Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

Originally posted by DarthPhobos
Helicopter from rooftop is possible, they ain't gonna shoot it down, fly to Ireland possibly and straight onto flight to his new home in south America.. That would be my plan.. Uk can't follow him to Ireland.. Should be fun to hear how he does it but I suspect it will all be done in the dead of night, requires some military style planning and execution but it is possible

He has been granted asylum I believe that conveys Diplomatic Immunity, which means he can't be touched.

Diplomatic immunity is a form of legal immunity and a policy held between governments that ensures that diplomats are given safe passage and are considered not susceptible to lawsuit or prosecution under the host country's laws, although they can still be expelled. It was agreed as international law in the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (1961), though the concept and custom have a much longer history. Many principles of diplomatic immunity are now considered to be customary law. Diplomatic immunity as an institution developed to allow for the maintenance of government relations, including during periods of difficulties and even armed conflict. When receiving diplomats—who formally represent the sovereign—the receiving head of state grants certain privileges and immunities to ensure they may effectively carry out their duties, on the understanding that these are provided on a reciprocal basis.

en.wikipedia.org...

Rumors about Assange's Ecuadorian Embassy asylum are false.

Originally posted by Iamschist

Originally posted by DarthPhobos
Helicopter from rooftop is possible, they ain't gonna shoot it down, fly to Ireland possibly and straight onto flight to his new home in south America.. That would be my plan.. Uk can't follow him to Ireland.. Should be fun to hear how he does it but I suspect it will all be done in the dead of night, requires some military style planning and execution but it is possible

He has been granted asylum I believe that conveys Diplomatic Immunity, which means he can't be touched.

Diplomatic immunity is a form of legal immunity and a policy held between governments that ensures that diplomats are given safe passage and are considered not susceptible to lawsuit or prosecution under the host country's laws, although they can still be expelled. It was agreed as international law in the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (1961), though the concept and custom have a much longer history. Many principles of diplomatic immunity are now considered to be customary law. Diplomatic immunity as an institution developed to allow for the maintenance of government relations, including during periods of difficulties and even armed conflict. When receiving diplomats—who formally represent the sovereign—the receiving head of state grants certain privileges and immunities to ensure they may effectively carry out their duties, on the understanding that these are provided on a reciprocal basis.

en.wikipedia.org...

Being granted asylum in Ecudor means diddly squat when he is held up in London, he will be arrested for breaching his bail conditions as soon as he steps foot outside of his holdup in the embassy, for him to get successful asylum in Ecudor, the problem herein lies, how does he get from a building in the centre of London, to equdor.. Remember, the British police will re-arrest him when they can & a judge has ordered he be extradited to Sweden, saying he is untouchable isn't correct

Originally posted by DarthPhobos

Originally posted by Iamschist

Originally posted by DarthPhobos
Helicopter from rooftop is possible, they ain't gonna shoot it down, fly to Ireland possibly and straight onto flight to his new home in south America.. That would be my plan.. Uk can't follow him to Ireland.. Should be fun to hear how he does it but I suspect it will all be done in the dead of night, requires some military style planning and execution but it is possible

He has been granted asylum I believe that conveys Diplomatic Immunity, which means he can't be touched.

Diplomatic immunity is a form of legal immunity and a policy held between governments that ensures that diplomats are given safe passage and are considered not susceptible to lawsuit or prosecution under the host country's laws, although they can still be expelled. It was agreed as international law in the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (1961), though the concept and custom have a much longer history. Many principles of diplomatic immunity are now considered to be customary law. Diplomatic immunity as an institution developed to allow for the maintenance of government relations, including during periods of difficulties and even armed conflict. When receiving diplomats—who formally represent the sovereign—the receiving head of state grants certain privileges and immunities to ensure they may effectively carry out their duties, on the understanding that these are provided on a reciprocal basis.

en.wikipedia.org...

Being granted asylum in Ecudor means diddly squat when he is held up in London, he will be arrested for breaching his bail conditions as soon as he steps foot outside of his holdup in the embassy, for him to get successful asylum in Ecudor, the problem herein lies, how does he get from a building in the centre of London, to equdor.. Remember, the British police will re-arrest him when they can & a judge has ordered he be extradited to Sweden, saying he is untouchable isn't correct

edit on 14-8-2012 by DarthPhobos because: (no reason given)

Yes it meens!
they are let im to go if asylum is granted,thats is diplomacy,,,,
but like i am saying they are putting cia mule otherthere maybe
doble or tripleagent who knows .....

peace,
ekiusa

reply to post by QuantumQuackers


The Courier Mail

Ecuador 'will grant Assange asylum' report is false according to president Rafael Correa

In an interview late on Monday, Correa said he expected to respond to Assange's political asylum application later this week.

It appears some boxes still have to be ticked before Assange can exit the UK as an asylum seeker.

A lot of the information he exposed jeopardized our long standing relations with other countries. He did not just expose criminal activity.

If he were just a whistle blower, then I might have supported him.

Right now, I think, his actions deserve to have consequences.

reply to post by anon72


The possibility of his asylum being granted has spurred the AntiLeaks movement which has been attacking WL with DDos attacks this week with a sustained attack of over 10Gbits/second.

Is an embassy car driving from an embassy to the airport still part of said foreign country? If so, wouldn't he be able to just get driven to the airport then board a plane? (I was going to type mount a plane, but I guess that's what got him to where he is now hey ................. mounting)

reply to post by TsukiLunar


BS. The very first leak exposed criminal activity. The fact that the US reacts by attacking the messenger instead of prosecuting the criminals doesn't change the reality of the content. That was not the only one that exposed criminal activity either.
Read the material before you make comments like that.

reply to post by anon72


Amazing how silent the media is on this issue, they are not outraged that a man is fleeing from the "humane", "Democratic", "peaceful" Western nation to Ecuador. It shows, there's no justice in the West, UK, US, etc.. They are all part of a big dictatorship headed by US and its Zionist elements.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by TsukiLunar

 

BS. The very first leak exposed criminal activity. The fact that the US reacts by attacking the messenger instead of prosecuting the criminals doesn't change the reality of the content. That was not the only one that exposed criminal activity either.
Read the material before you make comments like that.

It doesn't matter what the "first leak" was. Wikileaks exposed dangerous, classified information that did not detail illegal activity.

I respect your opinion to support Wikileaks, despite the the fact that they did not really care about what kind of information they did release. You will respect mine to not support them because i feel they did wrong in releasing tons of info that was classified for a reason.

We have different opinions and that is fine. Do NOT tell me I am uninformed about this though. I spent months reading about and following this. I used to support their "cause" now I do not. I am not required to do so either way.

So, either tell me something you feel will change my mind or don't. All you are doing is chastising me for not agreeing with you. That is not okay.

FYI

News Of Assange's Asylum Are False

reply to post by TsukiLunar


The only danger from the leaks was to the power players of the world. Also using the tactic of repeating a lie doesn't make it true. There was illegal activity exposed.
I do tell you that you are uniformed since you obviously are.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by TsukiLunar

 

The only danger from the leaks was to the power players of the world. Also using the tactic of repeating a lie doesn't make it true. There was illegal activity exposed.
I do tell you that you are uniformed since you obviously are.

I acknowledge that illegal activity was exposed. What is your point?

My point is, that if they really cared, they would have exposed only illegal activity.

Explain to me why i should be sympathetic and supportive of someone who obviously did not care what he "exposed"? You still have not done that, you have just told me "you are wrong."

I will reply to your well reasoned answer tomorrow.

I personally hope Assange does well at this point. If those final steps one story said still need ironed out get worked out and he gets to Ecuador, I'd say he's pretty well clear and safe.

Keep in mind, Assange saw far far more than anyone ever saw leaked. He knew, perhaps better than the people playing the games themselves (since he saw both sides in the databases) who was dirty and who wasn't.....who he could trust and who he would have a 'fatal accident' with, his first night in the Embassy.

I'd say he chose well and made as educated a choice as anyone on Earth could have. I don't care for the person who gave him what he leaked against our National Security, but the fact is that if that stuff had been leaked to any of a dozen or more media outlets, it would have run too. Heavily redacted, never intact and spoon fed for strictly political/ratings but it would have come out. Assange happened to be the outlet someone fit for another thread spewed into.

Good luck to Assange though and I hope he releases the password as a big bird flipped to his chasers once he's safe with asylum. It seems even Ecuador doesn't respect the US anymore, but that's another thread too.

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by boncho
Assange picked and chose what he released. It may have looked like "truth" but it was calculated. How much got held back for hush money?

What kind of tactics are that?

How is it any better than the people he claims he is exposing....

Have you seen what he MAY have held back?

Nope!!

Don't need to. I know Wikileaks says they have thousands, millions of files at certain times, and slowly release 10 or 100's from that. At some rates, making it entirely impossible to release the full amount.

Like the Stratfor files, they conveniently released all data pertaining to Wikileaks and Assange, making themselves appear like victims with any badmouth topic about them getting priority.

Do I have to see what they haven't released? No. Because the reason they didn't release it is evident.

reply to post by anon72


Ecuador sits on a gold mine of Lithium, and it's virtually impossible to get military support in that region for the US.

Ecuador has say on the matter.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by anon72

 

The granting of asylum is a stunt and nothing more. Assange cannot leave the embassy grounds which means he cannot get out of the country.

I don't believe that.

There used to be a thing called diplomatic immunity. It's accepted in most countries. If Julian traveled in a vehicle that had diplomatic immunity protection, he could go to the airport and board a private jet. I know of people and things that have been smuggled into the USA at least in diplomatic containers. Customs or TSA cant even search these containers.. that's highly illegal. I know of people with diplomatic bags that smuggle in Cuban cigars, pot, coc aine, guns etc in these bags. Nothing can touch them. that is agreed on as part of the treaties that allow the embassy and embassy officials to exist. That's how it usually works anyway. I'm sure they can get him out.

reply to post by anon72


Great news good to see a warrior of the truth win this battle. Let them have it Julian

I'm not sure about the lay out of the embassy he is in, but I doubt he would leave by the front door to get into a car, I'm sure they would have underground parking in which case it's a secure building/parking lot and is essentially sovereign to Ecuador..

So I guess he won't have any issues leaving, as he will most likely be escorted in a vehicle with the ambassador or diplomat with Ecuadorian flags on it which would make that vehicle immune, I believe the vehicle becomes sovereign also? (correct me of I'm wrong).

I don't see him having any issues getting out, even if they walked him out the front door he would still be user their "care".