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Originally posted by Jchristopher5
reply to post by jamdan
I never read the Hitler anti-gravity book by Qualm, but he wrote a book about it, then one debunking it?
Originally posted by Druscilla
Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
That could be perceived as an ignorant stance, you have to read about a topic to be able to comment on it effectively, are you incapable of reading UFO books objectively?
It could also be considered extremely ignorant to look at the UFO phenomenon without substantial knowledge of Psychology, Sociology, Meteorological Phenomenon, Astronomy, and many other factors that go into making up the 95% of reported cases that are indeed simple mistaken identity, as well as fraudulent activity.
If you look over an eye witness report where "person A" describes seeing "object X", and because of your UFO research, you draw a correlation between that report and blatant similarities with a case you read about occurring in 1967, you may very well be predisposed to rank that report as a secondary hit, or confirmation through continuity and consistency from that earlier report, when, the very fact of the matter could be that "person A" simply read the same historical report in the public record and is taking you for a ride.
edit on 8-8-2012 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)
It could also be considered extremely ignorant to look at the UFO phenomenon without substantial knowledge of Psychology, Sociology, Meteorological Phenomenon, Astronomy, and many other factors that go into making up the 95% of reported cases that are indeed simple mistaken identity, as well as fraudulent activity.
Originally posted by Druscilla
It could also be considered extremely ignorant to look at the UFO phenomenon without substantial knowledge of Psychology, Sociology, Meteorological Phenomenon, Astronomy, and many other factors that go into making up the 95% of reported cases that are indeed simple mistaken identity, as well as fraudulent activity.
Originally posted by Druscilla
I actually don't have any UFO books.
My go to materials relative to the subject deal primarily in Human Psychology, Sociology, Meteorology, Astronomy, Optical Illusions, and other such.
Originally posted by Druscilla
I'll readily admit to having a certain bias in favor of more down to earth explanations with higher probabilities of identification and/or mistaken identity by witnesses.
Originally posted by Druscilla
Having/Studying UFO books and materials, in my opinion, risks a predisposition in favor of whatever ideas and ideals may be presented in such literature.
Originally posted by Druscilla
Fact of the matter is, we still don't know what this phenomenon is.
Originally posted by Druscilla
Tainting one's perception by assertions in UFO literature that UFOs are nuts and bolts craft, interdimensional travelers, time travelers, or other such based on whatever criteria for these kinds of assertions are made on, risks a predisposition toward considering those ideas as opposed to following independent critical analysis.
meh.
To look at the evidence and go away unconvinced is one thing. To not look at the evidence and be convinced against it nonetheless is another. That is not science. Do your homework!
Originally posted by Brighter
Originally posted by Druscilla
I actually don't have any UFO books.
My go to materials relative to the subject deal primarily in Human Psychology, Sociology, Meteorology, Astronomy, Optical Illusions, and other such.
Yes, these fields and their representative explanations should be something that any moderately educated adult should already have internalized.
Originally posted by Druscilla
I'll readily admit to having a certain bias in favor of more down to earth explanations with higher probabilities of identification and/or mistaken identity by witnesses.
Yes, it is a bias - one that prevents one from looking at the phenomenon objectively.
Originally posted by Druscilla
Having/Studying UFO books and materials, in my opinion, risks a predisposition in favor of whatever ideas and ideals may be presented in such literature.
I felt a distinct kind of second-hand embarrassment on reading this. Not only by not reading any books on UFOs are you in no position to make any sort of judgment on the phenomenon; but by only reading books on psychology, sociology, etc., you are predisposed towards precisely the kinds of bias that you mention.
Originally posted by Druscilla
Fact of the matter is, we still don't know what this phenomenon is.
We actually have a better idea than you'd think. But you wouldn't know that by refusing to actually read any of the literature on the subject.
Originally posted by Druscilla
Tainting one's perception by assertions in UFO literature that UFOs are nuts and bolts craft, interdimensional travelers, time travelers, or other such based on whatever criteria for these kinds of assertions are made on, risks a predisposition toward considering those ideas as opposed to following independent critical analysis.
meh.
I'd say it's pretty difficult to perform any kind of mature critical analysis if you're failing to study the very phenomenon in question. It's like saying that, in order to be a serious student of evolution, you should make sure not to read anything on evolution.
[align=center]I actually studied and majored in psychology in school, and I have to say...psychology studies can rank right up there with the UFO theories in their substantiation! [/align
Originally posted by Orkojoker
Originally posted by thesearchfortruth
Hi guys.
Recently I've been looking to add to my collection of UFO books. What are some of your personal favorites or just books that you think are really credible and interesting in general? List your top ten (or five, doesn't matter how many) and please explain why you like them.
My top eight:
1. The UFO Evidence, Richard Hall, Volumes I, and II
2. UFOs and the National Security State, Richard Dolan, Volumes I, and II
3. The Hynek UFO Report, J. Allen Hynek
4. The UFO Experience, J. Allen Hynek
5. Dimensions: A Casebook Of Alien Contact, Jacques Vallee
6. UFOs: Generals Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record, Leslie Kean
7. UFOs: Interplanetary Visitors, Raymond Fowler
8. The Edge of Reality: A Progress Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, J. Allen Hynek And Jacques Vallee
how about you guys?
My list would include your 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6, not necessarily in the same order. Then I would add:
Anatomy of a Phenomenon by Jacques Vallee
Challenge to Science by Jacques Vallee
The UFO Controversy in America by David Jacobs
UFOs and Government by Michael Swords et al
The Missing Times: Media Complicity in the UFO Coverup by Terry Hansen
The Myth and Mystery of UFOs by Thomas E. Bullard
All of the above are quite factual and steer clear of the fringe. All well-written by obviously intelligent people who have really done their homework.
Originally posted by Orkojoker
reply to post by Brighter
Amen to that entire post, my friend. As genuine skeptic and astrophysicist Bernard Haisch noted:
To look at the evidence and go away unconvinced is one thing. To not look at the evidence and be convinced against it nonetheless is another. That is not science. Do your homework!
ufoskeptic.org
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
Herbert Spencer, British philosopher
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The lady [cruella] doth protest too much, methinks.