The Alien Deception

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Im quite happy letting you religious types live your lives the way you want to believing what you want to believe because it makes you happy, but when you start calling me stupid or 'brainless' for not agreeing with you i take offense.

I agree, there are more than a few of us who think that. If Christians left well enough alone, and let us talk about and discuss the topics that interest us, there would be no argument at all. But no! You guys and gals are not satisfied with that. You have to attack any ET being, historical of otherwise, and you have to attack any other religion, no matter how peaceful, or how quiet they may be. Any Secret Society is attacked without provocation, and we are told over and over that we had better do this, and this, and believe that, or we are simply doomed.

So the arguments continue......

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Im quite happy letting you religious types live your lives the way you want to believing what you want to believe because it makes you happy, but when you start calling me stupid or 'brainless' for not agreeing with you i take offense.

edit on 8-8-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Pardon me, but don't you do the same thing with regard to those who have a religious faith ? Yes, you do. There's a word for that.

Okay, carry on ..........

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


I am sorry but I just refuse to believe God gave up on this sorry lot we call humans. Imagine looking down on a creation you built watching as it destroyed itself day after day thru wars....thru disregard for the resources provided....the lack of compassion....the evil....the list goes on and on.

It takes a pretty narror mind to say we exist but nothing or no one else does...I know if I was the creator....and unlike many religious people I know that I am not....that looking down on the cesspool we call Earth I would have to move on to try my expierment else where....to see if perhaps it was something I did wrong and just start over and perhaps to do multiple expierments to see which ones actually worked.

As for religion and I am a spiritual person I see biblical rhetoric as just that...no answers...no solutions only opinions of man that wrote the biblical words and the same man that is the problem to begin with....so before you dismiss the idea that life exists elsewhere....think about it with you arrogance hat off the top of your head as it looks a lot like a dunce cap from many people's perspective

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

Lol, and what are you investigating in terms of UFO or Aliens? If your still trying figure out if their real then your behind in knowledge. We know their real, the question is what are they here for. Can you answer that?

Good question, and although not addressed specifically to me, I will attempt to answer, for this is a relevant question to the discussion.
ET is part of a PLAN, just as Humanity is part of a PLAN. A human being can stand on this planet, educated and wise, thinks he/she is prepared for anything and everything, and still have no idea whatsoever of what exists is the Universe, or of the Beings that inhabit places there. This human being is not made privy to the PLAN.
Some human beings have been made privy, have been "read in," to some of the PLAN, and some have even been shown things in real time, things like city lights on other worlds in our own solar system, like space stations that are bigger that Earth.

To person "A," average person who have never been contacted, never seen anything of a supernatural nature, to this person, when person "B," who has seen, and has experienced things talks about those things, person "A" then attacks person "B." Person "B" and forms an opinion, and provides a label. Person "B" does the same thing. Attaches a label, forms an opinion.

So, will person "A" and person "B" ever come to common ground in discussion, and belief? Doesn't everybody see that this is a built in divider? Humanity is divided on so many levels, and the plain fact is, most cannot even see this happening! Something is in Control. What it is, I certainly do not know for certain, and do not think anyone can form intelligent thought on a definition of what this control factor is, really. Some call it God. Some call it other names, other Labels.
That which we think of as "ET," "Aliens" "Light Beings," "Angels" all play a part in this magnificent matrix/nexus of Light Energy that we all live within. Nothing is Random. There are no Coincidences.
Everything has already happened, many times, in fact, we are not on what is called the 4th World, the previous three having been destroyed by Humanity in their quest for technology and power. Only the Monoliths are left as a reminder. One has to see the division in order to separate themselves from it.

reply to post by zarp3333

What is the downside to believing the Christian dogma and adhering to its strictures? They clearly state that the downside of failing to do so WILL necessarily result in the loss of ones soul.

Even that plays into the Division Factor. I Am my Soul. How could I lose my Soul? I will "lose" my carbon based human body, yes, but will immediately form another that looks the same, or similar. But if my Soul is "lost," as was stated, where would it be lost too, and how does this whole lost thing work? We each have a thing known as Zero Point Reference. The "point zero" mark where you came into being. From here you came, to here you return. There is no "lost."

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

Have you seen God? Anyway, billions haven't, yet they still believe. Is that crazy?

No I haven't, but I have seen demons and heard their voice, I've even been bound a few times, but I'll save that for another time. In either case I really like what is said here: John 20:29
Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

What does a Demon look like? What sort of voice do they use? Did you conjure the Demon, or did it come without license? Did you follow the advice of Solomon when calling the Demon?

Celestial Beings, Angels, Demons, and Elemental Spirits

Pardon me, I am not making fun here, these things are things I want to know. Why? Because I have read just about everything I could ever find on Demons and Demonology. I have studied for many years everything on Witchcraft. I have studied Alchemy, Theosophy, Magickal Arts. For years.
But I have never seen or heard a Demon. I am curious on how you were able to summon one.

Again, I am not trying to make this sound harsh, or be mean, or anything sinister here. But! You are one of a few of late that states as factual, they have seen, with their own eyes, or heard, with their own ears, a genuine Demon. I take it you are a religious person. Can you remember what you were doing at the time? Any words you might have said, a prayer, song, etc.? Were you dabbling in the Magickal Arts in secret?

Curious minds want to know.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

You make a good point. The problem is that most people who believe in E.T don't study, they just look at pictures and video then draw a possible conclusion.

That's not exactly true, RealTruthSeeker, it is an assumption by you.
As a child I of course came across a few magazine articles and books on ETs, it was the 1960s. But as for being a believer, no, I was not. then I have an experience, then another. Things happened beyond my control. It was at that point I began to study, everything and anything, trying to find out all I could on them, who they are, what they want, how does their technology work? I did find out one thing. 90% of what one reads on the internet about ET is just made up. Blurry photos and choppy video of flashing lights means nothing to me. When I come onto a story like this, I know it is true.

OP, I am one of these "dillusioned" people who have saw a REAL spaceship.

Dunno about ship, maybe probe? Unless the aliens were small??

Gets annoying repeating this story, but I guess I have to:

Summer, 11am, 2010, Clear blue sky, me having fag out window, me turn away from window for 5 seconds, me look back, SMALL BLACK SAUCER sitting outside my window.

Completely RANDOM and SURREAL.

Observed for about 6 minutes, untill it was a speck in the distance.

Following summer, same conditions:

SILVER ORB floats of cloud above my house, 2 flashes of light and its gone.

1 Week later, I photograph large translucent ORB being followed by jets, upon review of the photograph, SILVER ORB can be seen above the tree in my garden. Piks to prove.

So either the goverment is covertly monitoring my house, or aliens are having a nosy..

Take your pick, either way, YOUR dellusioned.

Have a nice day.

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Im quite happy letting you religious types live your lives the way you want to believing what you want to believe because it makes you happy, but when you start calling me stupid or 'brainless' for not agreeing with you i take offense.

edit on 8-8-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Pardon me, but don't you do the same thing with regard to those who have a religious faith ? Yes, you do. There's a word for that.

Okay, carry on ..........

Really?

Show me where im calling religious people brainless for not agreeing with a theory im putting forward then?

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

Instead of outright rejection of anything deemed "religious", perhaps some should take a step back, and actually examine the data presented? You know, actual scientific analysis, not conclusions or rejection of data based on bias against one belief or another.

Have any of you that reject the OP's ideas ever looked into the extensive research, and all the cases, where calling on the name of Jesus makes an abduction attempt stop? Recommended reading, of not. Be fair; if you want to study the topic, look at all the data.

Well, actually there are some who have done a scientific investigation. though, I doubt it would be to anyone's likeing, nor would it be accepted.

I have been a "Western Ceremonial Magician" for around 40 years, so I do in fact have lots of exirence and data in these areas. I also am fairly telepathic; and, contrary to what anyone wants to accept, I have had the oportunity to "talk" with, and meet (in person) some of the species that are generating all of this.

And, guess what! None of them are demons! None of them are "dimensional". They are simply people who have had the misfortune to be born on another world....not unlike myself.

These arguents; that ETs are demons, are exactaly the same as the arguments of not so long ago about Black People. You know, at one time, Blacks were an "inferior race" to all the Whites. The lacked the ability to learn among other things, and, I' sure there were lenty of religous / Bible base arguments in favor of the idea. Over time you have learned that it simly wasn't so, and B;acks are equal in al respects to any other color.

You also need to understand that "demonizing" the enemy is the first things any culture must do for its own protection (or so some would think). Thus making it a reaction of "prejudice" rather than any kind of "thought out" hyothesis.

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Your saying anyone with brains will agree so on the flip side of that logic anyone who doesnt agree is brainless.

I'm simply saying that people who actually study the issue would see the deception. The problem is no one studies, the mere fact they don't believe is good enough for them. That seems to be the model around here.

And again, the flip side is anyone who does 'believe' by watching Ancient Aliens makes it good enough for them too. You use clips from Science fiction films for what purpose? Do you think they should be used as documentaries? 'Believing' is one thing, it's faith based. 'Knowing' is another, it's fact based.

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

Any person with brains could clearly see the deception behind these so called E.T's. or Space Brothers.

Calling anyone who doesn't agree with you brainless is not a clever why to put forward a theory.

No no look at his wording:

"Any person with brains could clearly see the deception behind these so called E.T's. or Space Brothers. "

That means that you have the choice to believe these theories. It also may mean somewhere within himself he is uncertain of these postulations, which is normal.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


The ETs I'm currently in telepathic contact with have a clear message to me:
They are here to help us growing as spiritual beings, helping to expand our consciousness. All of them (first contact i had end 2011) are full of love for us.

This is the very condensed information over all messages over the last 10 month i received so far. If you will this is the "return of the ancestors" as described in following document NATIVE ELDERS REVEAL CENTURIES OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT LORE which summarizes a conference held in 1996 in US by indigenous tribal leaders from around the globe.

My experience with these ETs did not show any "satanic" behaviour, it is exactly the opposite and is based on deep love for us and our earth.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


An interesting response coming from someone whose sole authority in life says:

"Lean not on your own understanding, but trust the Lord in all ways".

Basically, don't bother using your brain, the Bible knows everything you need to know, and everything else is Satanic.

Sorry if I don't take this thread too seriously...no, scratch that. I'm not sorry at all.

Originally posted by jimmyx
depicting the "alien" as THE creature from the movie alien, and depicting jesus as a white anglo-saxon man tends to distort your credibility.

Actually, Jesus may very well have had an appearance, including blue eyes, dirty blond hair, and a flatter face, that would have set him apart to a degree from the appearance of others of his racial grouping, for reasons most, who presume to know everything about everything as to why we Christians are fools, would never have considered before, reasons in fact that any compassionate person might find heart wrenching upon discovery, but that's only a small fraction of the puzzle and the mystery of Jesus Christ's true identity.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

You're like a broken record and it's getting boring. Just say'n.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by MisterFister103
This just in; the earth is flat because the Bible says so.

It's like Tommy Lee Jones says in Men In Black. 'A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.'

Just because the Bible talks about all this deception, and Satan, and 7 headed monsters coming out of the ocean, doesn't mean any of it is true. You have been deceived by a book that was written by hundreds of men, and edited by hundreds more, all spaced apart by hundreds of years. If that stuff was written now, it would be laughed at as the fiction it is (L. Ron Hubbard).

If you are going to attempt to belittle an entire religious group, at least be accurate in your statements. There is not one single place that the Bible states the world is flat. Seriously, where do people get such ideas??

Hmmmmm.....maybe where the Bible mentions the four corners of the earth?!?!?!?!?!?!

Does four corners not refer to a flat surface? Understand the Lord's word. If God says the earth is flat, then Goddammit the earth is flat.

How many times will people keep posting this exact same thread? There are already many others with exact or similar titles. You can at least be creative and change the discussion up a bit, a more detail than the other threads or something...

No, they are not demons, they are PHYSICAL beings with SOULS, if you see one in the spirit realm, that is because it is a SPIRIT of that alien...

Also, some aliens are more advanced and can astral project.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


What about us "dual-believers?" - Christians who have actually read the Bible and understood it to be discussing beings from space and the interbreeding of aliens and humans - long before Zecharia Sitchin? I feel like, based on OPs logic, if one had any brains, one would realize the Bible is very clear about this.

reply to post by dogstar23


So based on that logic, angels are actually flying in the sky, God is in the sky, and the devil is underground (in the grave - sheol)