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Originally posted by ladyteeny
can i ask advice for those of you that have been in this (insidious) organisation?
my son got together with a girl that had been raised JW. she wasn't a practising JW. her and my son split up a year after having a child together. for that year, and the following 3.5 years i became friends with that girl and my granddaughter, them staying with me many times and my granddaughter and i developing a close bond.
then she told me that she was going to be attending meetings as per her mothers request but that she'd not been baptized yet. i've not seen my granddaughter since (was seeing her 5/6 times a year before that, for 3/4/5 days at a time). i suspect very much that it's a direct result of her attending meetings as prior to that we had a very good friendship.
i gather they're told to reject their family/friends, this certainly seems to be the case. does anybody know if there's anything i can do to regain visits with my granddaughter? any elders i can appeal to? anything?
i'd be very grateful for some advice even though i suspect that without any good reason i won't be seeing my granddaughter for a very long time.
Originally posted by ladyteeny
Originally posted by wigit
reply to post by ladyteeny
Your son can't sort things out? Surely he sees his daughter?
Whatever the case, I hope it's sorted and you can reunite with your grand-daughter.
nope, when the little one was 1 year old, my son wasn't the most reliable of people (at age 19) so JWmother decided he wasn't desired in her life. a few years later he's grown up significantly, and wants to take responsibility for her, so he's currently trying to get access to his daughter through the courts as his daughters mother won't let him see her.
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by ladyteeny
Originally posted by wigit
reply to post by ladyteeny
Your son can't sort things out? Surely he sees his daughter?
Whatever the case, I hope it's sorted and you can reunite with your grand-daughter.
nope, when the little one was 1 year old, my son wasn't the most reliable of people (at age 19) so JWmother decided he wasn't desired in her life. a few years later he's grown up significantly, and wants to take responsibility for her, so he's currently trying to get access to his daughter through the courts as his daughters mother won't let him see her.
This may be a little off topic, but so far the mods have allowed this thread to evolve so I would like to add this:
If your son proves through the courts that he is no danger to the child and has the capability of providing support then there is no reason that he will not be granted shared custody or visitation. Then you can spend time with your grandchild. The mother though has every right to decide who her child spends time with, regardless of her religious views. If your son was irresponsible or unreliable as you put it, she may have legitimate concerns that your association with her child may produce similar negative results. She may be completely wrong but that is her right as a parent and that has nothing to do with religion.
I refuse to let my kids spend any unsupervised time with my wife's parents. I don't like them and think that they are not nice people. If they don't like it, that's too bad for them. They did a horrible job raising their own kids and I am not about to let them have any influence on mine. My decision has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with what I think is best for my children and my own peace of mind.
Originally posted by Char-Lee
I can't understand everyone's constant beef with these people as they are nearly the only ones doing exactly what their bible say to do!
Originally posted by whereislogic
Originally posted by Char-Lee
I can't understand everyone's constant beef with these people as they are nearly the only ones doing exactly what their bible say to do!
What's so hard to understand? Is it because you do not believe the bible speaks the truth or that no one ever pointed out these verses to you?
1 John 3:13:
Do not marvel, brothers, that the world hates YOU.
**and**
John 15:18, 19:
18If the world hates YOU, YOU know that it has hated me before it hated YOU.19If YOU were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because YOU are no part of the world, but I have chosen YOU out of the world, on this account the world hates YOU.
**and**
2 Tim 3:12, 13:
12In fact, all those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted.13But wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled.
**that's enough for now, you can find the rest yourself, but really, nothing will come as a suprise to you with a proper education**
Originally posted by paleorchid13
Seriously? These people are just down right rude. I'm very territorial and you don't just come ..uninvited to my property in the first place ...but then to come and intrude on my turf to push your religious beliefs down my throat?
These people need to learn their boundaries.
Originally posted by Northwarden
And you need to learn some civility or move to an island!
Originally posted by ManOfHart
Should I be scared?
"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati to enslave and brainwash society. In essence, religion was the first form of mind control. The indoctrination of the masses by a "Trojan Horse" false religion has allowed the Illuminati to take control and work in secret for many, many years."
All false religions are illuminati created
THE WATCHTOWER & THE ILLUMINATI
In fact, two J.W.s who had actually been in the Illuminati while J.W.s but had broken free, confronted the Governing Body and headquarters with their evidence of the Illuminati operating within the membership of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The actions of the Governing Body in squelching any serious action against the high level Satanism secretly operating within the Jehovah’s Witnesses shows what my Be Wise A Serpents book revealed, which is that very secret high level Satanism has long been controlling the Watchtower Society. One of these 2 eyewitnesses to Illuminati activities within the higher levels of the Watchtower Society realized that something is seriously wrong at the top, when the WF leaders do not really care for those people in the congregations who are becoming the victims of SRA. One elder in good standing lost his position because be warned the WT Society of satanic infiltration.
· The rank and file JWs have no awareness that the WT Society has a secret upper level of involvement. (Note, I identified this upper level in my chart explaining how religions are controlled by Satanism.)
· The Illuminati within the Jehovah’s Witnesses have a hidden agenda that is separate from the published goals of the WT Society, although they also support many of the goals of the Society.
Source
Rothschilds funded the Jehovah's Witness'
The Rothschilds had long had a plan to create a religion of their own for the Illuminati in Palestine... One, Charles Taze Russell, of the Illuminati Russell bloodline (the Russell's were one of the creators of the Illuminati's second chapter, Skull&Bones at Yale University) was the man who founded the Watchtower Society, also known as the Jehovah's Witnesses.
He was a Satanist, a pedophile according to his wife, a friend of Rothschilds, and most certainly Illuminati. Historian, David Icke states, "...it was the Rothschilds who funded the Jehovah's Witness operation into being, along with other Illuminati bankers (ie, Kuhn, Loeb, and Co.), through "contributions" by organizations like the Rothschild-controlled B'nai B'rith. This was proved in a court of law in 1922.
One of the key people involved in this was Frank Goldman who later became President of B'nai B'rith. Why would an organization set up (in theory) to help Jewish people and promote the Jewish faith, be funding into existence the Jehovah's Witnesses?? I think the name Rothschild answers the question. Russell was also a high degree Freemason and Knights Templar. He promoted Zionism, another Rothschild creation, on behalf of his friends and backers."
Rothschilds, Rockefeller & the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons
Originally posted by ManOfHart
Hello ATS members.
I have recently had a visit by two Jehovah's Witnesses at my door.
I need some thoughts on this.