The Alien Deception

Originally posted by MisterFister103
This just in; the earth is flat because the Bible says so.

It's like Tommy Lee Jones says in Men In Black. 'A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.'

Just because the Bible talks about all this deception, and Satan, and 7 headed monsters coming out of the ocean, doesn't mean any of it is true. You have been deceived by a book that was written by hundreds of men, and edited by hundreds more, all spaced apart by hundreds of years. If that stuff was written now, it would be laughed at as the fiction it is (L. Ron Hubbard).

If you are going to attempt to belittle an entire religious group, at least be accurate in your statements. There is not one single place that the Bible states the world is flat. Seriously, where do people get such ideas??

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes



"Alright, so you disagree with the Bible. That's your prerogative. However, when things in the Bible match with things happening regarding so-called "aliens", and you ignore that, well, that isn't very logical. At the least, some recognition should be given."

Well not Really, I think its pretty likely that a lot of the parts in the bible that speak of "rings of fire in the sky" or the classic "wheels within wheels" are simply ancient man misunderstanding what they are seeing. They see something they can't explain, they try to explain it in whichever way they can.
So no this shouldn't help the bibles case at all. the apparent "UFO" encounters in the bible surely challenge the books validity and help prove that a lot of its been lost in translation.

Originally posted by pillock

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by pillock

 

You can choose to ignore such threads if you wish to avoid people shoving such opinions down your throat.

This is not the religion forum
If it was in the religion forum I would not have read it .

This is in the correct forum:

Discussion topics and follow-up responses in this forum will likely tend to lean in favor of the existence of extraterrestrials and the related conspiracies, scandals, and cover-ups.

That is listed at the top of the page. As far as I can see, the discussion of a possible conspiracy that demons disguise themselves as aliens has as much place here as any other theory on the topic. It isn't reasonable to expect anything having to do with religious beliefs to be contained all in one place, and to not affect discussions on a wide variety of matters. Every single person alive has some belief system or another, and those systems affect what we think, how we behave, etc.

If this specific theory doesn't match up with yours, and you don't want to debate it, then don't. That it is in this section doesn't make you read it. I have opened a lot of threads that I glanced at, then closed, because either I didn't agree, or had nothing to say. That doesn't mean they didn't have the right to post them.

Now, since you are so set against the theory of the OP, do you have any specific reasons as to why? An alternative explanation? An idea as to why so many aspects tend to line up with the OP's theory? reasons that you don't think they do line up? The OP is asking for debate. We don't have to agree to discuss things. Please share what your thoughts are on the topic.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes



" if you are going to attempt to belittle an entire religious group, at least be accurate in your statements. There is not one single place that the Bible states the world is flat. Seriously, where do people get such ideas?"
We criticise the religion not the followers, stop being so touchy.

At the time of "Jesus" it was common knowledge that the world was flat.
Now where in the bible does it say its round?

Originally posted by snakebit
reply to post by snakebit

 

also...didnt the pope go out of his way to say we should accept these "ET's/UFO's"?

not saying he's right or wrong...but someone knows something for the pope to go out of his way to communicate something like that to the masses.

Yes, he did say something like that. However, the pope doesn't speak for all Christians, and a lot don't trust the CC at all. In my opinion, it's telling that he stated such a thing, and all the more reason to NOT Listen to that body.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes



"that is listed at the top of the page. As far as I can see, the discussion of a possible conspiracy that demons disguise themselves as aliens has as much place here as any other theory on the topic. It isn't reasonable to expect anything having to do with religious beliefs to be contained all in one place, and to not affect discussions on a wide variety of matters. Every single person alive has some belief system or another, and those systems affect what we think, how we behave, etc."

Well since we don't claim to know anything and all your views stem from your Christian "all knowing" belief system then your argumemt is surely flawed.

Like I said we don't claim to know anything. We speculate on things, look at the possible evidence, and then try and decide what's logically most likely.
So we don't know anything at all about aliens really. We know they're out there somewhere and we think they might have visited.

You claim they're demons in disguise? jumping to conclusions like that, don't you think you might be in the wrong discussion?

Originally posted by Wongbeedman
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

I think he can claim whatever he likes until you provide some solid proof of your god?

Hey, I am being very sincere. If someone claims to be from another planet, then by all means, SHOW US. I agree with the OP on this issue, though that doesn't preclude the possibility that God made other people, on other worlds. If he did, I don't think we have seen any, though. That the whole abduction/UFO business is a demonic deception doesn't preclude the possibilities.

If someone really was from another world, with all of the attention the topic gets, why not share the truth, and clear up all the confusion? If their identity was secret, they would not post it online. Having posted it, then why not make it public? I am Christian, and I am also a long-time sci-fi fan. Some of my favorite books are about people from other worlds (Zenna Henderson stuff).

Originally posted by Wongbeedman
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

" if you are going to attempt to belittle an entire religious group, at least be accurate in your statements. There is not one single place that the Bible states the world is flat. Seriously, where do people get such ideas?"
We criticise the religion not the followers, stop being so touchy.

At the time of "Jesus" it was common knowledge that the world was flat.
Now where in the bible does it say its round?

Where is your evidence of this, from the Bible? The other poster claimed that the Bible stated the world was flat, and so far, no one seems able to provide the chapter and verse to back up that claim. As for the idea that it was "common knowledge" back then, that isn't even accurate. There were even calculations, before Jesus walked the earth, regarding the precise dimensions of the planet.

Originally posted by Wongbeedman
*snip*
Well since we don't claim to know anything and all your views stem from your Christian "all knowing" belief system then your argumemt is surely flawed.

Like I said we don't claim to know anything. We speculate on things, look at the possible evidence, and then try and decide what's logically most likely.
So we don't know anything at all about aliens really. We know they're out there somewhere and we think they might have visited.

You claim they're demons in disguise? jumping to conclusions like that, don't you think you might be in the wrong discussion?

I never claimed to know everything. God knows everything, but I am not God (and never will be). What I believe is faith-based. No Christian denies that. We speculate as well, and a lot of people have looked at this issue for a lot of years, studied the evidence, and tried to decide what was the most logical conclusion. The only difference is that we will accept a Biblical explanation, if that fits the clues, and you and others seem unwilling to do so.

It isn't "jumping to conclusions" when Christians discussing the topic have done at least as much research as the rest of you. You can disagree with those conclusions, and that indeed makes for some interesting debates, but acting as though we simply assume things isn't really a fair or accurate assessment.

Nope, a discussion of the nature of these aliens belongs in this forum.

I have talked about this before, but will share it again here. I once knew a young man (he's deceased now) who was a close friend of my brother. I thought of him like another brother, in many ways. This guy believed he had been abducted. He had never been hypnotized, and was deeply disturbed by the issue, and very afraid of the beings he said he encountered. More than one type, if I recall correctly. Well, he visited my home once, along with my brother and mom. We were talking about that problem, and I explained to him what I believe; that they are demons. I also explained that if I was right, he need not fear while in my house, because I do NOT allow such things to enter. He said thanks, but pretty much shrugged me off, not really believing, though he did understand the Christian viewpoint. Well, a day or two later, he came to me and thanked me again, more sincerely, telling me he had not felt so safe in years. Now, you can take that however you want, but to me, that confirmed my ideas on the topic.

So, I am not just spouting something I read someplace. I formed my ideas LONG before I ever watched anyone's YT video, or read anyone else's opinions, on that theory.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by Wongbeedman
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

I think he can claim whatever he likes until you provide some solid proof of your god?

Hey, I am being very sincere. If someone claims to be from another planet, then by all means, SHOW US. I agree with the OP on this issue, though that doesn't preclude the possibility that God made other people, on other worlds. If he did, I don't think we have seen any, though. That the whole abduction/UFO business is a demonic deception doesn't preclude the possibilities.

If someone really was from another world, with all of the attention the topic gets, why not share the truth, and clear up all the confusion? If their identity was secret, they would not post it online. Having posted it, then why not make it public? I am Christian, and I am also a long-time sci-fi fan. Some of my favorite books are about people from other worlds (Zenna Henderson stuff).

Just to clarify I don't think he's from another planet let's just get that straight.
Imagine how much it would affect the world!
He wouldn't just be sat typing away on ATS although that would be funny

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

Is it any surprise that this topic is not given the rational,methodical research that it requires? If UFO's aren't attributable to ET,they become a harbinger of Lucifer and his minions?,World governments never hide advanced technologies right?.
It really is time that we looked at the UFO phenomenon critically and logically,otherwise we are just going round in(ever decreasing) circles.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes



"where is your evidence of this, from the Bible? The other poster claimed that the Bible stated the world was flat, and so far, no one seems able to provide the chapter and verse to back up that claim. As for the idea that it was "common knowledge" back then, that isn't even accurate. There were even calculations, before Jesus walked the earth, regarding the precise dimensions of the planet."

Bit busy at the moment at work but here's a few quotes I found

"Flat Earth claims
"Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.” Only with a flat earth could tall tree be visible from “the earth's farthest bounds,” — this is impossible on a spherical earth.
Theological rebuttal: The strength of Daniel 4:10-11 as an argument for a flat Earth is considerably reduced by the fact that this part of the Book of Daniel recounts a dream experienced by the Persian king during a fit of madness. Thus, it does not necessarily refer to an actually existing tree or make any statements about real cosmology. This fact would seem to indicate that biblical literalists do not even know how to read the Bible properly.
'Four Corners' Flat Earth claims
"Isaiah 11:12 "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
"Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." As with the daniel quote, this cannot be taken literally; the events described in Revelation are a series of visions, rather than an accurate description of the world. So that's, um, one flat earth claim."

Originally posted by Wongbeedman

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by Wongbeedman
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

I think he can claim whatever he likes until you provide some solid proof of your god?

Hey, I am being very sincere. If someone claims to be from another planet, then by all means, SHOW US. I agree with the OP on this issue, though that doesn't preclude the possibility that God made other people, on other worlds. If he did, I don't think we have seen any, though. That the whole abduction/UFO business is a demonic deception doesn't preclude the possibilities.

If someone really was from another world, with all of the attention the topic gets, why not share the truth, and clear up all the confusion? If their identity was secret, they would not post it online. Having posted it, then why not make it public? I am Christian, and I am also a long-time sci-fi fan. Some of my favorite books are about people from other worlds (Zenna Henderson stuff).

Just to clarify I don't think he's from another planet let's just get that straight.
Imagine how much it would affect the world!
He wouldn't just be sat typing away on ATS although that would be funny

Well, I don't really think so, either. However, I would still expect someone making such a claim, and supporting the ET theories, to stand up and offer proof. I would offer proof of such a claim, if I made it, and had the evidence.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


"I never claimed to know everything. God knows everything, but I am not God (and never will be). What I believe is faith-based. No Christian denies that. We speculate as well, and a lot of people have looked at this issue for a lot of years, studied the evidence, and tried to decide what was the most logical conclusion. The only difference is that we will accept a Biblical explanation, if that fits the clues, and you and others seem unwilling to do so.

It isn't "jumping to conclusions" when Christians discussing the topic have done at least as much research as the rest of you. You can disagree with those conclusions, and that indeed makes for some interesting debates, but acting as though we simply assume things isn't really a fair or accurate assessment."

See, this Is the problem, if god apparently knows everything and you don't doubt his word then how is that any different?

The fact your beliefs are faith based is the flaw.
I prefer not to put faith in anything since yo can't put faith into things you know are true.
That's what faith is, if your not sure about something you put faith or hope into it.
Eg. "Is this gonna work? Probably not but I have faith"

Like I said before, us "non believers" prefer not to believe anything or anyone who claim to know everything.
Leaving every possibility open, not counting out your Christian views. I've considered them, I was bought up in a Christian family.
The thing is all we do as humans is learn. The bible I think is a pretty good description of what we knew at the time which is why I don't think its relevant today.

Of course, we only think we know. Most things we "learn" get proven wrong.
Which means we have to get it all wrong first to learn anything at all.

Originally posted by Wongbeedman
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

"where is your evidence of this, from the Bible? The other poster claimed that the Bible stated the world was flat, and so far, no one seems able to provide the chapter and verse to back up that claim. As for the idea that it was "common knowledge" back then, that isn't even accurate. There were even calculations, before Jesus walked the earth, regarding the precise dimensions of the planet."

Bit busy at the moment at work but here's a few quotes I found

"Flat Earth claims
"Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.” Only with a flat earth could tall tree be visible from “the earth's farthest bounds,” — this is impossible on a spherical earth.
Theological rebuttal: The strength of Daniel 4:10-11 as an argument for a flat Earth is considerably reduced by the fact that this part of the Book of Daniel recounts a dream experienced by the Persian king during a fit of madness. Thus, it does not necessarily refer to an actually existing tree or make any statements about real cosmology. This fact would seem to indicate that biblical literalists do not even know how to read the Bible properly.
'Four Corners' Flat Earth claims
"Isaiah 11:12 "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
"Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." As with the daniel quote, this cannot be taken literally; the events described in Revelation are a series of visions, rather than an accurate description of the world. So that's, um, one flat earth claim."

Well, you dd at least offer some quotes. You also accurately state that these are not supposed to be taken literally, and that both are described as visions. Certainly not a claim that anyone then thought the earth was flat. In the Danial reference, I would have always assumed this either meant something so large you could see it from the horizon, or something that was symbolic, and "seen" by the entire world.

IN Revelation, the "four corners" is more metaphorical than anything, referring to the winds from all directions, in a way non-scientific people could understand.

At least, though, I know where some would get the idea. Thanks for taking the time. Way too tired here (up all night with my "vampire" child, who never wants to sleep) to research that properly.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

Yeah to be fair the bible doesn't really say much about it, theres just as much hinting its round in there as there is the flat idea
Guess everyone had their own opinion or just didn't really think about it in those days.

It is funny to read these threads, and the variety of responses. Everything from the whole UFO/Alien thing is a farce, to there are 57 species visiting us today. Either you believe this and you are "all in" or it is a bunch of hooey.

I am of the camp that it is a very real phenomena. I do think we are being visited by more than one alien race (be it extraterrestrial or interdimensional i cant say for sure). I also feel like the governments or TPTB have suppressed this reality for a variety of well-meaning and selfish reasons. I have studied this in detail and have not come to these conclusions Lightly. It has shaked my foundation to the core.

The gap between believers and non-believers is quite large. The problem is that once you go down this rod it is hard to stop or to come back. Itis a genuine mystery that I believe will be shattered in the near future. Soon, everyone will understand this reality. Just my opinion, of course.

reply to post by Jchristopher5


I'm with you on that. Only I'm always overly hesitant to say "yes I'm a believer" guess I just don't like being wrong haha.
But we do slowly seem to be learning more about the subject.
I mean, how many people do you now who have gone from "yes were definitely alone" to "well its pretty obvious some things going on"
People say it all the time, if this was a court case we'd have all the evidence we'd Need, but when it comes to challenging social norms that have lasted for centuries then it gets a bit tricky.
Like, look how long its taken for people to get over the bible. We're just getting started on the grand scheme of things!

Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

Ok, so what do you believe then?

I believe that these Aliens are Demons threads belong in the religion forum as they are mostly theological arguments based on twisted out of context quotes taken from religious texts .

I wholly agree, and this has been discussed....but the truth is, the religious people cannot stay away from these Alien/UFO boards, they have to come in and convince us all that we are being deceived, because their book, or their God tells them so.
This belief seems to have become common thought among them too, even in my own little Southern Ohio town. Last year we had a sighting over town, at night, three orange lights and a rather large craft, swept back and forth in the sky for 20 minutes before moving away fast. There were maybe 10-12 of our neighbors watching it, and after it was gone, we stood talking about it. Then this little old lady walked up, and said to anyone listening..."Those were Satan's Demons! Do not be fooled, people!" I personally think there is something in the grape juice.
I wonder how they will act, and what they will say when ETs are a fact of live, and walk among us every day, and this is known to all?

How will they act with the secret history of Planet Earth is revealed, and they all find out their religion was made up to control them?

reply to post by reeferman


It truly is human arrogance to believe that we are the greatest and peak of evolution. How can you not think that there is other life out there? 100% agree with you