The James Holmes Conspiracy (2012 Full Documentary)

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Originally posted by Taggart How would he know which screen was showing the movie, Maybe it is different over there but would he know specifically it would be screen 9. (I know he could possibly have asked on purchase fo the ticket)
He would also need to know which door at the back of the cinema was screen 9 to park in the nearest spot to the door.

Thank you. According to the police, he purchased his ticket that night, immediately before the film. He did not buy it in advance. As such, he wouldn't have any way of knowing which theater he would be in. And yet he is parked immediately outside of that particular exit. Now, i can possibly see that as a coincidence. It surely isn't the biggest piece of evidence or anything. But on top of all of the other discrepancies in the story, it seems pretty damn odd.

And seeing as how his car was right outside of that exit, and he was supposedly standing next to his car when he was arrested (within 90 seconds of the 911 call), why is his gas mask so far away? It was lying on the corner, far past the car when leaving that theater. And there was also a large amount of blood where the gas mask was found. That has not been accounted for.

Originally posted by SomeRawInfo
reply to post by Starchildren

 

Sometimes i wonder why everything has to be so corrupt, power corrupts more than any other type of brain washing quite evidently

As horrible as the whole thing is, it is even more so that we are all totally mind controlled by big corporations. At this point very few even see it.

We would willing walk around in a shoe that hurts all day, and paint ourselves in the strangest colors or make our heads look like melons, all to conform and buy the latest. Whatever we are told to do most just obey, they label it style and fashion and use TV and actors but it is a couscous control mechanism!

People believe they are choosing so many things in their lives and they are no longer choosing much of anything. It is a HUGE thing and no one sees it.

I enjoyed the documentary. It seems to be a good eye opener and I hope more people see it.

I can't stop thinking about this. So now that everything is sealed? What happens now? Does it all just go away?

Originally posted by Malynn
I can't stop thinking about this. So now that everything is sealed? What happens now? Does it all just go away?

Basically, everything we hear about the case from this point forward will consist solely of what they choose to leak to the media. Nothing more, nothing less. They could, for all intents and purposes, make up whatever the hell they wanted to at this point. There's nothing anybody could do about it. How can anybody disprove any future statements they make when nobody is even allowed to see any of the evidence?
In addition, all of Holmes' former employers, professors, colleges, etc., are legally restricted from making any comment upon him or the case.
You'll have the random leak here and there, like the guard who came out and stated that the police/media statements about Holmes spitting on guards, claiming to be the Joker, and being confrontational while in custody were completely false. Those random leaks, however, are about the best we can hope for at this point.

I will admit that i haven't read through this thread in its entirety, so i'm not certain what has already been stated. There are still quite a few other discrepancies between the actual evidence and the official statements about the case that i have not touched upon yet. I will read through the thread more closely tonight, and post any such discrepancies/holes that have not been pointed out already. If there are any, of course.

As regards the evidence being sealed and media leaks....

Holmes supposed confession that they say he mailed to his college? Well, despite the fact that they say he mailed it weeks in advance of the shooting, they didn't happen to find out about it until well after the evidence was sealed. So they can't actually show it to you. Nobody, aside from the police supposedly, has seen it. You just have to take their word for it. Cool?
More recently, an "anonymous police source" told the media that they have evidence that Holmes bought multiple weapons from a Cabella's in the weeks prior to the shooting. They would totally show you the evidence, but you know...that damn pesky court order sealing the evidence! Bummer, huh? So, just take their word for it.

Funny how that works out.

Originally posted by xerrnoip

Originally posted by Ook33
I don't know if anybody saw this before, so I'll put it here, as I just realized it :
on one of Holmes photographs that were present on his adultfriendfinder account, you can clearly see, on the wall behind him, the zombie poster that was in his apartment when the FBI raided it.

The adultfriendfinder photograph ;

know people were trying to figure out what "really red AOA" meant. someone found a punk band named really red en.wikipedia.org... coincidentally under CIA records. still didn't figure out what AOA means.

When I read this little inscription at the top of the photo, I too believed the last word was AOA. But if you look closely, you'll see that the middle letter is not an O, but an E, and looks exactly like the "e" from the words "really" and "red". The last word is "HEH", not "AOA", and the meaning of "heh" is pretty clear, just an onomatopoeia.

Originally posted by Maroboduus
Even with all of that being said, it's not even touching upon the fact that no surveillance video has been released, despite the fact that there is a camera directly facing that exit. Or the fact that there is blood at the corner near the gas mask that hasn't been accounted for. Or that numerous witnesses saw more than one shooter. Or the fact that police immediately declared that Holmes acted alone, without having nearly enough time to actually mount any sort of investigation. Seems like the sort of thing you would want to investigate.

A couple of people that live near the theater have said they looked and there are no cameras in the back exit where the car was parked. found posts here, by essohkay

I didn’t look closely at the front of the building for cameras . I mainly drove down the length of the back of the theater on Sable. What is identified as cameras in the images posted on this site are actually the rain collectors on the roof of the building – the top of the downspouts.

and this video under user Digital Treason.

So now the only hope for surveillance is by the ticket booths... So the whole theory that another person took the gas mask off under the camera should be scratched off. Assuming those people are being honest and not trolling there are no cameras in that area of the parking lot.

At the beginning of the movie it states something to the effect of...

" some say, this is the worst mass murder in the united states"

No it's not....

911 was...by our own men!

Originally posted by Maroboduus
As regards the evidence being sealed and media leaks....

Holmes supposed confession that they say he mailed to his college? Well, despite the fact that they say he mailed it weeks in advance of the shooting, they didn't happen to find out about it until well after the evidence was sealed. So they can't actually show it to you. Nobody, aside from the police supposedly, has seen it. You just have to take their word for it. Cool?

I think Holmes saying "my apartment is rigged with explosives" is basically the confession that he is guilty? Since we don't know the exact wording and if a cop car was recording it (I think all cop cars have a radio recording?) at the time of arrest... "my apartment" vs. "I rigged my apartment with booby traps" ...."my apartment" could mean someone else set them and he's warning them.

the notebook isn't really a good confession. It seems pretty easy to draw the stuff up, put the school's address and put anyone's address in the return address. A couple of cops told me paper doesn't really pick up finger prints and handwriting analysis isn't enough to prove someone is guilty. Same with emails, phone calls and things done online, it could be done by someone else. it's not uncommon that innocent people have been set up before to have murders or robberies pointed to them.

At this point if he still doesn't remember or know why he is in jail then he doesn't remember the rigged apartment or the drawings, so he's not confessing them anymore. They can be saying the notebook is his and he might just be confused and think "hmm, they say it's mine, it must be mine"

since his options are death penalty or insanity plea/life in prison I think that means he's already been convicted of being guilty. I don't think any physical or forensic evidence was collected from the crime scene or the apartment since the cops say they have the killer, there was only 1, no need to search more. which I know to us that are questioning this case it doesn't seem fair considering the lack of witnesses that can ID him and no surveillance footage being shown. serial killers have better investigating to prove they are guilty.

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Oh, your Gillian Anderson avatar disrupts my thoughts every time you post.

Originally posted by Maroboduus
reply to post by Taggart

 

Originally posted by Taggart How would he know which screen was showing the movie, Maybe it is different over there but would he know specifically it would be screen 9. (I know he could possibly have asked on purchase fo the ticket)
He would also need to know which door at the back of the cinema was screen 9 to park in the nearest spot to the door.

Thank you. According to the police, he purchased his ticket that night, immediately before the film. He did not buy it in advance. As such, he wouldn't have any way of knowing which theater he would be in. And yet he is parked immediately outside of that particular exit. Now, i can possibly see that as a coincidence. It surely isn't the biggest piece of evidence or anything. But on top of all of the other discrepancies in the story, it seems pretty damn odd.

And seeing as how his car was right outside of that exit, and he was supposedly standing next to his car when he was arrested (within 90 seconds of the 911 call), why is his gas mask so far away? It was lying on the corner, far past the car when leaving that theater. And there was also a large amount of blood where the gas mask was found. That has not been accounted for.

edit on 22-8-2012 by Maroboduus because: added quote

Good, God, back to what I was talking about in my earlier post. Group think, with no thinking involved.

You do know it's possible that he checked things out ahead of time. Called to ask, etc. It's really not that difficult to see these things I have mentioned...unless ou want to go along with the crowd and find things that aren't there.

Originally posted by Char-Lee

Originally posted by SomeRawInfo
reply to post by Starchildren

 

Sometimes i wonder why everything has to be so corrupt, power corrupts more than any other type of brain washing quite evidently

As horrible as the whole thing is, it is even more so that we are all totally mind controlled by big corporations. At this point very few even see it.

We would willing to walk around in a shoe that hurts all day, and paint ourselves in the strangest colors or make our heads look like melons, all to conform and buy the latest. Whatever we are told to do most just obey, they label it style and fashion and use TV and actors but it is a conscious control mechanism!

If a large pink butcher knife was the LATEST toy most would buy the thing for their kids because "well every other kid is getting one". the commercial would tell them and they would obey!

People believe they are choosing so many things in their lives and they are no longer choosing much of anything. It is a HUGE thing and no one sees it.

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No kidding, it's possible to check things out in advance.
Except according to the cops themselves, he did not do so. According to the police themselves, he walked in and bought a ticket that night, shortly before the movie started. The movie was playing on multiple theaters, he did not order his ticket in advance, and thus had no way of knowing which theater he would be in PRIOR to buying the ticket. Combine that with the fact that all of the witnesses say the parking lot was basically full when they arrived before the movie, and thus it would be pretty damn hard to buy your ticket and THEN move your car to the space immediately outside of the theater you would be in.

But that is a VERY minor aspect of this case. In and of itself, i would think absolutely nothing of it. It's only in combination with all of the other discrepancies in the official story that it begins to seem important. It just sort of adds fuel to the fire.
I don't really consider it to be an important aspect, so much as an additional detail that doesn't quite add up.

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That's interesting. The Washington Post initially said that it WAS a camera, and i assumed that they had actually bothered to check before saying so. But it certainly wouldn't be the first time they were wrong about something, i'm sure.

In any case, i'm still waiting for a logical explanation for the gas mask being found so far away from Holmes, his car, and the theater exit.

Originally posted by Maroboduus
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No kidding, it's possible to check things out in advance.
Except according to the cops themselves, he did not do so. According to the police themselves, he walked in and bought a ticket that night, shortly before the movie started. The movie was playing on multiple theaters, he did not order his ticket in advance, and thus had no way of knowing which theater he would be in PRIOR to buying the ticket. Combine that with the fact that all of the witnesses say the parking lot was basically full when they arrived before the movie, and thus it would be pretty damn hard to buy your ticket and THEN move your car to the space immediately outside of the theater you would be in.

But that is a VERY minor aspect of this case. In and of itself, i would think absolutely nothing of it. It's only in combination with all of the other discrepancies in the official story that it begins to seem important. It just sort of adds fuel to the fire.
I don't really consider it to be an important aspect, so much as an additional detail that doesn't quite add up.

edit on 23-8-2012 by Maroboduus because: (no reason given)

Interesting. You went to all that trouble to get that info but chose to shut your brain off and not actually think about the points I made and how your response refutes none of it.

People keep proving my main point correct.

I truly don't understand how people don't have a problem with the following fact, regardless of their opinion on everything else:

Within hours, at most, the case was basically closed. They said he did it, he acted alone, and that was that. Case closed.
Even if Holmes was the only shooter, what f'ing police force closes case and ends the investigation within a few hours of such a horrific crime? How can they definitively say that he acted alone without the benefit of ANY sort of investigation???? This was a horrific incident; don't you think they should actually bother to INVESTIGATE everything before closing the case and saying he was a lone gunman? At least explore the opportunity that he didn't act alone? Because they sure as hell didn't have enough time to do so before saying definitively that he acted alone. That is, at best, TERRIBLE and wholly incompetent police work. In no way does it even approach being an acceptable investigation.

And the stuff about the confessions is basically moot, since all of the evidence is sealed and we will never see or hear them.
Why is it sealed, by the way? Why would the evidence being released be "contrary to public interest?" Anybody care to eplain that? As someone with a pretty thorough knowledge of the legal system, i can assure you that is NOT normal procedure. If he was truly a lone psycho and there is nothing more to it, why is it contrary to public interest for the public to see the evidence?

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What points? Please point me in their direction, as i don't feel like treading through every single thread about this case to find them.

Also, it would be nice if you didn't attempt to talk down to me as if i'm an idiot. Assuming that you're somehow more intelligent than everybody else on the internet is generally a poor strategy.

Allow me to reiterate, yet again, that i am in no way claiming this was an inside job or a grand government conspiracy to take away our guns or anything of that nature. I am simply saying that the official version of events does not match the actual evidence. Why that is, i have no idea. I'm not going to make assumptions. But the facts do not match the police statements about what transpired. There is something we are not being told. I have no idea as to what the reasons for that may be.

I heard on the news this morning this case will not go to court for at least a year. Why so long if they are saying it's pretty much a lone gunman cut and dried case?