A simple explanation of why Buddhism is correct.

Originally posted by Binder
reply to post by mkmasn

 

I really like the way you think. I do not get caught up in the dogma of any one belief. I really like buddhism. Although personally I favor it's older simpler base Taoism.

I don't want to switch to a christianity debate either, but you are off on the lack of proof posit about Jesus' existence. It is truly highly documented in many ancient texts, and records, you just haven't found them. Old roman archives, and the works of Josephus are just two. Not claiming veracity just stating that it is incredibly well documented...in fact almost too well...hmmm.

edit on 12-8-2012 by Binder because: ETA

I will concede a man named Jesus existed during that time. BUT I will never concede his divinity!

reply to post by mkmasn


I'm not asking you to concede anything. Just stating facts, in fact if you caught my meaning. I said it is almost TOO well documented. Conspiracy anyone?

Originally posted by bjarneorn
Study math, before you use it ... math has absolutely no place in religion. But for your enlightenment I'll give you a clue ...

God is everywhere, in everything, at any time ... which means, God is infinite.

Man is only here, in the now ... so man is finite.

This should be enough for you ... it doesn't matter how many lives you lead, you will never become God ... because you are a finite being, which will never reach infity ... period. End of discussion, end of math lesson.

All religions, including buddism ... is wrong.

edit on 12/8/2012 by bjarneorn because: (no reason given)

I have studied math. Interesting you say it has no place in religion, yet you agree God is everywhere, in everything, at any time. Numbers are a thing (created by man, but a thing, nonetheless), so you must agree God is in numbers. The Pythagoreans sure as hell thought numbers were divine.

Thanks for the math lesson, though...

Oh and it's not the religion which is wrong, it is the men who spout religion for their own gain who are wrong.

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Oh I see.

reply to post by mkmasn


hehe, no prob bud, we're on the same page.

Buddhism appears to be the path of self - it is a diagnosis of processes and realizations that occur naturally if you allow it to happen in truth and see to the root of things. Many so -called practitioners study and read Buddhist doctrine until there brain starts to fizzle out in the ''search'' for enlightenment...lol. Everyone is reaching, grasping, searching, instead of looking inside. Again, LOOK INSIDE. Be still, be quiet, sit still, observe your thoughts, realize they're empty, let them breeze through.

If you're living a real life, many Buddhist knowledge will serve as a confirmation and compliment to your wisdom. The act of searching for ''enlightenment'' is doomed to fail - realization of self, or knowledge of self is destined for those with hearts free of rust, free of greed hatred and attachment (how do you sleep at night knowing you're a pitiful clown? Some people just stand for nothing and continually sink and sink and sink into confusion, thinking everything in solid and desperately adhering to it) Many will not find what they seek because they only think along the lines of, ''me , me, me.'' I'd like to provide a verse from Jus Allah, which I feel slightly captures a zen mindstate. Don't look too deep in to it.

''I am pure darkness, sparkless
Glitterles, imageless
But still infinitly limitless
Pre-Genesis before man
I crawled the land before all you know, even began
I think thoughts untranslated, among greated
My first rhyme had no words to say it
Force of the immaculate
You only exist cause I imagined it and slit your wrist upon fathoming it
Accurate intellect, the way that my brain tilts my neck
Obeying the will, I select
My face so dark, that it doesn't reflect
The beast in me only awakes at sunset
My life has no connect, of hope in it
The blood I drink, has extra pulp in it
I spit rhymes in the graveyard of my block
I get a rush hearing them beat, the coffin tops
I grow my own trees in the woods I'm from
I need branches to leave playaz hung
I'm running out of higher density
So the gun on my waste, is the only thing holding me from floating into space''

reply to post by Binder


I read the Tao Te Ching years ago... Have no idea where my copy has drifted to.

I remember loving the simplicity. I'm gonna have to find another copy. The Gutenberg Library should have one. Thanks for bringing that up!

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I found a copy with the 3 most popular translations side by side like a chain referrence. I love it, it was only like $20. So much cheaper, and shorter read than a Bible. Don't get me wrong the Bible has truth to be gleaned. It's just that the Tao Te Ching has it all condensed, simplified, and De-BS'd.

reply to post by Binder


That's exactly why I can never say religion is a bad thing. So many good things to be learned by all the different cultures.

I just wish people would stop taking what they hear at church to be absolute truths and think about it before persecuting others for not believing in their God.

I always thought God was a universal, with many different ways of having faith. The main reason I think the premise behind Buddhism is correct is God doesn't need you to read the bible or Qur'an to understand Him. It's naturally inside you. If putting other's needs before my own and always trying to do the right thing is not enough to get into heaven, I honestly don't know if I want to be there.

If you boiled down the bones of every discipline and inspected the glue that you made ,

the stickiness is _ the future .

What a person creates from the future , to here is where the independent teaches independence .

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Originally posted by mkmasn
Very simply, God exists beyond all boundaries of Time and Space. Using this, we can say that God is EVERYWHERE.
Now let's do some (simple) math:
x = smallest building block of the universe. There is nothing is smaller.
If God is everywhere, God is inside the smallest building block. If nothing is smaller, God comprises the whole. Therefore:
x = God

your calculations are based upon that God is a matter. this hypothesis itself has a paradox with your first assumption that God is everywhere. a matter can not be everywhere. if one says God is everywhere it means that he is aware of everything. for example if you be in airplane you can see many things on earth than when you are on the ground. this is just an example and God is far greater than that.
moreover God can not be a creature. if we say that God existed before human and then created it. now you say that everyone can become God. then it is contrary to all monotheistic religions. again one can be budaist and under a monotheistic religion too.
why we can not have many Gods!? then how so much Gods can handle the universe. we choose only one president not hundreds of them. so the leadership should be one and God(the first creator) is wiser than human and knew that already.

Originally posted by bjarneorn
Study math, before you use it ... math has absolutely no place in religion. But for your enlightenment I'll give you a clue ...

God is everywhere, in everything, at any time ... which means, God is infinite.

Man is only here, in the now ... so man is finite.

This should be enough for you ... it doesn't matter how many lives you lead, you will never become God ... because you are a finite being, which will never reach infity ... period. End of discussion, end of math lesson.

All religions, including buddism ... is wrong.

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Never become God? We need you to let the Rothschilds know that..

And Buddhism aspires to none of what you mentioned above.... If you care, but then again, I don't think you gave that post much thought.

reply to post by adjensen

Minor point:

Buddhism is not a religion.

How do I put this politely? Um...BULLCRAP. People have gone so long with one totalitarian-ized version of what THEY think religion should be, that they've forgotten the actual premise of "religion".

Incorrect -- "God is everywhere" is different than "God is everything".

So you're saying that "God is everywhere" means "God is in every place that isn't occupied by matter"...because if that's NOT what you're saying, then "God" IS in fact...well, everything.

Pantheism is the belief that God is everything, and that is not a Christian belief,

Omnipresent means everywhere. It does not mean "everywhere that is not occupied". It means EVERYWHERE. You should fine tune your understanding. And that is the #1 problem with people: they are afraid to admit that they don't understand, because that admits the possibility that it doesn't make sense.

Bazinga.

your calculations are based upon that God is a matter. this hypothesis itself has a paradox with your first assumption that God is everywhere. a matter can not be everywhere. if one says God is everywhere it means

Forgive me if I'm wrong. But for arguments sake. Haven't they proven that particles can and do exist in multiple places at the same time? Photon particles for instance? I'm pretty sure they have

And again correct me if I'm wrong. but I don't really think that the original poster was literally meaning physically existing in every particle, but instead, there's a point where the immaterial becomes material. Where action/energy/karma manifests itself in physical form and a point where it goes back into nothingness. Would that not be where a "God" would lie? In between, or before the immaterial become material? If so, then by that measure. Could WOULD technically "exist" within all things.

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I'm sorry, I seemed to have missed the quote where he said "Buddhism is not a religion". Am I the only one who missed it? I thought I looked closely enough...

Originally posted by maes2
reply to post by mkmasn

 

Originally posted by mkmasn
Very simply, God exists beyond all boundaries of Time and Space. Using this, we can say that God is EVERYWHERE.
Now let's do some (simple) math:
x = smallest building block of the universe. There is nothing is smaller.
If God is everywhere, God is inside the smallest building block. If nothing is smaller, God comprises the whole. Therefore:
x = God

your calculations are based upon that God is a matter. this hypothesis itself has a paradox with your first assumption that God is everywhere. a matter can not be everywhere. if one says God is everywhere it means that he is aware of everything. for example if you be in airplane you can see many things on earth than when you are on the ground. this is just an example and God is far greater than that.
moreover God can not be a creature. if we say that God existed before human and then created it. now you say that everyone can become God. then it is contrary to all monotheistic religions. again one can be budaist and under a monotheistic religion too.
why we can not have many Gods!? then how so much Gods can handle the universe. we choose only one president not hundreds of them. so the leadership should be one and God(the first creator) is wiser than human and knew that already.

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Your argument is based on God not being omnipotent. He can do and be whatever he wants.

We can have many Gods, but how is it any different than saying there is one God that encompasses all?

We used the concept of God within the western world because most people can identify with it. Is there a divine being that controls everything from the heavens? I have no idea. I always thought God to be the thing before the big bang... The thing that caused it all to happen, whether by divine intervention or by chance. If that means He is a physical or spiritual being, so be it. If it means He was some infinitesimally small chance of two Atoms colliding, setting into motion a string of reactions which ultimately led to our existence, so be it.

The Buddhists believe when you have reached the state of enlightenment, that knowledge (all knowledge, really) will be yours, and it is that knowledge which ultimately makes you God, as we describe Him.

Omnipresent means everywhere. It does not mean "everywhere that is not occupied". It means EVERYWHERE. You should fine tune your understanding. And that is the #1 problem with people: they are afraid to admit that they don't understand, because that admits the possibility that it doesn't make sense.

Although the points you make are valid. Perhaps it's not necessary to be so harsh, considering none of us know and we are all here to "sharpen are blades" so to speak? Just a thought. I'd be quite interested in your theory or beliefs. Regardless of how under developed someone else may think they are....

reply to post by Owl1991


Why is it so hard to entertain the possibility that we are gods in our own right? We have CREATED life. We have MASTERED death. We have MASTERED and CREATED things that would make us SUPER-gods in the time of the Egyptians. Why is it so difficult to believe that we might be gods, or be able to BECOME gods?

reply to post by mkmasn

If God does exist, as we're assuming in this discussion, God is both Good and Evil, Love and Hate, Peace and Suffering. He is everything. Not only did He create all those things, He is in the very fiber of that which makes those things real. Since God is all powerful, those things can each be independent of each other and one may not be needed for the other to exist.

God has not created goodnesses they are it's nature. and badnesses are the lack of goodnesses, again they are not created.
indeed Jesus exists. it is not logic that we say he was killed because of our sins. then God wants to punish who. maybe it is better to say that he was killed by the sin of those that wanted to kill him.
you can also take a look at Quran they are alike mostly but some differences exist.

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