Lucifer and the Masonic Lie of Theosophy

Originally posted by rainbowbear
Those of you wanting a specific ritual as proof of Man being reborn as God need look into the Allegory of the lost Word, wherein Man is raised above his brethren to become the cornerstone of the universal temple...

theres also the "hidden" sepheroth in the Kabballa--used in ways that i dont fully understand--

Many rituals are a repetition of the 3 ruffians killing Hiram Abif--you know of many "accidents" that have happened at constructing Public Works projects--someone always "falls" into the cement pylons being poured--anyway-- a blood sacrifice--or how the Towers didnt fall until there was sufficient "jumpers" to make blood flow.

read Manly Halls lost keys of freemasonry-its a kids book-

im sure the God as Man thread is initiated as soon as the member is raised with the Lions Paw--and probably carried out in every degree. I doubt he knows it.

Its pyramid power--raising of the Phoenix from the ashes--you know.

I could be wrong on a few details--im sure someone will correct me.

Do you believe in Magik?

Wow. There is a load in that symbolism. It needs a new thread. These stories are written on our hearts. The group that has tried to manipulate the symbols left their own version all over the buildings, corporations and institutions they created. Once the populace realizes who was doing the manipulation, the fire will engage.

I think this is what they are preparing for with the coming police state. They know their day has come. This time, God fights the battle. Not against the men themselves, but against the manipulators behind the men.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by g146541

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

Do you have any proof or even evidence to this?
Or do you just want us to trust you that Mason's are bad?
I have evidence that refutes your claim, no proof though.

If you open your eyes and see where you are now, you see the proof. You are on a website that denies ignorance. What is this ignorance? It's the lack of knowledge that evil men conspire to subvert law. Conspiracy is the private associate of SOME men to subvert law in their favor. Secret Societies are defined this way. I am showing you where you are by turning on a light in this room. If you cannot see, you are not looking.

Actually I am here as I understand the "false flag" is something very real.
I have PROOF Remember the U.S.S LIBERTY..
It is my sole purpose to educate all toward the terrorist state of israel, that is my agenda.
The rest of ATS is just free entertainment to me.
I have no misconceptions about jesus coming or aliens coming or the easter bunny coming to save me.
If you plan on enlightening the room, show me proof, not evidence.

Do some reading on the sign of Jonah and the Pharisees and Sadducees who were wanting proof by a sign. Jesus told them, the only proof they would get is the sign of Johan. There is a hidden mystery in this that is revealed all over the internet. Read from the keywords I suggest or read the article in my signature link titled, Peter and the Rock to be Rolled Away.

Reading?
I'll do even better!
In the fourth grade, I wrote a story.
Much like all of your books, mine could not be proven either.
But like your books, it was quite the fairy tale!

reply to post by BIHOTZ


the manipulation of natural elements by man, could defiantly be defined as magic--and heres the KEY--

IF, the majority of the population is kept ignorant to the use AND value of said elements.

Why do the Mayan ziggurats have a flat spot on top for the Elite priests? The Judges deliberate behind closed doors--the Priest at his alter--- So we dont know whats going on. And we are left to speculate--

This is how occulted knowledge widens the gap between dupes and adepts.

Manipulation of matter isnt magic--its natural -but the ability for some to conceal truth from others--is defiantly part of the majic show.

Originally posted by rainbowbear
reply to post by BIHOTZ

 

the manipulation of natural elements by man, could defiantly be defined as magic--and heres the KEY--

IF, the majority of the population is kept ignorant to the use AND value of said elements.

Why do the Mayan ziggurats have a flat spot on top for the Elite priests? The Judges deliberate behind closed doors--the Priest at his alter--- So we dont know whats going on. And we are left to speculate--

This is how occulted knowledge widens the gap between dupes and adepts.

Manipulation of matter isnt magic--its natural -but the ability for some to conceal truth from others--is defiantly part of the majic show.

In Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll shows the same story. When Alice and Humpty have a conversation, Humpty Dumpty reveals the secret behind the riddle. He also points out his own cognative dissonance between being a Mason, Mathematician and Jesuit. Remember, the Jesuits were enemies of the Masons. Some Jesuits were closet Masons and Theosophists. My reading of Carroll says that he was both. He reveals this by stating that the goals of man are impenetrable against God's truth. Words mean what God determines they mean. No more and no less. Words, in this sense, were archetypes of men. Impenetrability is the state whereby two things cannot occupy the same space. Good and evil cannot be with each other before the stronger rules the weaker.

`And only one for birthday presents, you know. There's glory for you!'


`I don't know what you mean by "glory,"' Alice said.


Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant, "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"


`But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument,"' Alice objected.


`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.


`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'


`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'


Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again.


`They've a temper, some of them -- particularly verbs, they're the proudest -- adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs -- however, I can manage the whole of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'

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The Glory of man was his birth and perfection. The fall of humpty was the fall from grace. All the kings tools and all the kings men could not put Humpty back together again. Here is the riddle as a literal lament.

Man sat on the wall of choice when he was vulnerable like an egg on a wall.

Man took knowledge and used it before he was ready (before the egg hatched), and had a great fall (from God’s grace). If he had just waited, he would have become his potential by hatching.

All of the King’s tools (technology) and all of the King’s men (Alchemists/Scientists/Mathematicians) could not put man back in his place of glory again.


---The wall can also be seen as the veil man tried to cross. I think God also enjoys a good mystery. We are the ones to find the treasure from the journey.


The question in the end is this: Which is to be master, that's all. God is to be master.

There is no THEOSOPHY...

There is only the study of God which can, at times, be called and/or titled "THEOLOGY"

But beware... therein are the many misguided theories and speculations.... To truly know it is to be a martyr.
This is the "Operative" version of theology...

1) BUY & SELL!

reply to post by EnochWasRight


Some good points brought up about all of this.

Much of theology is based, strictly, and LOOSELY, on events and people that have, are, or will occur/exist. Much of theology is also based on simple associations and the use of psychological archetypes of the human mind. Aspects of our awareness and experiences that manifest in emotional conditions, which can, and are associated with various ideas, thoughts, and/or beliefs. This emotional/belief trigger system can become a good thing, but, we all know it can be a bad thing, and a hindrance even. Obviousness.

A lot of these stories found in religion are quite a trip, and to what end for us as individuals though? To help us? To demand our obedience? Or is it just to test the ability to believe, maybe to quell the people, hopefully to inspire?

Hmm..pondering.

Originally posted by Pinocchio
There is no THEOSOPHY...

There is only the study of God which can, at times, be called and/or titled "THEOLOGY"

But beware... therein are the many misguided theories and speculations.... To truly know it is to be a martyr.
This is the "Operative" version of theology...

1) BUY & SELL!

Originally posted by Soloro
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

Some good points brought up about all of this.

Much of theology is based, strictly, and LOOSELY, on events and people that have, are, or will occur/exist. Much of theology is also based on simple associations and the use of psychological archetypes of the human mind. Aspects of our awareness and experiences that manifest in emotional conditions, which can, and are associated with various ideas, thoughts, and/or beliefs. This emotional/belief trigger system can become a good thing, but, we all know it can be a bad thing, and a hindrance even. Obviousness.

A lot of these stories found in religion are quite a trip, and to what end for us as individuals though? To help us? To demand our obedience? Or is it just to test the ability to believe, maybe to quell the people, hopefully to inspire?

Hmm..pondering.

For me, I see four baptisms to overcome listed in the Bible. Matthew 3 outlines three and shows that the water puts out the fire. The four baptism are outlined in my words below, but I draw this inspiration from the Bible.

"Earth - We are planted into the Garden. We are not rooted in the soil like plants or in a fixed domain like fish. Instead, we can occupy all domains. This autonomy requires that we overcome these domains by hardships. The wilderness we occupy was provided to allow our growth by experience.

Air - We are given the Word of God as a guide to the wilderness. This word is also the language we learn and master. Meaning ultimately comes when we decipher the inner symbols of nature and overcome our ignorance and pride of the outer world. Meaning springs from the root, just like a plant.

Water - We are baptized into the Water (Immersion into Reality). The water cleanses the temple (body). The temple is where the sacrifice is made. This temple houses the spirit of God, along with our soul. We are to overcome as we are born again. "You must be born again." Plants die and the seed perpetuates to the next generation. Producing fruit ensures seed for the next crop.



Isaiah 26

19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.
20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.


Fire - We are finally baptized by Trials. The Flaming Sword of God cuts away pride and protects the tree of life. The tree of life is DNA. We light the fire we burn by. We can also put out the fire with the water.

Spirit - After overcoming the first four baptisms, we are then baptized by the Spirit of God. Jesus is necessary for us to be marked by the spirit for salvation from the Fire. The water and blood of Christ brings salvation from the corruption of the elements."

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

There are three states of truth.

I disagree, there is only one truth, all others are partial lies or untruths if you prefer.

I guess there are three states of truth.

1) there's the truth that we know to be true, which is obviously known truth.
2) there's the truth that we don't know to be true, but which is nevertheless still truth, its the unknown truth
3) there's the truth that we believe to be not-truth, but which is still in fact truth.

I was asked to join the Lucis Trust in NYC but the whole thing seemed too hippy to me. Triad meditation? An altar that it looks like ikea made.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
When my father was in the Masons, he refused to have his students march a parade on Sunday. For that, he was fired from the school by request of the Masons. God was in this. My father quit the Masons and found his calling in life in a school and community that honored God above mankind. How is this different than a church?

Masonry says to honor God.

In a church, there are no requirements for membership. All are welcomed. There are no secrets and everyone shares in what is taught and learned from the Word of God.

Well, we're a private group not a church.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Theurgy is the answer. The ritual of Masons is that they can rise, by their own work and merits, to the status of god. The Bible makes it clear that man can only rise with Christ as their Lord.

Actually nowhere in Freemasonry do we ever say this. Please provide proof of the contrary.

reply to post by rainbowbear

I'm sure I could walk circles around you regarding my fraternity (not a religion).

reply to post by rainbowbear

Actually, nowhere in Masonry are we "reborn as gods". That is stupid and completely false.

Hall also wrote his books prior to ever joining Freemasonry, some of which he did retract.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


Truth is personal business, we all (living creatures) perceive differently (one size does not fit all) for infinitely many reasons (genetic make, outer circumstances, location etc.) and God is just as personal business.
I prefer to see life and death as a cyclic merging of water drops with the ocean, it does not matter what you and me think as the truth, or which religion we choose to relieve the so human fear of deaths' eternity (the only reason, combined with human striving to explain what could not be gasped with reason, any religion ever invented by mankind could thrive).
Light is personal business (We all humans perceive colours differently, The beauty is in the eye of the observer, When the sun sets, small people throw long shadows)
Hence I try to do my best and behave loving and ethically throughout this life, towards all other forms of life I encounter on my constant learning path. Everything else is going to be a surprise.
For me there is no literal Hell or Lucifer as in Satan or a Jesus Saviour I can project my fears on. Evil is done by men not Lucifer.
A very catholic friend of mine asked me once what I was thinking with regards to the literal existence of Lucifer, my answer was that if he ever existed his reason for being evil was the lack of love and compassion he has been shown by his parents (creators).

What's with all this hatred toward the Freemasons?

I just don't get it.

Nearly every Mason that I have every met and spoke with was highly educated.
The entire process of advancing degrees seems to be a way of better understanding one's self.

OP, you do realize that, from what I understand, every single teaching in Freemasonry is allegorical.

That is why they take every religion, despite the differences.
People find what they want to find, but the brotherhood gives each individual support.

Again, I am not a Mason, but I have spoken with several at length and what they do in their Lodge doesn't sound all too different than what you folks who belong to the many cults of Abraham do every Sunday at your church.
Except Masons will never tell you that you are going to Hell.

Get off the "I hate Masons kick" man.
Actually, since you seem to think that Masons are the incarnation of evil itself and they worship Lucifer, let me tell you what I think about Christians.

I think that they are servile and weak. I think that they subscribe to a religion that coddles them like a fat kid who gets bullied and can't stand up for himself.
And their religion is like the fat kids mom who gives him cookies to make him feel better, but yet keeps him fat, which manifests the bullying.
Seriously.
The bible is a freaking labor manual.
It was written by the Romans in order to quell the peasants into being better slaves.
The bible is the original psychological operation.
And to top it all off, Christians think that it is their god given duty to brainwash the rest of the world into adopting their same pathetic and peasant driven mind-frame.

Next time you go hatin' on Masons, think about how much you like being able to criticize them.
Think about the value you put in having a government that is unable to infringe on freedom of speech, allowing you to criticize them.
Think about the value you put in having a government that is unable to infringe on your ability to worship a myth.

And when you think about these things, say a little thank you to Freemasonry, because Freemasonry created America my friend.

reply to post by kyviecaldges


I can see that you haven't taken much thought into the reason why you will never hear a Mason say your going to hell, because most do not believe in it because they do not believe in Biblical principles.

Its the typical intermixing of doctrines that when formed together give you answers in the immediate while keeping you in the dark to sessile in seeking any real truth.

Where do you get off saying that the Bible was written by Romans, thats straight up ignorance, im sorry, but thats completely contradicting to any agenda they would have to control.

2 Peter 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Why not do some real research before claiming your own conclusions as absolute.

Christians are servile and weak, yea because your so strong.

Come off it puff and stuff.

Originally posted by rainbowbear
Do you believe in Magik?

In a young girl's heart? How the music can free her, whenever it starts?

reply to post by EnigmaticDill


You do realize that the degrees of Symbolic Masonry are taken from stories in the Holy Bible?



Freemasonry is not a Christian institution. However it is firmly based in the principles of the bible.

reply to post by EnigmaticDill


Do you really believe hell is a physical location?

Exactly because they want to pervert things in the Bible, through the various rights and rituals.

To provoke the Lord to anger.

The Bible says

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Hell is physical location in the spirit,

reply to post by EnigmaticDill


No.

What really happens is we use the stories of the bible to teach allegorical lessons in order to help men become better men.

There are also coed bodies that use the principals of Masonic teachings to unite men and women of different faiths.

The Vatican has corrupted Christianity far more than any group of Freemasons could. We encourage men to participate in their own faith.

Then that means you do not follow the Bible. What exactly do you follow, secular humanism, you can slap a label on anything.

Your either in it 100 percent or your not, you dont pick and choose what suits your needs, its just like everything else in their "beliefs" ideals, whatever you want to call it.