Muslim Brotherhood Starts Crucifixions. Is The U.S. Headed For Sharia Law?

reply to post by ollncasino

Look, I don't know if the Egyptian crucifixions took place or not. Neither do you.

You're right. So why are we not addressing that issue first and foremost. That is the topic of the thread.

Is this really about truth...or is this about pushing an agenda so that weak-willed pansies get all scared because them scary Islamacists may come get them?

I do know however that Over 3000 Muslims Attacked Christian Homes and Shops in Egypt.

Thousands of people rioted, looted and attacked people in the streets of LA after the Rodney King verdict.

If we are to follow your logic, we should identify the religion/ideology of these people, and use that as justification to demonize their religion/ideology.

It makes no damn sense!

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Thousands of people rioted, looted and attacked people in the streets of LA after the Rodney King verdict.

So your argument is that Christians in Egypt have no business complaining about being persecuted because people rioted, looted and attacked people in the streets of LA after the Rodney King verdict?

Wow. Your logic is very special.

reply to post by ollncasino


No what I'm saying is that you are very selective in how you apply your outrage.

Good job in trying to assert a false correlation I did not in no way imply.

I caught that, and it was weak at best. But what can be expected when one completely cannot defend their position with logic and fact?

They must deflect and divert attention.......

you have to do better then that.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

If we are to follow your logic, we should identify the religion/ideology of these people, and use that as justification to demonize their religion/ideology.

According to the Koran and Hadith, Muhammad

• Pronounced death for leaving Islam, Sahih Bukhari Book 1, Vol 24, Verse 24

• Told followers that Jihad was the second highest thing after believing in Allah, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 25

• Stated he would fight until everyone admitted their was only one god, Allah, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 24

• Burnt people for not praying Sahih Bukhari Book 1, Vol 11, Verse 626

• Forced non Muslims to be humbled, submit to Islam and pay jizyah tax.Koran Book 9 Verse 29

If Muhammad told his followers to engage in Jihad, to fight until everyone admitted there was only one god, burnt people for not praying and forced non-Muslims to submit and pay pay jizyah tax, in what sense is Islam a religion of peace?

• Pronounced death for leaving Islam, Sahih Bukhari Book 1, Vol 24, Verse 24

I just looked at your link , cant find that anywhere?are the numbers right?



There are lots of christian hyms mentioning going to christian war as well, could that be seen as jihad , or could jihad be seen as a spiritual war? not a physical war? just like in the hymn "Onward christian soldiers, Marching AS to war" ? for example

"Volume 1, Book 2, Number 11:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

A man asked the Prophet , "What sort of deeds or (what qualities of) Islam are good?" The Prophet replied, 'To feed (the poor) and greet those whom you know and those whom you do not Know (See Hadith No. 27).

you see it does not mention that the poor or those you know have to be muslim, they could be any religion ,the act of kindness is still appreciated in islam....


"Sahih International
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

see does it mean fight them physically or mentally, or with words?????

Originally posted by gambon
• Pronounced death for leaving Islam, Sahih Bukhari Book 1, Vol 24, Verse 24

I just looked at your link , cant find that anywhere?are the numbers right?

Thanks for that. Here is another link.

University of Southern California

Originally posted by gambon
There are lots of christian hyms mentioning going to christian war as well, could that be seen as jihad , or could jihad be seen as a spiritual war? not a physical war? just like in the hymn "Onward christian soldiers, Marching AS to war" ? for example

Yet Jesus, unlike Muhammad was not a violent warlord who spread Islam by the sword. Nor, unlike Muhammad, did he tell his followers to spread Islam by violence.

Here is a partial list of Muhammad's Jihads

He personally took part in about 28 violent jihads and was involved in planning about 80 in total.

570 - Born in Mecca
623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans
624 - Battle of Badr (victory)
624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina
624 - Orders the assassination of Abu Afak
624 - Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan
624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf
625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat)
625 - Evicts Nadir Jews
627 - Battle of the Trench (victory)
627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews
628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews
629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat)
630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes)
631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle)
632 - Dies.

Originally posted by gambon
"Volume 1, Book 2, Number 11:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

"Sahih International
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

see does it mean fight them physically or mentally, or with words?????

Koran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Koran

The context of Sura 9 (warfare, alliances, treaties and the slaying of pagans) makes it clear that the word fight does indeed means fight, not convince with words.

Sura 9

Interestingly violent Jihad makes up

• 24% of the Medinan Koran
• 21% of the Hadith and
• 67% of the Sira.

Center for the Study of Political Islam

reply to post by paxnatus


Having checked out your only source on this, I see that it is a conservative Christian blog.

So while the BBC is reporting on the possible alcohol restriction the Muslim Brotherhood might continue to run with after the holy month of Ramadan is over, they somehow missed the "crucifixions"?

I'm sorry, but this is complete BS. I don't trust the MSM any more than anyone else does here, but they have no reason to not report on something so massive. If this were a true story this would be ALL OVER the news from various nations, regardless of their stance and bias.

The most shocking thing here is that no one seems to doubt a story from a clearly religiously and politically biased source.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
What do we do? What is the great master plan to fight against this new invasion?

Stop massive immigration. It doesn't help anyone except a select few. Then weed out the bad ones already located within your borders leaving the good ones alone.

Why I am going to worry about Sharia Law when Biblical Law is all ready in effect in the United States? Church and State are suppose to be separate, yet we are denying gay people the right to marry based on bible and verses in Leviticus. Women are losing more and more rights everyday and it is not because of Sharia; it is because of the bible. The reasoning I keep hearing for taking away birth control is so often from the Catholic perspective that God will give you as many children has he/she wishes. Well Bah Humbug to that.

Churches and Christian businesses are treated completely different than non religious organizations. Why do Christian businesses not have to provide contraception coverage? Please don't give me any BS about oh well they shouldn't have to pay for it, well they don't that is why individuals pay premiums. Funny though how so few forget to ask about viagra (but that is another thread all together).

So no I am not worried about Sharia Law. I am terrified of the Christian bible and how so many are using it to take rights away from citizens while smiling and saying it is for their own good and safety.

reply to post by leelo


Lol, the difference between Christians and Muslims is the fact that Christians won't behead you. So yeah, whine a little about how "evil" Christianity is...

And last time I checked, any religious business/group is either tax exempt or have tax cuts. Christians, Buddhists and yes, even Mosques. So I don't really see what that has to do with anything except you trying to troll.

reply to post by paxnatus


I didn't want to quote the whole OP since it's fairly long, but near the beginning: "Does Obama not know this? This honestly scares me." - if its known out there on the internet, then yes, Obama knows what you read and more. There is no reason to be afraid based on what you read there. Even when appearances may seem to be one thing, remember, Diplomacy IS a game - a game we've been winning for decades and decades and decades.

I can tell by the ridiculous alarmist title to this thread that you are paranoid and fearful of Islamic extremists, but trust me, there's not some grand plan where some Oxycontin-fueled-fantasy Islamic extremist version of Obama and a group of terrorists suddenly overwhelms the U.S., where nazi Germany, Imperialist Japan, and the Soviet Union failed (against a US with a much smaller lead in military and economic power, I might add)

So calm down, and put your fears to rest.

Originally posted by buster2010
No the US isn't headed for Sharia law. The constitution stops anything like that from happening.

Like it stops us from invading countries without congressional approval...

...oh wait.


You know what would solve the whole thing in the ME? U.S. pulls out of the ME completely, no military presence, no food aid, no money...nothing. Then they all eat themselves. The end.

/TOA

Muslims have a VERY strong unity to one another. For instance, as a Jew, the other day at the mall, I made eye contact with a Muslim woman walking past me. She gave me the hated look that I'm use to by now and while following behind her, boastfully waved to all the Muslims that run the fake name-brand sunglasses booth, the discounted cologne/perfume booth, the "fake bling" booth, the cell phone accessory booth.. one after the other, parading in front of me the fact of their culture's strong and almost overpowering unity to one another, and what they've been planning for many decades now.

reply to post by ApokalypsisRising


What is interesting about this post is that you say you made eye contact with a Muslim woman who you say gave you a hated look. (Did you smile or just stare? Perhaps she simply misunderstood the reason for your eye contact?) She happened to be walking past a some shops and waved to people she new, probably a regular shopper even and somehow you feel personally slighted as if she was parading her culture before you? That is a lot of thought gone into very little.

I don't know about your country, but here in mine Muslims are friendly, courteous, get along quite happily with people of all nationalities and religious faiths and have no intention of forcing their personal beliefs on others. I do not doubt there are some bad apples, fanatics and fundies but you get those everywhere in all countries from all religious backgrounds. They get little attention as is their due. I think painting a whole culture and faith of millions of people with such a generic paint brush is quite ignorant.

reply to post by Auricom

Lol, the difference between Christians and Muslims is the fact that Christians won't behead you. So yeah, whine a little about how "evil" Christianity is...

You know...you're right. I have never heard of a Christian beheading someone.

But in history class I learned that predominately Christian, southern-Baptist folk liked to buy black people shipped in from Africa and used them as slaves. When these slaves would get out of line, or attempted to flee for a chance at freedom, it was very possible that they would end up at the end of a rope hanging from a tree.

Later down the road after the American government, founded on "Christian beliefs", decided to give black people equal rights...you could still find black folks with a rope around their neck, but this time it was behind their pickup truck.

So it seems to be a bit disingenuous to me that any religion make any claim that they are better than another. They all have blood on their hands!

But it wasn't religion that made these people violent. It was their choices as individuals. So let's stop blaming religion altogether.

reply to post by paxnatus


I have just 5 words for all this "Muslims crucifying Christians" mumbo jumbo that's making people poop their pants:

Pics or it didn't happen.

Where's the proof? During the massive protests that led to the deposing everyone and their grandmother had a phone with a camera on it, uploading pics and video in real time to the internet for the whole world to see...

Yet people are being crucified and not ONE picture??

Come on, seriously, think this through and stop knee-jerking at every story that pops up on the internet.

Originally posted by ideasarebulletproof
reply to post by paxnatus

 

I have just 5 words for all this "Muslims crucifying Christians" mumbo jumbo that's making people poop their pants:

Pics or it didn't happen.

Where's the proof? During the massive protests that led to the deposing everyone and their grandmother had a phone with a camera on it, uploading pics and video in real time to the internet for the whole world to see...

Yet people are being crucified and not ONE picture??

Come on, seriously, think this through and stop knee-jerking at every story that pops up on the internet.

THANK YOU.

As I said on the other thread about this, Egyptians can't get a tooth pulled without taking video and putting it on the internet. The reason there are no photos or video is because IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

WHAT DID HAPPEN is the owner of a private television network/talk show host showed the video that is linked to in the article (the beheading) and asked if that was what Egypt had to look forward to under MB rule. As a result, the MB shut down his television station and arrested him.

Nobody was crucified. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
You know...you're right. I have never heard of a Christian beheading someone.

But in history class I learned that predominately Christian, southern-Baptist folk liked to buy black people shipped in from Africa and used them as slaves.

Actually, the Muslims were bigger African slavers that the Christians and also continued enslaving people into the second half of the 20th century, so it would appear that your history class taught you less than you imagined. Slavery apparently still exists in the gulf states to this day.

(1) Scholars estimate that about 12,000,000 Africans were sold by Africans to Europeans… …and 17,000,000 were sold to Arabs.

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(2) The Muslim Barbary Corsairs, between the 16th & 19th centuries, enslaved between 1 million to 1.25 million Europeans by seizing them from as far away as Ireland & Iceland.

Link

(3) In Islamic countries, Dhimmis (non Muslims) who were unable to pay their Non-Muslim tax could be enslaved

Link

(4) At the borders of the Islamic Empire vast number of new slaves were castrated ready for sale (Islamic law did not allow mutilation of slaves, so it was done before they crossed the border). The majority of these slaves came from Europe and Africa.

Link

(5) Slavery was abolished in most Islamic countries, although it persisted in Saudi Arabia into the 1960's. Slavery was finally was made illegal in the Arabian Peninsula in 1962."

Slavery continues to this day in two, now Islamic, countries colonised by Islamic Arabs – Mauritania and Sudan (with an estimated 600,000 and 200,000 slaves respectively). As recently, as 1950, it is thought that 20% (450,000) of Saudi Arabia’s population was slaves. Slavery still continues in the Arab states of the Persian Gulf to this day.

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So while slavery was outlawed in the USA in 1865, it persisted in Saudi Arabia until 1962. Notwithstanding the fact that the Arabs were bigger slavers than the Europeans/Americans and that only the Arabs castrated males before importing slaves, slavery still exists in two Islamic countries today - Mauritania and Sudan (with an estimated 600,000 and 200,000 slaves respectively).

By the way, did they teach you in your history class that Muhammad had slaves?

According to the Hadith Muhammad was

• A slave owner and trader

• Captured slaves in battle.

• Had sex with his slaves.

• He (or rather Allah) instructed his men to do the same

The Koran demands 91 times that Muslims imitate Mohammed in every way.

Statistical Islam

By the way, I will provide links to the relevant hadith with pleasure if you wish.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

So it seems to be a bit disingenuous to me that any religion make any claim that they are better than another. They all have blood on their hands!

But it wasn't religion that made these people violent. It was their choices as individuals. So let's stop blaming religion altogether.

Yet Muhammad himself instructed Muslims to engage in violent jihad.

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 25

Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause is second only to believing in Allah apparently.

If Muhammad made it a religious duty for Muslims to engage in Jihad and Muslims do indeed engage in jihad in the name of Islam, then it is rather stretching credibility to suggest that religion has nothing to do with it!

Its like me telling my dog to bite you, my dog then bites you, but then I maintain that I have nothing to do with my dog biting you.

That would be rather unbelievable. Rather like your logic.

In fact, Ayatollah Khomeini (1902-1989) Iran’s Supreme Leader from 1979 to 1989 spelled it out in no uncertain terms

Muslims have a religious duty to spread Islam by the sword.

“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.

But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world….

Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says, kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!

...Whatever good there is, exists thanks to the sword, and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient, except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors!

...Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

—Ayatollah Khomeini (1902-1989) Iran’s Supreme Leader from 1979 to 1989—the highest ranking political and religious authority of the nation.

www.religioustolerance.org...

Ayatollah Khomeini thinks you are a witless, foolish soul and he wants to spit on you for thinking that Islam counsels against war and doesn't require able bodied Muslims to conquer so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.

I feel that he is being unduly harsh. You have just made the mistake of defending something you clearly don't understand.

Originally posted by paxnatus
reply to post by syrinx high priest

 

Yes, in Egypt. Please do not think this is about Obama supporting Muslims. This is about Obama supporting
the Muslim Brotherhood and their leader Mohamed Morsi whom is now in power in Egypt.

You mean Obama is planning on meeting with a democratically elected leader of another nation???


How shocking...unprecedented for a President.


/sarcasm