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And you are back to Mary being the mother of God.
The thing is, Mary would be the mother of whatever Jesus is. Its basic common sense.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
If Icould go back in time, I would like to ask them the same questions that I did in the OP.
Its interesting how Christians have woven an elaborate theology to interpret Jesus as God. Yet, they remain silent when it comes to the issue of Mary. On one hand they insist that Jesus is God... on the other hand they stop short of acknowledging Mary as the mother of God. Instead they start looking for new ways to explain it away.
Originally posted by Akragon
None of these states of this element can exist in the same space as another...
So logically the Father can not exist as the son in the same place...
Which negates their "oneness"
Jesus is God incarnate - John "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God'. Mary is His mother. Therefore, Mary is the mother of God.
It's very simple.
But for some reason fundamentalists get all a twitter thinking that by saying that truth - Mary is the mother of God - that somehow raises Mary above Jesus or something. That's not the case at all. She is His mother .. she carried Him in her womb and raised Him and loved Him. Just like the rest of us humans, she had nothing to do with generating the soul/spirit/whatever of her child. God did that.
Jesus is God.
She's His mother.
She's the mother of God.
Simple.
She is His mother .. she carried Him in her womb and raised Him and loved Him. Just like the rest of us humans, she had nothing to do with generating the soul/spirit/whatever of her child. God did that.
Sorry but I see no reason to change my position. You say you understand the metaphysical concepts in this theology yet say they hold zero bearing on this... which is just not accurate. As you didn't actually respond to my points but instead just repeated your position over again, we are clearly at a standstill. Not a problem I can post in other threads
reply to post by sk0rpi0n
TextWhat do YOU believe about Jesus? Do you think he is God?
reply to post by ChristianJihad
TextYou simply cannot have it both ways my friend either your yahwhe/jesus is the creator of all or it is not.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Sigh. Not going to waste my time circle jerking. :shk:, NuT, Adjensen you guys can deal with this. Good luck with the :bnghd:.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by queenofangels_17
This is true, but he said of himself... he was a servant of God...
And he also said he was "the son of God"...
are these corruptions as well?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by queenofangels_17
19:22 And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.
Explain this line, if you would. From what I understood, the only person with her is an angel, and she conceived this angel? Or she conceived Jesus? And she withdrew with him inside of her, is that what I'm reading here?
Please clarify this for me, not all of us are as knowledgeable as you are in areas of obscure, outdated text.
This title doesn't mean that she pre-existed Jesus, it's just a reference to the fact that she carried him in her womb and provided the DNA for his incarnation.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by queenofangels_17
Jesus created more bread and fish. When there is only a little to begin with, and then there's a lot, that means he created something. He took bread and fish and created more of this, he made a lot where there had been only a little.
Also...
He created sight, for a blind man.
He created health, for a paralyzed man.
He created life, for a dead man.
He created many things, if you take his story to be true. Come on now, you should know this!edit on 14-8-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by queenofangels_17
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by queenofangels_17
This is true, but he said of himself... he was a servant of God...
And he also said he was "the son of God"...
are these corruptions as well?
Not when he is saying it in the context that the disciples are also sons of God, that God is also their Father.
In this context, we are all sons of God, since we are the work of His hands. He made us in his image, that of a spirit, all good as originally framed by Him.
But when it is referred to mean, son of God, such as the heir, begotten, a Partner of God, then that's a corruption;; Jesus would not refer to himself as THAT kind of son of God.
Your reply was a rant against Catholics.
Like I said earlier... most Christian arguments on this subject can be condensed to "Mary is Jesus' mother. Jesus is God. But Mary isn't the mother of God"
We are indeed back to Mary being the mother of God. My question would be what is your objection to that?