Iran vs. USA in one picture

Iran, along with 90% of the countries in the Middle East will get my sympathy and respect when they start treating their own damn people with respect and dignity.

You can judge a country on how they treat their own....That says a lot for me.

And the United States, for all of it's flaws, is by far superior morally and ethically than the whole lot of combined ass-backwards nations over there!

That is just my humble opinion, of course

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Ignorance is bliss indeed and you have the audacity to speak about "credibility"

Iran is no Saint and I have said that on many occasions but that does not justify the Western meddling in that country since 1953 and even before. Part of the reason Iran is so screwed up is due to Western meddling, can you blame them for being an Islamic theocracy?

Which is perfectly within their rights as a sovereign country.

What reason does the US have to be meddling in the region? The answer is NONE other than their imperialist agenda
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Let's not forget the Iraq/Iran war who some of you still try and blame on Iran, which was clearly started by Iraq and backed by the United states.

No doubt you are aware of the following, but I'm just posting this as a reply to your post and your statement of putting things in context (always good idea but seldom heeded).

You want to speak about credibility but we must put things into context first, which you clearly are not ready to do.

From Wikipedia:
(and it should be noted there are no criticisms by Wiki's standards on this section on this page)

By spring of 1953, incoming US President Dwight D. Eisenhower authorised the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to organise a coup against the Mossadeq government, known as the 1953 Iranian coup d'état. Classified documents show British intelligence officials played a pivotal role in initiating and planning the coup, and that Washington and London shared an interest in maintaining control over Iranian oil.[21] The coup had its roots in Britain's conflict with Iran.[22] On 19 August 1953, Mossadeq was forced from office by the CIA conspiracy, involving the Shah and the Iranian military, and known by its codename, Operation Ajax.[21]

Imperialism 101

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Should America's invasion of Canada in 1812 be on this list?

To secure peace is to prepare for war

Seems counter-intuitive to me...

Originally posted by Maurice2014
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

Should America's invasion of Canada in 1812 be on this list?

America and Canada were just playing tag in 1812.

Canada was "it".

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Israel should lead the way, but no, nobody can question Israel and their illegal developement of nuclear weapons which will most likely be used against a country such as Iran. They are only guessing and assuming also.

edit on 9-8-2012 by DarknStormy because: (no reason given)

I've read post after post attempting to drag Israel into this, so you're just Lucky Number 13 to get a response. I would like for you to show me some evidence of this "illegal development of nuclear weapons" on behalf of Israel. Specifically, I want to to provide evidence of the "illegality".

I'll wait while you find that, and if you can't, Israel has no part in a discussion on IRAN of this nature.

One other thing that strikes me in general (not aimed at you) - why are so many people hard after giving nuclear power plants to Iran, while decrying their very existence and the danger they are claimed to pose to Japan and the US? Y'all got something against Persians or something, and want to see them glow in the dark?

Binkman is the perfect example of a disgusting human being. The coment he made about wishing America and everyone in it to die is a prime example of the worst possible human being that infest the planet.Apparently he does not understand what a hypocrite is. Please Brinkman don't procreate for the sake of humanity! We do not need people such as this infecting the gene pool. His post gets my vote for super stupid post and member of the century.

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I find it amazing that a "potential' scrap with Iran gets this much ink when in Syria they're dying by the 100s as we speak. Same in Libya and Eygpt before that.

An almost uniformed dislike/distrust of their own gov'ts, almost uniform oppression of their own people and it's the US who's killing innocents. Apparently, it'd ok to kill your own innocents/citizens, but by god, if the US does it, especially without the UN rubber stamp endorsement then horrors!!

All due to British arbitraries inventing artificial "nations" following the break-up of the Ottoman empire.

Selective targettting of evil/stupidity merely generates more evil/stupidity. There's much more here than just the US. To ignore it, is to further it.

Originally posted by Maurice2014
Should America's invasion of Canada in 1812 be on this list?

Canada is in America!

I think you're talking about when the US and Canada had their little prepubescent childish "You stay on that side of the line" tussle.

Since then our 51st State has been doing just fine except they pronounce the letter "Z" funny.

Originally posted by maes2

Originally posted by beezzer
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Okay. Where is the western press? Why isn't the western press doing a whole expose' on the innocent and pure Iranian people versus the evil westerners?

Why hasn't Iran opened their doors?

Why can't I go and see?

Why can't they just open their borders?

I do not know go ask them!
who is preventing you from going to Iran!
which border is closed!

The one that hikers accidentally cross - that border.

Originally posted by nenothtu
I've read post after post attempting to drag Israel into this, so you're just Lucky Number 13 to get a response. I would like for you to show me some evidence of this "illegal development of nuclear weapons" on behalf of Israel. Specifically, I want to to provide evidence of the "illegality".

I'll wait while you find that, and if you can't, Israel has no part in a discussion on IRAN of this nature.

This is true...Israel has never signed the NPT...the US and Iran HAVE.

One other thing that strikes me in general (not aimed at you) - why are so many people hard after giving nuclear power plants to Iran, while decrying their very existence and the danger they are claimed to pose to Japan and the US? Y'all got something against Persians or something, and want to see them glow in the dark?[/qote]

Well, that is also true...it's a bad idea regardless, imo.

Persia itself is an occupied land. Islam took it by force.

That's rich. Are you even familiar with your own countries history?

So Native American land wasn't taken by force? Let me guess you've got some excuses lined up for that too.

Originally posted by binkman

US Citizens and companies. That's who.

What companies contributed to IRA fund raising campaigns? Let me guess- companies founded by descendents of Irish immigrants. So in the end, all your tirades of the big, bad, evil Americans is nothing more than the end result of what you Brits did yourselves. Does that about sum it up?

They were in Irish bars, and people from all walks of life in your, "society", would have dropped coins in it and funded the deaths of over 4000.

Time to put up or shut up. I've already said I've been to a number of Irish bars, including those in Boston and those in NYC, which have probably the largest Irish community in the US, and I haven't seen any such collection centers. Where are the Irish bars that have this and I'll go there and see for myself. Otherwise, stop making stuff up off the top of your head and passing it off as fact.

Oh look, you're denying your history again. NORAID was the US funding wing of the IRA, and citizens from all parts of your "society" contributed to it. I don't give a damn about Germany, Russia or Kampuchea, I care about the fact that you armed and funded terror in my country.

Don't compound your lies with more lies. Before you said the US "caused more genocide in the last two hundred years than any other country" and NOW you're saying "you don't give a damn about Germany, Russia or Kampuchea". If you don't even "give a damn" about the fifty million people the Nazis were responsible for killing all over the world or even the 2,5 million murdered in Kampuchea then you're an idiot if you think I'm going to believe you have any more genuine empathy for those 4000 Brits killed by the IRA.

You're dancing in the blood of your fellow countrymen for your own personal Xenophobic agenda. You genuinely care as much about the victims of the IRA as you do about the newspaper that you used to wrap your chips. You know that and so do I.

Originally posted by Kram09
So Native American land wasn't taken by force? Let me guess you've got some excuses lined up for that too.

Well, no, there is no excuse for what happened to the Native American.

The English and French came here and settled North America and started the drive to take the land from them.

You ought to know that, being English and all.

Originally posted by binkman
That reminds me of how you funded ALL of the major terror groups we are being brainwashed to fear, plus the IRA and many, many others.

Really? The US funded the Red Army Faction and groups like that? Because they were pretty scary in Europe in the 1970's and 80's. Because you did say, "ALL the major terror groups".

Originally posted by binkman
No you are right, it wasn't Al Queda. It was the CIA, who funded, trained and armed Al Queda.

riigghhtt....it's the CIAs fault!

Originally posted by binkman
Wouldn't surprise me if it was a CIA false flag to frame Iran, you are good at that sort of thing.

Oh, yes!! Another score by Binkman!!! You are Da Man once again!! You drew the "CIA False Flag" card and used it like a gun to shoot him down!!!

Yeah, right. It's always the CIA. Funny about that. On ATS, the CIA is a joke that screws up everything, yet they seem to be the ones behind all the trouble in the world.

It can't be both, people.

Originally posted by roadgravel
The oppressed people of central america. The US did such a great job there is why they are all moving here.

edit on 8/9/2012 by roadgravel because: (no reason given)

That's not a road you want to travel.

Start a thread where that is the topic, and send me an invite, and I'll be more than happy to dance THAT dance with you.

In that thread.

I've got stories, if you can stand to hear them. I bet you can't. You won't know until you start the thread, though.

Wow, I love threads like this. And here on ATS, it's the "All American Bashing, all the time" channel.

I noticed a few things, tho.

Posters that enjoy taking a dump on the US never seem to mention their country? Why, ashamed? Ashamed that you KNOW that there are some black skeletons in your closet that will be dragged out if you mention it?

And yeah, I know, I don't have my country named, but it only takes someone with two brain cells (Binkman, you're excused. Your two cells are chasing each other around in the dark with knives) to figure out where Free Pineland is.

And, since everyone here is always mention how great Iran is (and leaving out the stuff about killing homosexuals, suppressing the opposition, etc), how about making a list of any of the GOOD they do?

You know, stuff like Haiti, for example. How many search and rescue teams were sent there? Aid? Hospital ships? Communications? Heavy Equipment? Heavy lift aircraft?

I guess they had all their spare cash wrapped up in terrorist groups that year.

Can someone give me an historical example of land that wasn't originally taken by force? (Besides, obviously the first people there...) Thanks.

One over-arching rule of history: Land belongs to those who can keep it.

Originally posted by nenothtu
The one that hikers accidentally cross - that border.

are you sure that was an accident. moreover if an Iranian crosses the border of US the same accidentally, that is no far that sits on an electric chair or gets executed by air syringe or may be goes to Guantanamo !
or maybe they convict him that he wants to terror the ambassador of Saudi arabia in US

Originally posted by binkman
When you talk about "beating and slaughtering their own people", do you mean like the way various US police agencies slaughter innocents every day, and how they beat the occupy protesters? I just want to be absolutely clear that we are thinking about the same thing.

I am capable of admitting the USA does a lot of awful things. As others here have pointed out however, you are simply incapable of grasping that countries other than the USA and Israel are also capable of atrocities.