To the abductees

Originally posted by kauskau
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ALL observing points are experiencing a reality/or an illusion/ or a dream. The term: dream and reality...is the same from a higher perspective of 4th dimenisonality. ..

THats right: but this goes with everything you perceive. Without a definition everything is neutral and can´t be reflected in your consciousnes. A tree is a tree is a tree.

Bla bla bla, that's what I call a bunch of regurgitated pop philosophy. Or new age pop, whatever, nothing but loose talk.

But I got another one for you here:
"To refute the solipsist or the metaphysical idealist all that you have to do is take him out and throw a rock at his head: if he ducks he's a liar." - Edward Abbey

p.88: books.google.dk...=onepage&q&f=false

reply to post by impaired


The money thing tells me this is an elite club. They are tailoring their information to an elite membership.

I dont get a feeling of jaki off him though, strong negative energy, just when I was going to say, its more his energy, there was a kind of portal to greys there, just saw it in my mind, and not using my imagination. So I just backed away. Not going to say, its not necessary. Not going there.

I wouldn't pay for that kind of thing, and normal authors who share their life's work, such as Dolores Cannon, have cheap books out.

I don't mind sales, for if you are published you have to participate in this world and many only trust a book they can buy and read at night in bed before sleep.

As long as the info is also put out for free as well. So its shared with everyone.

Otherwise it needs to be questioned. And why such expensive tickets. Why not 30 dollar tickets. If someone is renting a room and a hall and giving a speech, it tends to cost money.

And if someone wants to go for the yuppy ticket price, they should be offering a sliding scale and percentage of seats to accommodate many different incomes, like some good counselors do, ranging from 30 to 70, with some free.

Originally posted by kauskau
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I can understand that: i was a sceptic to and it took me a few hours to realise that bashar could be real. And it took me a few weeks to realise that bashar IS the real deal. But i can not proof it. ..

It is clear you reached your conclusion because you want to believe it, perhaps you are very trusty. I won't blame you for that, that's good, both others will not accept your emotional response as evidence. Regardless.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
..Then i heard a woman write and speak on ascension and alien entities and i new she was being truthful. That caused a switch to turn in my brain thinking. ..

Are you sure you shouldn't switch back? Why do you need to believe in this guy? I won't blame anyone for their personal beliefs, but it's a bit rich if you think that others are to accept it because you feel it's real. Why do you think it would work like that?

reply to post by ScientificUAPer


More often than not, someone who is channeling is actually connecting to something. Some of the energy will hit you immediately. Cassipian wave, channeled on a oujii board hits me like heavy, contaminated, prickly, gravity wave, I call this jaki.

I kind of sense greys around him now, especially after what I just saw and I trust those warnings.

The thing about using imagination to see the abductions that have taken place in order to facilitate contact worried me, as its about permissions.

Your family doesnt require permissions, they simply work with you behind the scenes, and your soul is from this and grateful and most don't know anyway, in the testing ground, that they were never alone.

This sounds like this group requires permissions.

But I still don't feel any jaki or negative so don't know what to say, just as an experiencer spent years closing all permissions down and doing all i could to end this.

Also those who make hybrids and use people just medically like that, tend to see us as insects or lab specimens.

Originally posted by quantumfluctuation
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Remarkably Holland does not report a single claimed abduction, at least according to the available data, which could say something about the Dutch people or the greater defence of Dutch airspace

Holland is the only country I have visited in Europe recently where they have armed military personnel actually patrolling the airport; the Dutch are very liberal but they also take national defence very seriously
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Interesting link, but seriously, are you saying that airport guards etc will stop these abductors with seemingly super-natural powers and spaceships? That is an odd conclusion imo.

How about considering the cultural differences instead? Eg., perhaps many Dutch people go to a psychologist, while many 'Abductees' turn to their church or 'spiritual guide'?

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by ScientificUAPer

 

More often than not, someone who is channeling is actually connecting to something. Some of the energy will hit you immediately. Cassipian wave, channeled on a oujii board hits me like heavy, contaminated, prickly, gravity wave, I call this jaki.

Like in one of those churces where people become possessed and start flipping out, and then calm down because of the power of Jesus? What can I say, faith is powerful

reply to post by ScientificUAPer


The truth is you're a spirit having a human journey in a school. And if you have faith in Jesus,in the traditional way, sometimes that works to close down permissions. I see him as a teacher and the work is awkening the pineal, seeing through the world and loving, growing up and not being selfish.

In any case that didn't work. What did was meditation, prayers, asking Higher Self, attempting to unblock more and more and not let things ruffle me, or get into fights with my dad and try to be very calm in the rougher oceans of life, really see eveyrone as family and the conflict as a lesson that needed to have love shining on it, thatt there is never a coincidence, so work, waking up more, and recognizing people in soul. I never got the paralyzed experience while awake or conscious so could argue back and not upset, but just maintain the will to not be manipulated and telling them what Love is and what Love acts like, until one time I felt empathy for the female technician, thinking she is doing her job, and not negative, and didn't feel in danger, but knew nothing I could phsyically do to change this, so that I didn't want my nature to be affected and choose to have compassion and faith in Goodness.

And it changed everything. The man guarding her, showed himself and spoke to me, and then next, there was protection done and no more harvesting or access occurred, that had been occurring on a regular basis.

For some this might be trust and faith in their religion. But since I don't blieve in pyramid type religions, or lord lord and thrones, but in Family and Goodness and Equality, it took working on myself.

Which is why, even though I don't feel the jaki, I did flash on the greys and the scientific nature of this. Just trusting all is well with open heart and leaping into giving permissions to ET is really silly, experiencers are trying to close this down, though some are aware that its not all negative, and in fact some is the opposite. But there are so many others out there that treat humans as lab animals. Don't just dangle permissions out like that. However if you are waking up to something in your life, open heart is good. Raise your frequency and calm the waters of your life and try to help others, it will protect you more from something negative.

In his case I reserve judgment, he could be giving them a voice. Or, he could be a black op or on assignment, they do hire actors for example, to create the kind of societal acceptance for these concepts, but if that is so, and he is faking, he is actually giving them a voice, because he has a connection to a group of greys, and posssibly their hybrids like he says.

This would beg a question, if someone is going to open themselves up as a channel like that, (he may have been directed to do so with those who he is abducted by), but just anyone. Thinking, oh I can make lots of money this way, they possibly are going to be utilized for some groups purpose, for the good or the bad.

Originally posted by ScientificUAPer

Originally posted by quantumfluctuation
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Remarkably Holland does not report a single claimed abduction, at least according to the available data, which could say something about the Dutch people or the greater defence of Dutch airspace

Holland is the only country I have visited in Europe recently where they have armed military personnel actually patrolling the airport; the Dutch are very liberal but they also take national defence very seriously
..

Interesting link, but seriously, are you saying that airport guards etc will stop these abductors with seemingly super-natural powers and spaceships? That is an odd conclusion imo.

How about considering the cultural differences instead? Eg., perhaps many Dutch people go to a psychologist, while many 'Abductees' turn to their church or 'spiritual guide'?

I don't believe in the supernatural, and clearly airport guards will not themselves stop abductors, but in a county where they have soldiers in camoflauge uniform with machine guns at the airport I would venture to say that the airspace would be equally well defended

In my experience the Dutch aren't so different to the English. Maybe they take health more seriously, and are more liberal-socialist than liberal-conservative, but they did reclaim most of Holland's land-mass from the North Sea and, perhaps as a result, are more patriotic and proud of their country

Certainly though cultural nuances may be part of the reason why they don't claim alien abductions with such frequency

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As a follow-up, because people in the offline world do laugh at me when I suggest that we could defend ourselves against aliens, for me there is a pivotal question: are extraterrestrial incursions real or imaginary ?

If they are just some bizarre manifestation of the collective consciousness, or in all cases simply weather balloons and swamp gas, then we have nothing but our own sanity to worry about

But if they are real then they are subject to laws of physics and there must be a chink in their armour. Moreover we don't have to literally shoot them down; just the minor annoyance of being engaged by fighter jets may be a sufficient deterrant

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by ScientificUAPer

 

More often than not, someone who is channeling is actually connecting to something.

Yes 2 possibilities. They are connecting to their delusions or they are connecting to your bank account.

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What inspired your screen name, if its not your real name? aha.

reply to post by aaronez


The Hopi were a total fraud. lol see how easy that is? if you dont believe this guy then dont come to these threads. Or we can do the stupid little back and forths about who is a fraud. Save that for the political and religion threads for those that like to have a distraction from whats going on around them.

I see all the same people coming to these types of threads to be argumentative children, i wont say names but you guys know who you are. Stop projecting your miserable lives on others all the time.

reply to post by CharonIncarnate

if you dont believe this guy then dont come to these threads.

You seem to be forgetting that this is a discussion forum not a "lets all believe what I posted" love in.

I see all the same people coming to these types of threads to be argumentative children

Just because some here have more sense than to believe the fanciful claims of a money hungry charlatan does not give you the right to call them argumentative children , the ones displaying childish tenancies are those that buy into this stuff without thinking and help perpetuate the fraud .

Well, I don't resonate very well with Bashar. At all.

I've had tons of experiences. My most dramatic was with a friend, another time driving by myself, and several as a child, waking up in places I didn't go to sleep in. Waking up with dirt all over my feet and in my bed from a sleepwalk excursion. My mother to this day can corroborate such instances as happening, and not a dream memory. My father has pointed a shot gun in my face several times when returning from the woods in which I've no memory getting there. (We lived out in the country, and he feared strangers were breaking in.) They ended up putting a chain lock up in the very top corner of the door, just so I couldn't leave the house! Not that it worked. I just slipped out the basement door or the large bay windows off the deck of the house.

However, I've no memories related to aliens or being aboard a ship. So if, and it's a big if, I was abducted - I was lucky enough for the amnesia light to hold and work! Phew.

I've more practical work and experience with dimensional energies, and I tend to believe that most of my experiences can be attributed to such. But who is to say for sure? Could be an outward mental projection of my consciousness directly acting upon the field of energy around us, causing an observable phenomenon I'm erroneously attributing to forces outside myself. Or not. We don't research and adequately document these areas of phenomenon to get a real good idea of what we are dealing with. Thus, we are all shooting from the hip in the dark.

I do believe we are NOT the only intelligence in this verse.

reply to post by kauskau


I have a 6 foot purple mouse that lives in my closet, he make me play silly games at night. Can he help me with this please.

Originally posted by ScientificUAPer


But I got another one for you here:
"To refute the solipsist or the metaphysical idealist all that you have to do is take him out and throw a rock at his head: if he ducks he's a liar." - Edward Abbey

p.88: books.google.dk...=onepage&q&f=false

edit on 14-8-2012 by ScientificUAPer because: bold quote

the most bizarre quote i ever read...
what does ducking have to do with anything...

thats just ridicolous.

i am not a solipsist and i am certainly not somebody who wants to be hurt...

Originally posted by Unity_99
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The money thing tells me this is an elite club. They are tailoring their information to an elite membership.