17-Year-Old Sexual Assault Victim, Ruined Attacker's Life Says His Lawyer

reply to post by Yeats

"Sexual and non-consensual"..... Yeah that is rape.

That's how I see it. That's what I was alluding to. I don't know how the Law breaks it down, but those are the conditions I use to call it rape.

The boys ADMITTED to FELONY sexual abuse.

They can die in a fire for all I care. I hope she gets a medal.

reply to post by freakjive


Sounds like underage drunken stupidity to me. I'd hardly call the boys "predators" .. so ridiculous. She accused them of something they were never even charged with that in effect altered their quality of life. I'd say that indeed deserve legal retribution against the young woman.

reply to post by Rockpuck


They were charged with sexually abusing her while she was unconscious...

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


They were charged for taking a picture of her passed out on the floor, where they had physical contact and some body part was exposed. I've done some stupid crap drunk before, and I've seen people do some incredibly stupid things drunk before. That happens when you get so drunk you pass out. If they are to blame for their drunken stupidity .... so is she imo. Especially since nothing actually happened yet she went to the police anyways. Sorry, I call it like I see it and feel no pity for her.

What a bunch of BS. Some underage chick gets drunk at a party, passes out, a couple other drunk teens feel her up a bit and take a picture. That's hardly something to get your panties in a bunch for. If you don't want to get felt up by your peers, don't get drunk at parties and pass out. They didn't rape her.

That said, they should just own up to what they did and not let it destroy their lives. Sounds like a bunch of 'woe is me' emo s***.

Some posters in this thread seem to think the girl is also at fault. I'm sorry but I didn't realise we chose whether to pass out or not from alcohol, and telling people not to drink so much then is nonsense. I drank 4 cans of lager last week and spent the night throwing up, totally uncharacteristic for me; yesterday I drank 5 pints and now I'm up typing this before I go to work feeling fine.

She was passed out and gave them no permission to do what they did, being drunk is NO excuse. If this can be excused because the guys were drunk then so can any other drunk crime. They had enough of their wits about them to carry out the act and operate a phone to take pictures so they knew what they were doing.

They deserve to be outed and hey, she would have no crime to embellish if they hadn't committed a crime in the first place.

Originally posted by poet1b
How is a gag order constitutional?

Gag order is NOT constitutional. A constitution is set up by governments to have a common set of guidelines for people to follow. They are also amended from time to time as required by public demand.

That said, following a gag order really takes away your rights and freedoms to be heard and listened to. A gag is a device used to make you to keep you shut up. It is like putting a muzzle on a dog who only really wants to be heard. By shutting them up, they can't be heard. Hence, your freedom to be heard is suffocated and you are left powerless.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
They were charged for taking a picture of her passed out on the floor, where they had physical contact and some body part was exposed.

They admitted guilt and were charged with first degree sexual assault.

I must of missed this. Can you link where it shows evidence it was just "physical contact and some body part was exposed"? Did you see the footage also? Apparently I missed quite a bit.

I've done some stupid crap drunk before, and I've seen people do some incredibly stupid things drunk before.

Okay...

That happens when you get so drunk you pass out.

And if sexual assault happened to passed out people at the parties you were at I hope you did the right thing and reported it.

If they are to blame for their drunken stupidity .... so is she imo.

"drunken stupidity" really? That's the extent of how you would view sexually assaulting an unconscious person? Well not everyone has the same moral understanding I suppose.

Especially since nothing actually happened

Elaborate.

yet she went to the police anyways.

And subsequently they admitted guilt and were charged.

Sorry, I call it like I see it and feel no pity for her.

I will call it like I see it as well. I don't think you are 'feeling' at all.

Originally posted by StevenDye
Some posters in this thread seem to think the girl is also at fault. I'm sorry but I didn't realise we chose whether to pass out or not from alcohol, and telling people not to drink so much then is nonsense. I drank 4 cans of lager last week and spent the night throwing up, totally uncharacteristic for me; yesterday I drank 5 pints and now I'm up typing this before I go to work feeling fine.

She was passed out and gave them no permission to do what they did, being drunk is NO excuse. If this can be excused because the guys were drunk then so can any other drunk crime. They had enough of their wits about them to carry out the act and operate a phone to take pictures so they knew what they were doing.

They deserve to be outed and hey, she would have no crime to embellish if they hadn't committed a crime in the first place.

The thing is, calling these kids rapists is just a little bit near sighted. They're hanging out at a party. This hot chick is drunkenly stumbling about, and eventually passes out. People are probably groping her all night and she's giggling like the dumb# she is. Then as soon as she's passed out and someone gropes her.....Oh Hell No!!! RAPE!!!! Sometimes people just need to shut the # up and realize that she put herself in the situation, and she got her tits massaged while she was sleeping. Who cares? If I'm passed out and someone touches my weener, I'm not gonna press charges and talk about it on Twitter.

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant
If the girl is lying, or even exaggerating, she should be forced to pay serious money to this guy.
Unfortunate drunk behavior generally takes 2 to tango.
If a slut regrets being a slut, its not the guy's fault.
The twisted culture of no personal responsibility and celebration of victimhood strikes again.

I see you subscribe to the Congressman Akin School of Thought. She drank with boys, therefore if they molested her it was because she wanted it, huh?

Damn neanderthal.

Originally posted by StevenDye
Some posters in this thread seem to think the girl is also at fault. I'm sorry but I didn't realise we chose whether to pass out or not from alcohol, and telling people not to drink so much then is nonsense. I drank 4 cans of lager last week and spent the night throwing up, totally uncharacteristic for me; yesterday I drank 5 pints and now I'm up typing this before I go to work feeling fine.

She was passed out and gave them no permission to do what they did, being drunk is NO excuse. If this can be excused because the guys were drunk then so can any other drunk crime. They had enough of their wits about them to carry out the act and operate a phone to take pictures so they knew what they were doing.

They deserve to be outed and hey, she would have no crime to embellish if they hadn't committed a crime in the first place.

Yes, it is incredible isn't it, especially in light of the major dust up about "legitimate" rape. I guess we can count a number of ATSers who believe rape is not rape and fully support the idea that women "ask for it" if they drink, party, wear skirts and otherwise do not confine themselves to the church pew or the kitchen.

Originally posted by MisterFister103
This hot chick is drunkenly stumbling about, and eventually passes out. People are probably groping her all night and she's giggling like the dumb# she is.

Wow you were at the party??

"like the dumb #&$^ she is".... amazing how well you know the events of the night and what kind of person she is.

Then as soon as she's passed out and someone gropes her.....Oh Hell No!!! RAPE!!!!

Yeah really. Who cares it was non-consensual. Who cares she was unconscious. They didn't penetrate her so it's all good.

Sometimes people just need to shut the # up and realize that she put herself in the situation

And sometimes people need to realize victims are sometimes really victims.

I suppose she wear provocative clothing and was asking for it eh?

and she got her tits massaged while she was sleeping. Who cares?

Fortunately enough people.

Also did you see the footage like Rockpuck, or were you at the party? How do you know all this?

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by MisterFister103
This hot chick is drunkenly stumbling about, and eventually passes out. People are probably groping her all night and she's giggling like the dumb# she is.

Wow you were at the party??

"like the dumb #&$^ she is".... amazing how well you know the events of the night and what kind of person she is.

Then as soon as she's passed out and someone gropes her.....Oh Hell No!!! RAPE!!!!

Yeah really. Who cares it was non-consensual. Who cares she was unconscious. They didn't penetrate her so it's all good.

Sometimes people just need to shut the # up and realize that she put herself in the situation

And sometimes people need to realize victims are sometimes really victims.

I suppose she wear provocative clothing and was asking for it eh?

and she got her tits massaged while she was sleeping. Who cares?

Fortunately enough people.

Also did you see the footage like Rockpuck, or were you at the party? How do you know all this?

I read the article. She was an underage chick, drinking at a party. I know how girls are at parties. Clearly you feel different. She was probably just there to dance right?

Are you saying they should really be prosecuted as rapists for feeling a drunk chick up when they were teens? That's why there's so many freakin' sexual predators.....some stupid crap happens and the chick cries about rape. I honestly think they get off on it.

Originally posted by MisterFister103
I read the article. She was an underage chick, drinking at a party.

That's all you read in the article the rest of what you're saying is completely made up.

I know how girls are at parties. Clearly you feel different. She was probably just there to dance right?

You don't know. That's asinine to say you know how all women act at parties. You know everything about all women do you? Ego much.

How I feel differently than you is not wanting to pretend I know anything beyond what we actually know.

Are you saying they should really be prosecuted as rapists for feeling a drunk chick up when they were teens?

She was unconscious.

And I don't care about the teens part.

She was sexually assaulted while she was unconscious and then they took photos/videos (technical child porn) of her... Yeah I think the penalty should be more severe than the slap on the wrist they got.

Based on your post and some of the other members it seems they shouldn't have been punished at all.

Originally posted by MisterFister103

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by MisterFister103
This hot chick is drunkenly stumbling about, and eventually passes out. People are probably groping her all night and she's giggling like the dumb# she is.

Wow you were at the party??

"like the dumb #&$^ she is".... amazing how well you know the events of the night and what kind of person she is.

Then as soon as she's passed out and someone gropes her.....Oh Hell No!!! RAPE!!!!

Yeah really. Who cares it was non-consensual. Who cares she was unconscious. They didn't penetrate her so it's all good.

Sometimes people just need to shut the # up and realize that she put herself in the situation

And sometimes people need to realize victims are sometimes really victims.

I suppose she wear provocative clothing and was asking for it eh?

and she got her tits massaged while she was sleeping. Who cares?

Fortunately enough people.

Also did you see the footage like Rockpuck, or were you at the party? How do you know all this?

I read the article. She was an underage chick, drinking at a party. I know how girls are at parties. Clearly you feel different. She was probably just there to dance right?

Are you saying they should really be prosecuted as rapists for feeling a drunk chick up when they were teens? That's why there's so many freakin' sexual predators.....some stupid crap happens and the chick cries about rape. I honestly think they get off on it.

You know how girls are at parties? I remember underage drinking at parties. Some people got sick, some were fine. Some I had to pick up to put to bed, and choke down my own bile, as they puked on me.

Never at any party that I have been at, was there a disregard for humanity as was explained in the article.

"Sexual and non-consensual"..... Yeah that is rape.

Nope, rape requires penetration, or something. It is a sexual assault.

"He has lost all the potential that was there. He was attending high school and was kicked out. He was on course to a scholarship to an Ivy League school to play sports and that may be jeopardized"

Ivy League schools don't give out scholarships for sports... gonna need a better argument than that.

reply to post by Rockpuck

That happens when you get so drunk you pass out. If they are to blame for their drunken stupidity .... so is she imo.

Wow... That's quite a thing to say. So...if I get drunk and pass out at a party, I should expect to be abused and sexually assaulted? I'm a man of course, so maybe it's some other creative means of violating my person I should expect to have happen?

I miss entirely how the victim can be blamed for a sexual assault she wasn't even conscious to know was happening. First someone early on the thread gives that '2 to tango' nonsense ...and that ended when the fact she wasn't even conscious was highlighted...but now we're to expect such a thing to happen to us if we pass out at a party...among friends we THOUGHT we could trust?

What scares me ....really bothers me...is that sort of feeling suggests that you might not intervene to stop this sort of thing happening if you say it at a party you were at.

I don't know..maybe it's just me...but there'd be a physical fight and people..myself included perhaps....going out of that place bloody and hurting before I'd tolerate seeing anything like this happen in front of me. Absolutely no way should the 'peer pressure' have allowed this.

I think the group mentality that permitted it is actually as bad in the story as the actual crime. Her violation came on multiple levels......and they could only charge and prosecute the direct participants.

I just want to throw this out there, I know of girls that have gotten drunk at parties and slept with guys, all consensual. The next day the girl(s) realize that they had just banged "troll boy" and are ashamed so they cry rape. I'm not saying that this is what happened in this case but it should be considered, for sake of discussion.