White students forced to stay at failing school

reply to post by SyphonX

The system disadvantages "working class" people, period.

I agree that the system is rigged against the working class, but race does come into play.

Minorities make less than whites even with equal degrees
People with lighter skin are more likely to get hired
People with lighter skin get less jail time

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reply to post by acmpnsfal


I'm privileged because I'm white? That's hilarious.

Where might I go to reap this most glorious reward?

I actually have been in situations where I was in the minority. The US Army for one, I've been in and around units that have more blacks than whites, for example. I've seen blacks promoted over whites in order to meet the segregation quota.

If I lived in Washington DC, where the Black population dominates by an estimated 50.7%, with "non-hispanic whites" at 38.4%.... Would I still be 'privileged'?

Originally posted by SyphonX
reply to post by acmpnsfal

 

I'm privileged because I'm white? That's hilarious.

Where might I go to reap this most glorious reward?

I actually have been in situations where I was in the minority. The US Army for one, I've been in and around units that have more blacks than whites, for example. I've seen blacks promoted over whites in order to meet the segregation quota.

If I lived in Washington DC, where the Black population dominates by an estimated 50.7%, with "non-hispanic whites" at 38.4%.... Would I still be 'privileged'?

You are whether you want to believe it or not. You obviously reap the benefits without realizing it. Im a black male and have been in situations where I was privileged because I am male, which I did not realize until after I became aware of institutionalized sexism. In the US Army you were in situations where there were more blacks than whites, Ok, I can go with that. But you go on to say that more blacks were promoted in order to meet the segregation quota? Essentially saying none of the blacks who were promoted deserved it(check the link I provided this is in there lol). Even though there were more black people then white. Gotcha. I'm not even sure I believe that story though seeing as the army is mostly white. You don't live in Washington DC so bringing that up is pointless.

I'm sure I will be posting an unpopular opinion here, but if the minorities leave the school and there are mostly white students left, I don't think the school probably has much to worry about as far as failing this next school year.

Originally posted by acmpnsfal
You are whether you want to believe it or not. You obviously reap the benefits without realizing it. Im a black male and have been in situations where I was privileged because I am male, which I did not realize until after I became aware of institutionalized sexism. In the US Army you were in situations where there were more blacks than whites, Ok, I can go with that. But you go on to say that more blacks were promoted in order to meet the segregation quota? Essentially saying none of the blacks who were promoted deserved it(check the link I provided this is in there lol). Even though there were more black people then white. Gotcha. I'm not even sure I believe that story though seeing as the army is mostly white. You don't live in Washington DC so bringing that up is pointless.

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You made a baseless assumption that I'm "privileged and ignorant".

I gave you an example. Yes, I've been in and around units that were mostly black. I've been in and around units that were mostly white. I've seen units predominately hispanic. This is all especially apparent in reservist and national guard units that source recruits from their state.

About the part where "Blacks were promoted over whites". I was referring specifically to blacks being promoted, then put in charge of "mostly white" units even if they were outclassed by someone who was white. They would only do this to "stack the numbers" to make it look good on paper. It can even happen in reverse, by promoting and transferring someone who is white to lead a predominantly black unit.

Do you see my point?

The issue I have is institutionalized segregation.

You know absolutely nothing nothing about me, and it's disgusting for you to tell me "I've always been privileged but just don't realize it". Prove it.

The larger issue is population statistics. Is Japan populated by a bunch of ignorant privileged Japanese people, because I can assure you, "blacks" do not measure up nicely in Japan. What about Scandinavia.. ? Are those all ignorant privileged white people as well? Why just America.. ?

Even in Union states, New England for example.. states that had lives lost measured in the millions during the Civil War that was supposed to be about "fighting slavery". If that's the case, why is the black population not larger in these states.. ? Why do they overwhelmingly populate the South and urban areas. I'm privileged because I live around mostly white people, just as a matter of fact because blacks mostly choose not to live here? So I'm thrown in with all the bumpkin states, "just because".. ?

reply to post by Larrelye


That would have been unthinkable half a century ago. A further sign of the insanity of the times. How Whites can tolerate it in their own country is straight out of the Twilight Zone.

The problem here has nothing to do with race, color, poverty or any of the usual reasons thrown out for a failing school.
The problem is a product of aculture that has little or no respect or education, reading or intellectualism. It's the parent's fault there are failing schools because they expect the school to do all the teaching. Without the active support of parents most schools would find themselves with failing grades.

reply to post by RealSpoke


You posted statistics, that's what I said in my previous post doesn't mean anything. It's irrelevant. I asked you to show a law, rule, regulation, anything that is discriminatory against minorities. Something along the lines of a law on the books that states "Minorities must be sentenced to 20% longer prison terms than white people" Such a thing doesn't exist.

This whole thread is about white children not being allowed to change schools simply because they are white. That's how it's written, its on paper saying "if you are white, you cannot change school"

It's not just a statistic that on average less white children are permitted to change schools than minorities, it's an actual law, rule that's on the books saying white kids cannot change school.

That's what I'm asking for. Something equivalent to that, but discriminatory against minorities. I doubt you'll find it, because it doesn't exist. The only laws or regulations that specifically target a group for discrimination are those against whites. That is the point I was making, which has yet to be successfully argued against.

So once again, find a law that says "minorities are not allowed to...XXX" or "Minorities have to...XXX"

As far as the college thing, they HAVE to have a certain percentage of minority students. Performance or grades has nothing to do with it. You could have a student that has a perfect GPA all throughout high school, but if the school isn't up on it's minority quota, that white student can NOT be admitted because his spot HAS to go to a minority. That covers `the enrollment aspect I talked about.

As far as the payment aspect, if you take a white person and a minority of exact equal means (income, etc) and exact equal qualifications, the minority will have way more financial help than the white person.

A minority can apply and get loans and grants from anywhere that a white person can. A white person, on the other hand, can NOT get loans and grants from anywhere that a minority can. There are hundreds upon hundreds of loan and grant programs for minorities ONLY. So a minority and a white person of equal means and qualifications will not have equal help, the minority will have MORE help because there are additional loans and grants he/she can get that the white person, because of their race, cannot.

Originally posted by acmpnsfal
reply to post by SyphonX

 

No, you just don't realize the amount of privilege you have because you are white. You are oblivious to it because you have most likely are not often in situations where you are the minority. Read over this

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Here we go again... alright. You want me to debunk all that BS? That's off-topic, so I'll make a new thread. I'll post a link here once I'm done.

Blatant, dirty, crime-against-humanity level racism against white people. I don't understand how people put up with this. The color of your skin does not make you superior or inferior. White people should not put up with such treatment, just like black people don't. It is horrible that people still have to face such discrimination because of their skin color in this day and age - and what's worse, people accept it and some even try to justify it. No better than the black or white supremacists.

Had to comment on this..heres the solution!! build schools and send the kids that live closest to that school!! if its a failing school get rid of the teachers and staff !!even after tenure...tired of school systems being forced to keep bad teachers and staff due to some stupid rules and laws!!

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
The problem here has nothing to do with race, color, poverty or any of the usual reasons thrown out for a failing school.
The problem is a product of aculture that has little or no respect or education, reading or intellectualism. It's the parent's fault there are failing schools because they expect the school to do all the teaching. Without the active support of parents most schools would find themselves with failing grades.

This is a bullseye.

I teach in a very poor area. My school is approx. 60% white, 30% African-American, and the rest Hispanic. Most of the white and African-American students are from single-parent families with multiple siblings. Approx. 80% of our families receive government assistance. The rest are parents who work multiple jobs at minimum wage.

Once they learn the language, the Hispanic students tend to outperform everyone. Why? Because in this area, they have the most family support. The parents know that an education is the key to breaking out of poverty, and they are extremely devoted to their children succeeding in school. I love having the ESL students in my classroom; its the one way I know I'll have parental support and volunteers throughout the school year.

The other parents? I'm generalizing here, not all of the parents are like this. But a majority see no point in education because "I never graduated high school and I'm doing okay." (yes, direct quote). The parent who told me that statement at a parent-teacher conference was completely unconcerned that her third grade child could barely read and never turned in any homework or classwork. This parent was unemployed, collecting government benefits, and also prostituting out of her house.

A lot of our students are in such dire circumstances financially that they don't know where their next meal is coming from. Its really heartbreaking to watch the way they devour EVERYTHING on their plate for breakfast and lunch...even when they don't like the dish. Hard to worry about adding fractions or studying geometry when you don't know if you'll be eating supper that night. We partner with several churches that send home food over the weekend, just so we know the kids will have something to eat. Last year I had 12 students who received these backbacks (would have had more but the money ran out). Those kids never missed school on a Friday when we would send the backpacks home, and if I forgot to pick them up I was reminded very quickly.

Its not that the school or teachers are doing a terrible job (that's the norm, again, I'm generalizing). Its the attitude of the parents, and then passed to the students, that education is of little to no importance. Its a product of the entitlement society we live in....their attitude isn't "I want to live comfortably so I should work hard," its "I want to live comfortably so the government should provide." It angers me when I do get a parent in for a conference, one who's on government assistance and getting the backpack of food, and they have an iphone and drive a brand new sports car.

I could go on and on, but I think I made my point so I'll stop.

Sigh.

Originally posted by StumpDrummer
Had to comment on this..heres the solution!! build schools and send the kids that live closest to that school!! if its a failing school get rid of the teachers and staff !!even after tenure...tired of school systems being forced to keep bad teachers and staff due to some stupid rules and laws!!

In my state (North Carolina), there is a system in place to get rid of the lousy teachers, even if they have tenure.

I think there's a general misunderstanding of tenure. In NC, all it means is that you have seniority. Therefore, if there's a need to layoff people because of a reduced budget, people with tenure are laid off LAST. Last hired, first gone. That sort of thing. It also protects the teacher from petty administrators (I'm dealing with one this year, ugh).

However, teachers must renew their professional licensce every five years. To renew your license, you have to have so many continuing education credits AND a certain level of achievement on classroom observations. For example, your principal observes the teacher 3 times a year....those evaluations have to be of a certain caliber. The principal then either recommends continued employement or not....and thats how your license is renewed.

When you look at a failing school, first look at the demographics of the area. Chances are high its in an impoverished area with high crime rates. That's the main culprit.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by Nite_wing

 

Modern day African Americans do not claim to be slaves. Modern day 20th generation Americans are still trying to claiming they are Irish though.

So why do they like the description "African American?". One gets in danger of being struck on the jaw if this term is not used.

The studients who are more academically gifted should go to the better school. Not fair to keep someone in a #ty school if they have potential just because the colour of their skin.

If this was banning black people from going there would be outrage.

Double standards much?

As an "African American", I actually prefer the term black when used to describe me, however that is second to what I most prefer--either simply MAN, which I am, or learn my name. That solves the "what to call people" problem quite handily. When I look at people, I honestly don't see white or black first. If we're going to be analytical, I see sex first, age, then I learn their name. It's a simple three step process. Without all this muddling that bringing race into it does.

Originally posted by James1982

Originally posted by yadda333
Ahh yes--the new ATS!

ATS
Where white people come to complain

Why are you being such a racist?

You support a school district using race as a means to decide who can and cannot attend a certain school?

Personally I feel race should be totally left out of education, but evidently the government, and you, are under the impression it's OK to discriminate against white children.

And then you have the nerve to talk as if this is some sort of frivolous issue and say whites are just complaining.

If a black person started a thread talking about how a certain company didn't allow their black employees to hold certain positions, would you post and say "ATS, a place for black people to complain"

Would you go to that thread where the church was stopping a black couple from getting married and say "ATS, a place for black people to complain"

Better yet, if a white person were to post in those threads and say that, would you be OK with it? You think it would be allowed for someone to go into a thread where the subject is racism against minorities and say "ATS, a place for minorities to complain"

You evidently support discrimination, as long as it's directed towards whites. What a shame. I guess standing up for equality for ALL people is too much effort for you, and you only wish for equality for minorities.

Racism, discrimination, whatever you want to call it it's simply wrong, and it's wrong regardless of if it's directed towards Blacks, Whites, Asians, Hispanics, or any other race, culture, group, or anything else.

I'm against discrimination, you and some fellow people in this thread seem to love discrimination and support it fully, as long as it's directed towards whites. That's a shameful attitude to have, no better than the backwards redneck white racists that harp about blacks all the time.

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Yadda yadda yadda......that's all I get from your post.

My post was an accurate assessment of the ATS zeitgeist these days. I posted it because it is true.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

A good step to becoming successful would be to stop blaming others for your short comings...don't blame your failures on others successes.

It works both ways kid.

Now how about you guys try to stay on topic, instead of derailing the thread.

Just so you remember, the thread is about non-whites being discriminated against because they're not as smart as the white kids, so they have to find a new school, while the white kids get the school a "better grade". (just makes me sick)

reply to post by getreadyalready

It says "desegregation," but what it really means is that in order for all 3 schools to get passing grades next year, they have to homogenize the academic make up of the students. This could be interpreted lots of different ways, and any way that I might say it would sound racist, so I'll just refer to the letter itself and say that the "white" students are not allowed to transfer, because that would only exasperate the problem and make the failing school even worse and the passing schools even better. If they make the white kids stay put, and only allow the black kids to transfer, then apparently they hope that will make the school have a passing grade.

This is a racist policy, very simple.

If they want to get the grades up at the failing school, the letter should have said the students with passing grades can not transfer out.

But they didn't say that, did they? They said 'white students'. That assumes that white students largely have passing grades, inferring that non-white students have failing grades.

Not too hard to see the racism there, is it?

Originally posted by MoreThanTheSum
As an "African American", I actually prefer the term black when used to describe me, however that is second to what I most prefer--either simply MAN, which I am, or learn my name. That solves the "what to call people" problem quite handily. When I look at people, I honestly don't see white or black first. If we're going to be analytical, I see sex first, age, then I learn their name. It's a simple three step process. Without all this muddling that bringing race into it does.

MAN, you deserve a hundred stars for this post.
It is pretty simple, but simple eludes so many today!