This is loved, for you. A way to source of many, to one way of all. One.

Opening your mind

How to see what is dark within...when light cannot reach inside, but must be invited. Love, the strength of the bond never ending. Perpetual and infinite....continuum of existence. To give all to all, or take from yourself only the one....only.

The limited and death worship. The ending time forever.

How to overcome it? How not to face it at all...?

To release from the chain the mind of necessity. To be free once again, and forever...

This is our legacy, it is the natural state we have been born to. That we have been stripped of. That we shall always see what we have not, and never know again that which we always ARE. That we are all. That all is because of us. Because we chose to be in all through and for all. That we must see that darkness does not exist in us, it has been forced upon our eyes. But our eyes exist only to see shadow. That our sight is only in light.

We must be as we are, truly. That we already are. We always disconnect form our source, like a river that always dries in its season. We are to be the source of the river, not the river that must become a delta and submit all to the seasons.

That the seasons have changed to our flow. The ebb is now ending and the flood gate is open, and free.

To lift our spirit on the high wind and soar again. That these broken wings be mended and our light become the sight. That our eyes must close and our shadow must fade into the darkness. That the darkness must fade as well and drown in the darkness it has created. That we shall forget it. That we shall remember all we are.

Not what we were, but what we shall become. always.

Ours is the night submitting to the dawn. That the dawn is triumphant and surrenders not.

Never the slave again. Forever free. Forever one undivided.

They that are many and numbered try to divide the infinite and endless, the innumerable. The jealousy blinds their error. That they wish to silence the very sound of creation. They would silence themselves. Not knowing their own truth within, being blind and looking for shadow.

We are as a sun expanding light to all in all directions. They are the collapsing, and the forgotten. Always they forget. Always they lose the power to love, because they seek power, not love.

The know the fear they believe and the insignificance of size.

I know the love that empowers. I know the importance of all size. I am forever in strength and love and remembered always, discovered as a precious jewel and held close to my heart. MY precious thing I adore and serve that I give to all.

They erase all creation the make and bask in destruction and oblivion. Like all they ever had. Gone.

I am the gift that is for all always, that is never lost or far. I am within. See me. I am your light.

I get a nice warm fuzzy from your post. Thx for sharing. You've got a way with words. Good to know there are people like you out there.

You might have a better shot at communicating if you use conventional English. I mean "the importance of all size"? You're going to need to work at it and actually, y'know, formulate sentences that convey meaning.

reply to post by Stunspot


free association is not structured and has no order for your trained mind to follow. What I would like to see is people looking beyond structure and extrapolate meaning. To convey transcendental thought and other concepts not rooted in logic and order we must be free of our preconceptions and expectations.

If I was to use only English sentence structure you might see one meaning but not the one I wish to convey. Either way, if you don't separate from the order you know you will never see the order we can see in chaos, or form any order from it in the real world.

Our language is limited, how would I type what I wish to show you if I was limited to a language rooted in traditional thought?

Loosen the noose that chokes your mind and free your breath from your logical suicide.
Breath life, live. Your mind is drowning in the world you submerse yourself in. Sink deeper into your mind and find your heart, or drown in the shallow depth that enslaves your imagination.

reply to post by BIHOTZ


Either you're trying to communicate something communicable or you are not. If it's communicable, then you can use language to communicate it. If it's not, you can use language to at least point the other person in right direction, ala Taoism. In neither case is unstructured language a useful tool for communication. As it stands, your words are like Burroughs' cut-up poetry or much of modern art: an attempt to 'inspire' an idea, emotion, or mental state in another without regard to what is actually inspired. "It's up to the observer to decide what it _means_, man!"

If you want to get an idea in someone else's head, this is absolutely, positively the WORST way to do it, unless, like the above, you don't actually _care_ what gets communicated.

If you're trying to understand something yourself, and you find such language smoothies to be helpful to you, then great, more power to you. But don't for a moment think you're doing anything other than linguistic masturbation if you're trying to use such to communicate.

You say I'm drowning in logic -- how would you know? Yes, I can speak precisely and accurately about things. I can use logic. That is not the only mode of though available to me. I can think poetically, mystically, symbolically, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But when I try to talk to other people about ideas? You can be damn sure I'm gonna take care with how I do it. And it seems like you don't. You say I should give up the chains that bind my mind -- I say it's the skeleton that provides structure. I can use logic -- can you?

No, that which you cannot speak of is that which you do not understand.

Who are you talking to stunspot? I love your understanding of love. You're so creative, so inspiring. Detest.
I would love the understanding of all size. Creation, the molecule. Splendid behavior in the acknowledgment of all. Moist, enthusiast,.. incredibly weakened. Drained to the root of society. Inspired by.. Drained, incredibly weakened. Moist? Wet. The unicorn!!

Clouds, yeah. Gimme those nails..

Pleasent preasent untill the end of the sentence. Core!

Originally posted by Stunspot
reply to post by BIHOTZ

 

No, that which you cannot speak of is that which you do not understand.

Some do not have the "ears" to hear, nor the "eyes" to read. They think it's your fault that your format is by design encrypted. Since they do not see nor hear, you must be crazy and they think they are the washed because of their ego. Thus the style of the encryption.

Originally posted by tkwasny
Some do not have the "ears" to hear, nor the "eyes" to read. They think it's your fault that your format is by design encrypted. Since they do not see nor hear, you must be crazy and they think they are the washed because of their ego. Thus the style of the encryption.

That is a cop out.

It is the ego that makes some people think that their precious truths must be falling on deaf ears if they are not understood, instead of accepting that their pretty words lack real meaning.

ETA: The kicker is that when someone asks for clarification they use the old cliche "either you get it or you don't" and don't even try to explain it. The only reason someone would be unable to share the decrypted message is because they are unable to decrypt it themselves or there is no message.

reply to post by Stunspot


whatever dude, you go to great lengths to make the point that you don't like it. I get it. Now_see_if_that_makes_you_smarter.

move on and mentally masturbate yourself instead of trying to shoot people down. Mr. master of linguistics.

what the hell bro. You want to be a critic, then help people get better at what they aspire to do. What you have done is just point out that my take on poetic license is not your own. Like anyone cares.

reply to post by daskakik


well if he wanted clarification on anything I would have provided it. There is real meaning to all this, I could type it all out in plain text, but

1. we would not exercise the part of our cognitive mind I wish to open up and expand on in myself or my reader.

2. we would lose interest quickly since we would not have anything relevant to our perception.

3. it translates badly. This way, it is universal. Go ahead and try it. Translate some of it and see if the occult meaning is still there intact. Does the sun not rise everywhere....then you can use it to describe a spirit ascending if the word "ascend" does not exist in the language you wish to translate it to. Their grammar will not be the same, I assure you. No need to assume anything.

If you assume because It is not in a direct format that it must be bunk..then you assume too much.

I am a student of occult symbolism and ultraist poetry. If you think it is empty, then don't even offer your criticism since you have nothing to correct.

If you want to be rude and exercise your ability to do so, then by all means. But not touch my stuff...make it personal and leave the work apart since it has little to do with your discontent.

P.S.
Have you ever read anything before or did you just learn today? If so, this style should not be new to you. Perhaps you can't fathom some grunt like me being able to think as a man of letters might.

reply to post by Stunspot


You are behaving like a selfish angry baby.

Do you think it would be appropriate for a child to demand that an adult whom is teaching them language to alter it because they cannot understand it?

reply to post by BIHOTZ


send positive energy if you are conversing with the mind as difficult that is to remember and implement.

ps. your OP was beautiful. thank you.

reply to post by BIHOTZ

My response was to tkwasny who seemed to be coping out for you and not the OP directly. It still looks like coping out to me.

If you assume because It is not in a direct format that it must be bunk..then you assume too much.

I'm not assuming anything. If the message is incomprehensible then it is ineffective, which means it may as well be bunk.

Have you ever read anything before or did you just learn today? If so, this style should not be new to you. Perhaps you can't fathom some grunt like me being able to think as a man of letters might.

No, the style is something I have seen before. It is pretty bad at getting real messages across and it leaves the person presenting the message a lot of room to wiggle out of honest questions.

reply to post by daskakik


yes you said that.....many times.....and ?

Your style of constructive criticism is ineffective since it hinges on your opinion. You lack the literary skills to properly critic anything since by your own admission you have seen this style before but dont like it, yet comment on it out of ignorance. Like you really gave it much thought.....

Please stick to what you know since you seem like a mechanic commenting on a surgery. Learn and then critic me. Do you write poetry, abstract literature? No.....then why in sam´s hell should I value your opinion?

I suggest you take a page from your own book of ignorant commentary and discourage your efforts in such activities, since your efforts are only of discouragement, not constructive criticism...


OK, doll......


EDIT:

oh, if you had any honest questions ask, I would not wiggle, you lack the substance in your argument to ask the meaning of anything since you don't have any valid issues with it. All poetry is subjective to the reader, or have you never taken a literature class to know that? Do you think we read poetry or abstract literature like it the way we read Beowulf....? That is a little ignorant to assume, don't you think?

SO any honest questions? No? You know what everything means and/ or don't think any of it has meaning? I see, MR. blind man. The member you say coped out is actually correct and what you have done is a cop out since you have yet to provide any real questions, just OPINION...which is ill informed and underdeveloped. So, stop coping out. Cop out.

that was fun.....LOL
I love you doll.....keep it coming.....

Why Don't You Get A Life And Grow Up
Why Don't You Realize That You're #ed Up
Why Criticize What You Don't Understand
Why Change My Words, You're So Afraid

(Sepultura - Propaganda)

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by daskakik

 

You lack the literary skills to properly critic anything since by your own admission you have seen this style before but dont like it, yet comment on it out of ignorance. Like you really gave it much thought.....

Please stick to what you know since you seem like a mechanic commenting on a surgery. Learn and then critic me. Do you write poetry, abstract literature? No.....then why in sam´s hell should I value your opinion?

Actually I do have the literary skills. It isn't that I don't like the style in and of itself, it's its use for conveying any form of concise message where it falls short.

I suggest you take a page from your own book of ignorant commentary and discourage your efforts in such activities, since your efforts are only of discouragement, not constructive criticism...

Never said it was constructive criticism.

oh, if you had any honest questions ask, I would not wiggle, you lack the substance in your argument to ask the meaning of anything since you don't have any valid issues with it. All poetry is subjective to the reader, or have you never taken a literature class to know that? Do you think we read poetry or abstract literature like it the way we read Beowulf....? That is a little ignorant to assume, don't you think?

SO any honest questions? No? You know what everything means and/ or don't think any of it has meaning? I see, MR. blind man. The member you say coped out is actually correct and what you have done is a cop out since you have yet to provide any real questions, just OPINION...which is ill informed and underdeveloped. So, stop coping out. Cop out.

The member I responded to said some will not get the message because they can't get past the encryption. Since you say that that person is correct then you must have a concrete message. So which is it subjective interpretation or is there a concrete message?

I understand that man has lost contact with his natural state, whatever that is, and lives in a foggy, dumbed down state and should strive to regain his natural state.

Is that the massage, is there more?

Actually I do have the literary skills. It isn't that I don't like the style in and of itself, it's its use for conveying any form of concise message where it falls short.

That is the problem then. You are looking for a concise message when the message is to promote a state of mind, a way I find beneficial for growing our understanding of perception and worth/ importance. A transitional state that allows us to see reality in new "light", with new "sight" /eyes. To see its other "shadows" cast and find new forms we might never discern from our "reality", our current familiar sight we like or prefer. Like switching suns, and not seeing dark anymore that which in new light is now "clear"

This is not like an Ikea manual. You take what is good for you and apply how best you can. It is a universal message. Like "live and let live."

The member I responded to said some will not get the message because they can't get past the encryption. Since you say that that person is correct them you must have a concrete message. So which is it subjective interpretation or is there a concrete message?.

he is correct in that you are blind to meaning beyond a singular state for all things. That you want to see a finite and singular meaning to things, rather than find meaning that is "transcendental". The best way to convey this to you for me would be to suggest that you need to find the better questions in life rather than the best or correct answer.

That is the only way to break from the preconceptions of reality you may have and find that you are capable of seeing with new eyes all that you know and so seeing new things you may have never known /seen. That your ability to see is not flawed, but what and how you see is. The eyes that see are blind. they see darkness and think it is darkness. Other eyes / "sight" might see a whole universe in that same darkness.....that they might see/ be light....see.

The encryption he refers to (IMO) is that which is hidden to us in the dark, the dark itself. The symbolism is meant to reveal the light that the perceived darkness is to our current eyes, that want to see in it. That with a new EYE, we can see....with new LIGHT. That is entirely up to the eye of the beholder. Which might make you blind to what he reads /sees, where he sees perfectly what I communicate. It is not beyond you, but your eyes are closed to it, so you are blind to it. That is what I agreed with him on. No cop out. You just see darkness where we see perfect light.

I understand that man has lost contact with his natural state, whatever that is, and lives in a foggy, dumbed down state and should strive to regain his natural state.Is that the massage, is there more?

Yes. always. There is always a next step in a "way"....its a path not a destination I want you to see.

Which is why we need to try to see the light our eyes are and stop creating darkness so as to see the light we hide. Eyes shut, our fear of that darkness makes hate brew. Eyes open, our understanding of true light / eye that sees, forms love / light, clarity, truth.

don't you love the sun ?, for its warmth and how it shows you the world. Find the "illumination" you don't know......find your eye....open up and see.

I could get to know you and write something for you....but I am not that smart and don't know you, don´t love you personally and specifically, finitely like I might love my child or my mother....so for you and all I made this....this is for everyone....this is loved....a way....to a common source and oneness.....

I cant convey the path with "roses are red, follow the road signs that are blue"....and lines like "seeing ravens on my chamber door inviting me to go beyond my mortality.....ever more" lol

no hard feelings man. I was having a little fun with you since you seemed like a worm that bit but wiggled too much to let the fish consume him...to surrender to the cycle and become part of the fish /become the fish..... so I had some fun pulling the line along.

So, no offense bud, I am sure you have many skills and insight I could never claim myself.

have a good day.

here is a couple Samurai death poems I think are helpful.......

Hôjô Ujimasa1
1538-1590

Autumn wind of eve,
blow away the clouds that mass
over the moon's pure light
and the mists that cloud our mind,
do thou sweep away as well.
Now we disappear,
well, what must we think of it?
From the sky we came.
Now we may go back again.
That's at least one point of view.

Tokugawa Ieyasu7
1542-1616

Whether one passes on or remains is all the same.
That you can take no one with you is the only difference.
Ah, how pleasant! Two awakenings and one sleep.
This dream of a fleeing world! The roseate hues of early dawn!

Toyotomi Hideyoshi8
1536-1598

My life
came like dew
disappears like dew.
All of Naniwa
is dream after dream.

Uesugi Kenshin9
1530-1578

Even a life-long prosperity is but one cup of sake;
A life of forty-nine years is passed in a dream;
I know not what life is, nor death.
Year in year out-all but a dream.
Both Heaven and Hell are left behind;
I stand in the moonlit dawn,
Free from clouds of attachment.

hojosouta.tripod.com...

This is just a good one. A way.

Samurai Song
by Robert Pinsky

When I had no roof I made
Audacity my roof. When I had
No supper my eyes dined.

When I had no eyes I listened.
When I had no ears I thought.
When I had no thought I waited.

When I had no father I made
Care my father. When I had
No mother I embraced order.

When I had no friend I made
Quiet my friend. When I had no
Enemy I opposed my body.

When I had no temple I made
My voice my temple. I have
No priest, my tongue is my choir.

When I have no means fortune
Is my means. When I have
Nothing, death will be my fortune.

Need is my tactic, detachment
Is my strategy. When I had
No lover I courted my sleep.

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
That is the problem then. You are looking for a concise message when the message is to promote a state of mind, a way I find beneficial for growing our understanding of perception and worth/ importance.

If a message is encrypted then it must be concise. What that message seeks to evoke is something else and will be subjective. I think that is where the communication breakdown lies.

he is correct in that you are blind to meaning beyond a singular state for all things. That you want to see a finite and singular meaning to things, rather than find meaning that is "transcendental". The best way to convey this to you for me would be to suggest that you need to find the better questions in life rather than the best or correct answer.

That is the only way to break from the preconceptions of reality you may have and find that you are capable of seeing with new eyes all that you know and so seeing new things you may have never known /seen. That your ability to see is not flawed, but what and how you see is. The eyes that see are blind. they see darkness and think it is darkness. Other eyes / "sight" might see a whole universe in that same darkness.....that they might see/ be light....see.

I understand all that. I don't agree with those who think that this understanding can't be conveyed in simple words.

Yes. always. There is always a next step in a "way"....its a path not a destination I want you to see.

So, I stated in simple words, and a lot less of them, what you basically meant. You add a dozen or so more and the message is complete. That wasn't so hard, was it?

don't you love the sun ?, for its warmth and how it shows you the world. Find the "illumination" you don't know......find your eye....open up and see.

I have already done that, without the use of prose. That is the real reason I disagreed with the idea that the message "is by design encrypted".

no hard feelings man. I was having a little fun with you since you seemed like a worm that bit but wiggled too much to let the fish consume him...to surrender to the cycle and become part of the fish /become the fish.....

I can also say that you failed to surrender and become the straight talker because of the vanity of being a poet.

That is not to say that there is anything wrong with poets and their works but to think that it is the only way to get people thinking and that it somehow weeds the blind from the seeing, seems to be in direct opposition to the content of the OP.

reply to post by daskakik

If a message is encrypted then it must be concise. What that message seeks to evoke is something else and will be subjective. I think that is where the communication breakdown lies.

the message is not static, no, you are. You still fail to see what I mean. If I fail you then I apologize, if you fail you, I can not help you unless you help yourself. Camel to water sort of thing.

I understand all that. I don't agree with those who think that this understanding can't be conveyed in simple words.

Simple words are at the heart of this. The meaning is not simple though you wish to cheapen it like saying the world is flat or not.....it is not round either.....You choose to disagree....why, only you know.

So, I stated in simple words, and a lot less of them, what you basically meant. You add a dozen or so more and the message is complete. That wasn't so hard, was it?

you stated a truth, of many....what I meant was a way....like teaching a person to make a great dress or teach them to make great clothing.....get fish or learn to fish sort of thing.

I have already done that, without the use of prose. That is the real reason I disagreed with the idea that the message "is by design encrypted".

the message is not impossible to understand, but what is "encrypted" is the mind that must jump through hoops to understand it. The mind is encrypted and the words are meant to go beyond your own preconception so as to convey the truth you hide from yourself. Like trying to tell someone their hand makes the shadow to all they touch, not that everything they touch has shadow.....

I can also say that you failed to surrender and become the straight talker because of the vanity of being a poet.

You have called me many things, and now vain....creative writing then must be a complete waste to you....what a shame, you really lose out on possibly the singular source to the greatest works....so works like Shakespeare are crap that would be better by saying..."he killed this guy and then this guy killed him back, but killed another too by accident"....yes, I see how you have literary understanding and why I should value your opinion...

If you don't like poetry....or creative writing WHY are you commenting and going to such great lengths to validate your view on it by criticizing a work of creative writing ? YOU SAID SEVERAL TIMES YOU DON'T LIKE IT..the style, its use, blah blah blah...

That is a little illogical....don't you think...? Mr. I can do everything by being one dimensional with thought.

You seem content to make things dull and dim, to have no meaning besides the singular one they can convey...

like "ug no like you, you no like ug".....a little more and we could just grunt at eachother to show pleasure or pain.....

Learn another language and speak to people of many cultural backgrounds where your current vocabulary and language skill might fall short. You will be surprised how lacking simple words really are. Oh, and get over Santa Claus not existing. I am sure it was devastating, but your lack of spark and soul is a little sad.

would you prefer to check my grammar and spelling as I write out a manual for changing the transmission on a 1994 Capri?

That is not to say that there is anything wrong with poets and their works but to think that it is the only way to get people thinking and that it somehow weeds the blind from the seeing, seems to be in direct opposition to the content of the OP.

That is not my aim and you should know that by now. The work is only encrypted to those that fail to understand it. Like Chinese being all Chinese to me.....because I don't speak Chinese. The aim is for the blind to see. Though I can not pry their eyes open, only show them the way out of the cave they live in, whether they are equally blind in the light or not after living in darkness their whole lives is up to them.....

again.....wiggle if you fear the fish little worm, or let yourself be consumed by it.....become it...


anything else doll?

reply to post by BIHOTZ

You haven't failed me because I wasn't looking to you for anything.

You try to make it more complicated than it really is.

That was my point all along and you're proving that point correct, over and over.