A simple explanation of why Buddhism is correct.

I would very much have to agree with the fact that buddhism is a religion.

I don't know why the dictionary still classifies religion as having to believe in a creator God. Someday i think that'll change.

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Please don't degrade the great Buddha by claiming he was mistaken as compared to Jesus. Neither was better than the other, and your bias is very much obvious in this matter. Jesus did a good job of teaching, but Buddha got a lot farther between then and now. At least less people have misinterpreted his lessons...

I have many times more respect for Buddhism (for obvious reasons) than I ever did for Christianity.

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You bring up a funny point. The Enlightened one ALWAYS told his followers over and over again to never idolize or worship him and to this day, even the most educated of them revere him to the point of worship.

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Budha was a respectful individual but did he claim that he was a God !?

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And that's one of the many things I admire about him. No person, no matter how wise or powerful, should EVER demand to be worshipped. The very concept of worship is to debase oneself, to show oneself uworthy or ACT unworthy, in the face of another, more powerful person. And that is wrong, no matter how you look at it.

Hence, my distaste for certain...faiths.


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I don't understand how this is relevant to the point I made. No god was ever needed for anyone to live a good life. This has been proven over and over again.

Originally posted by foodstamp
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Bringing the topic up or not does not justify a whole page of Christian rhetoric does it not?

I see you're relatively new, not that that's a bad thing, but you're gonna have to grow MUCH thicker skin to survive here. It's not a stretch of the imagination to believe there will be posters in a thread like this who reject the position of the OP and offer a counter position.

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It is good to consider that which offends you, for exploring the dark reaffirms the light.

In the same note, do not retaliate when you are offended, for you willingly invited such interaction. To poke a dog and then kick it for biting, is not a good thing.

Once I find the information I'm looking for I'm going to start a thread on this issue of reality. But for those intrigued of the possibilities right now, follow this link and start at 10 min 40 sec and watch this chapter. It's scientific evidence for and afterlife..Very interesting..

It's "Through the wormhole Season 2 episode 1" The whole program is great! but at 10min 40sec I find it most interesting.

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Comments on this chapter would be greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by mkmasn

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

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I don't think Jesus ever existed. My reasoning is this:

You can deny His claims to divinity, but you cannot logically deny His existence in the flesh and blood. His death is the most documented death in human history. Atheist historians don't even venture to deny His life and death on a Roman cross.

I don't want to start a debate on Jesus, but the only documentation about his death are 4 journals from His followers.

Someone so important to the world seems like they would have a lot more documentation than that, from people who weren't his followers, no less.

Thats just my reasoning. I'm not here to make anyone stop believing anything. Just pointing out something interesting about Buddhism.

There are secular references too, besides that, the 4 gospels can be subjected to scrutiny in the same manner as any other work from antiquity. Jesus didn't become so enormously big to the world at large until after His death. The first written accounts of Alexander the great don't appear until some 400 years after his death.

Originally posted by maes2
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If God does exist, as we're assuming in this discussion, God is both Good and Evil, Love and Hate, Peace and Suffering. He is everything. Not only did He create all those things, He is in the very fiber of that which makes those things real. Since God is all powerful, those things can each be independent of each other and one may not be needed for the other to exist.

God has not created goodnesses they are it's nature. and badnesses are the lack of goodnesses, again they are not created.
indeed Jesus exists. it is not logic that we say he was killed because of our sins. then God wants to punish who. maybe it is better to say that he was killed by the sin of those that wanted to kill him.
you can also take a look at Quran they are alike mostly but some differences exist.

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God indeed did create goodness. Goodness is part of everything, the same way evil is. If good and evil are not things, we wouldn't see or experience them. Likewise, if God didn't create those things, we would not see or experience them. That's pretty much the metaphor of the Garden of Eden: a perfect place, no good, no evil, just existence.

The Qur'an states very clearly good and evil both come from God. (If any good reaches them, they say, “This is from Allah,” but if any evil befalls them, they say, “This happened because of you.” Say: “All things are from Allah.” What is wrong with these people that they do not understand any word?) [An-Nisa' 78]

The Jews also understood this. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)

Jesus was not killed for our sins, he died for our sins, willingly, if you would believe 3 of the 4 gospels. He was killed for blasphemy against the Jews. He willingly "blasphemed" and died to guide us back on track and forgive our sins.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by foodstamp
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Bringing the topic up or not does not justify a whole page of Christian rhetoric does it not?

I see you're relatively new, not that that's a bad thing, but you're gonna have to grow MUCH thicker skin to survive here. It's not a stretch of the imagination to believe there will be posters in a thread like this who reject the position of the OP and offer a counter position.

You know what? I actually regret ever saying it. Cause io think I stopped a conversation that would have been something to enlighten ourselves and grow from. So, please forgive me for flying off the handle.

In fact, If you look above. A gave a link on something. I'd love your comments on it

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I don't understand how this is relevant to the point I made. No god was ever needed for anyone to live a good life. This has been proven over and over again.

I see. but anyhow someone had to create this human. as I know Budha understood that this world was not that important or fair. because he saw many in plight. he corrected himself with wisdom, hardship and experiences and trips. he never claimed that he was a God and can be God and people should worship him. you are right his teachings has been altered like many monotheistic religions.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by mkmasn

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

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I don't think Jesus ever existed. My reasoning is this:

You can deny His claims to divinity, but you cannot logically deny His existence in the flesh and blood. His death is the most documented death in human history. Atheist historians don't even venture to deny His life and death on a Roman cross.

I don't want to start a debate on Jesus, but the only documentation about his death are 4 journals from His followers.

Someone so important to the world seems like they would have a lot more documentation than that, from people who weren't his followers, no less.

Thats just my reasoning. I'm not here to make anyone stop believing anything. Just pointing out something interesting about Buddhism.

There are secular references too, besides that, the 4 gospels can be subjected to scrutiny in the same manner as any other work from antiquity. Jesus didn't become so enormously big to the world at large until after His death. The first written accounts of Alexander the great don't appear until some 400 years after his death.

That's exactly what I mean. The only references from the time this was all to have taken place are 4. Mark, John, Luke, Matthew. Even those were after his death. There is not one piece of recorded history before them substantiating the claims while he was alive. And the next real body of work doesn't come until 400 AD.

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you are right his teachings has been altered like many monotheistic religions.

I never said this. Where did I post this?

Jesus was trying to tell us that we too are God (in the kind of particular he could, having been raised in Judaism) after having a tremendous realization which, in my opinion, happened during the lost years (I do not believe he went east and studied under Hindu yogis or Buddhist monks).

As a result, not only was he tortured and executed for daring to claim godhood, but more importantly, for telling us that we could do much greater things than he and, in fact, are also God.

Furthermore, religions made in his name put him on a pedestal and made it a heresy to say you are God. So now, claiming godhood will cause people to call you crazy, or worse in some countries, as men and women have been mercilessly been slaughtered for this very reason.

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So the 4th gospel says he didn't willingly die for anything? Come to think of it, why isn't HIS gospel in there, too? Got an answer for that one?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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So the 4th gospel says he didn't willingly die for anything? Come to think of it, why isn't HIS gospel in there, too? Got an answer for that one?

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I take it back. 2 of the Gospels.

In Luke we see a Jesus at peace with his death:
Father forgive them, for they know not what they do (Luke 23:34 ).
Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise (Luke 23:43 ).
Father, into your hands I commit my spirit (Luke 23:46 ).

In John, Jesus directs his comments towards his mother, again, at peace with what is to come:
Woman, behold your son: behold your mother (John 19:26-27 ).
I thirst (John 19:28 ).
It is finished (John 19:30 ).

In Mark and Matthew, it is a different story:
My God, My God, why have you forsaken me, (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 ).

Jesus' gospel isn't in there because he either a) didn't write one, or b) would have been to damaging to the church.

Why argue over whether a faith is a religion or not.

Most religions use the word faith as a noun.

Born again Christians use the word faith as a verb.

That is the difference between Christianity and all other religions.

Ive never read a thing about Buddhism and a few years ago after talking to my Aunt about Christianity. i realized my views relate closely to this idea of Buddhism and Christianity.

God is everything right and what do we know about God. Its that he can not be created nor destroyed!
NOW what else do we know that can not be created nor destroyed. Well there is only one thing that i know of that meets those circumstances and that is ENERGY! SO GOD IS ENERGY!!!

this is where Christianity and SCIENCE comes in. EINSTIEN was a brilliant man that eventually started to believe in God. why? because he realized that E=MC^2 for those that dont know this equation it means ENERGY = MASS therefore ENERGY=GOD=MASS and what do what know consists of Mass people. YEP thats RIGHT EVERYTHING IS F'ING MASS so there u have it the bible is right about saying that God is everything.

now for the controversial part. A majority of people believe that God is a single entity that towers above us, when if fact God is the sum of everything!

This is a good one too. seeming we are mass then that means we are apart of God or you can say we are God. not to say that we should worship ourselves..... no... we are to stupid(under developed) to reach the consciousness of God. this may seem hard to understand but if you think about it through enlightenment and evolution of the mind Humans will eventually reach a God like stasis!! This doesnt mean that you will be God it means you will be ONE WITH GOD!!! we are all connected you have heard this so many times its annoying cause you still dont understand. once we ALL are enlightened we will be connected in such a strong way that it is best interpreted as the God state. I hope this makes sense to you. its sad that we might not but possibly can reach this state in our life time.

so my 2 cents a buddhist christian view is a logical and wise view to interpret God (everything)

STAR ME IF THIS WILL HELP PEOPLE!!

Originally posted by foodstamp

your calculations are based upon that God is a matter. this hypothesis itself has a paradox with your first assumption that God is everywhere. a matter can not be everywhere. if one says God is everywhere it means

Forgive me if I'm wrong. But for arguments sake. Haven't they proven that particles can and do exist in multiple places at the same time? Photon particles for instance? I'm pretty sure they have

And again correct me if I'm wrong. but I don't really think that the original poster was literally meaning physically existing in every particle, but instead, there's a point where the immaterial becomes material. Where action/energy/karma manifests itself in physical form and a point where it goes back into nothingness. Would that not be where a "God" would lie? In between, or before the immaterial become material? If so, then by that measure. Could WOULD technically "exist" within all things.

I came across a thought while reading this.

Since most on this thread seem to agree that God in everywhere, wouldn't it be safe to assume he also exists in a completely different reality then the one we live in. I'm not talking about some galaxy far away, but instead beyond all the universes combined. As though all everything we think of as "matter" is only a brain cell in Gods mind. It is hard to wrap your mind around the concept.

Since this is very possible considering God is capable of anything, what is God made of? Does he want us to achieve his likeness, or become him(a God)?