How To Bring Down Assad/Syria Fast and Save Lives

There is a very easy way to take down the Assad regime without him using chemical weapons on his own people.

If America and its allies gave the Free Syrian Army anti-tank weapons, radios and simple arms, things that could not be used against America in the future, Assad's forces would be overwhelmed. For example, if America gave the opposition the RG-7, a simple anti-tank weapon, Syria's old tanks would be destroyed. Such a weapon can't damage American tanks, so there is very little for us to loose..

Or we can just keep watching every day hundreds of innocent people die.

thediplomat.com...

Originally posted by travis911
If America and its allies

did anything EXCEPT fuel more violence, the world would be a happier place.

Seriously, give guns to alciada to make things peaceful and happy?

Seriously?

There are other things you can give people that don't kill them. You do know that?

reply to post by travis911


And you really believe that if the "us and its allies" are interested in syria, it's because they want to save lives ?

why would you want to do anything?

its none of your business, lets these people sort out their own mess.

There is information that things may not be as simple as some would have us believe (what's new?). Here is a report that was sent to George Ure at his site:

"I have a guy working for me from Damascus. His mother and sisters are there now, and they talk every day by phone. I let this go because you have been on vacation, and didn’t want to bother you and E. This stuff is going to unroll as it will regardless, because Americans are disconnected from their government until they decide to unite and TTBO (throw the bastards out).

My guy told me that his family is now on a hill on the outskirts of the city, along with thousands of others. They are surrounded by “rebels”, and it is Syrian army that is protecting them at this point, and trying to get them out and away from the city. The “rebels” are composed of unknown people, mostly not Syrians and many of them that are Syrians are known jihadistas – end of the world types known as local nutjobs anyway. Looting is rampant, and everyone that has left their homes has had all their possessions stolen or burned – they have nothing.

Yes, there are Syrian troops firing into the city, but the resident Syrians are (mostly) not there anyway. The army has been moving them out so they can get at the “rebels”. Tariq told me that his sisters have seen the rebels murdering women and children for weeks, simply shooting anyone that doesn’t profess to wanting a jihad and to destroy the Assad regime. Men are not questioned but shot if they do not take up arms with the “rebels”.

Many men have taken up arms to avoid being shot when cornered by rebels. Many sneak away and try to flee at first opportunity. His family has been in a state of running and hiding for 4 weeks, calling him many times during the day. They are trying to get to the Lebanese or Turkish border. The hill they are on is Qudissah or something like that, but they were trying to get to Lebanon and got cut off by ”rebels”.

There are “rebel” strongholds in Lebanon from what they were telling him. The rebels all have radios – they are always talking to each other or someone via radio – so there is likely someone in charge of coordinating them somewhere, but this is no spontaneous uprising of rebels. Tariq literally spits when anyone tries to tell him these are “freedom fighters” and gets all unglued, so I had to tell the others to keep their politics to themselves in the shop.

Anyway, thought I would get this to you since you should be back by now. Tariq’s position is that this is actually a huge Middle East thing where the progressives (moderate folks who want business and civilization and a degree of freedom) are being coerced and made to embrace jihad by the not-so-fringe Muslim jihadistas.

As a method to get a regime toppled, this has ‘low hanging fruit’ all over it, because arming these types, bringing more in and then pouring a little religious zealotry gas on it meant instant ignition. Same thing could happen here with rabid Christian right types if things are framed correctly by those wishing it…

source

What can we believe??

reply to post by travis911


The U.S. and it's allies have been supplying the rebels with arms, they've been doing it since before the uprising.
The western govts want regime change in Syria, they want Al Qaeda in charge but don't want to be seen supporting them, that's why they are using mercenaries instead of the U.N. to "bring peace"

Originally posted by travis911
There is a very easy way to take down the Assad regime without him using chemical weapons on his own people.

If America and its allies gave the Free Syrian Army anti-tank weapons, radios and simple arms, things that could not be used against America in the future, Assad's forces would be overwhelmed. For example, if America gave the opposition the RG-7, a simple anti-tank weapon, Syria's old tanks would be destroyed. Such a weapon can't damage American tanks, so there is very little for us to loose..

Or we can just keep watching every day hundreds of innocent people die.

thediplomat.com...

your job sucks

reply to post by travis911


Let me make sure I understand you right...

You want the US to aid the Free Syrian Army that is made up of men who fought against US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan under the Al Qeada banner?

Yeah I see nothing wrong with that all. Typical US policy, aid, equip, arm and train your enemy so we never run out of war.

and by the way I got news for you... we see a few hundred people die every day right here at home due to cars, starvation, exposure, and any number of different things. I find it funny when people make a statement like you did about a couple hundred dying in Syria everyday, so I must ask, how sure are you about who actually killed those people?

reply to post by abdel


Your affirmations are lacking something essential : sources. Please provide them (and no, "google it" is not an answer).

Neither is all answer similar to "this is well known". Sorry, but that's important, sources must be mentioned.

reply to post by Ook33


This is from the Guardian.
www.guardian.co.uk...

Syria's president Bashar al-Assad has promised to display captured foreign "mercenaries" who have been fighting his regime and denounced western governments for failing to protest at the violence being perpetrated by his enemies.

And this is from C.N.N
articles.cnn.com...
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President Barack Obama has signed a covert directive authorizing U.S. support for Syrian rebels battling President Bashar al-Assad's forces, U.S. officials told CNN on Wednesday.

But I must admit, most of my post was pure speculation.

Originally posted by harryhaller

Originally posted by travis911
If America and its allies

did anything EXCEPT fuel more violence, the world would be a happier place.

Seriously, give guns to alciada to make things peaceful and happy?

Seriously?

There are other things you can give people that don't kill them. You do know that?

Like Alciada does not get all the weapons they need anyway, so it does not make a difference on that front. And Syrians have been blowing up tanks, so either they have a sufficient ammount of AT-Weapons or are already being supplied.

reply to post by abdel


Thanks a lot for your answer and the sources you provided, Abdel !

reply to post by Ook33


I didn't want to insult you with just a YouTube link.

reply to post by travis911


Dear OP,

I admire your guts to speak up freely, without fear or favor, despite the many here whom seem to have disassociated from realities, toss barbs or utter lies as if they think ALL ATS members are fools without brains.

Facts, witness accounts, UN observers, irrefutable pictures of civilian apartments, in hundreds of neighbourbgoods, torned apart by tanks and heavy artillery ammo, which only the Syrian Regime has and used over the past 16 months to slaughter his own citizens, do not lie, no matter how much spin on ATS Assad lovers and the hate-USA but stand up for tyrants crowd will try for.

Your idea is certainly a good one, but unfortunately, it is not possible right now because:-

1. The UN Security Council had not authorised any military intervention, thanks to China CCP govt and that old fossil Putried Putin vetos, whom both prefer the mass slaughtering of citizens, than to see their fellow human slayer Assad gets knocked down. After all, those 2 govt leaders come from parties that holds mankind in disdain, for decades.

To supply such arms would be considered unilateral action akin to foreign intervention, actions that are determined by individual states and not through an united world, even though it was done only to prevent further butchery of innocents by the HumanSLayer Assad, who have VAST quantities of arsenel, even chemical biological weapons, long supplied by his fellow humanslayer buddy Putin.


2. The claim that the rebels are all 'radical Islamists' as claimed by the HumanSlayers axis group is nothing more than blatant lies. Ever see 'radical Islamists' by the thousands standing ground to defend cities anywhere? Those are only civilians whom had witnessed their own loved ones tortured, brutally slaughtered before their own eyes and now resort to fighting back.

When the leader of a society starts mass murdering its own citizens, the rule of law is broken. Justice can only then come from one's own hands.

But because of the term 'radical Islamists', some govts are concerned about supply better arms to them, for fear that those advance arms may be used against those same supplier govts one day.

But the truth is, radical Islamists that exists ALREADY LONG HAD such advance weapons, and had used them often, and don't need resupply.

Iran - the destablizer of our world, have vast quantities of those arms from russia and china, and had long supplied to their puppets - the real radical islamists - hizbollahs R us and the pawns Taliban fools.

You don't get to see those advance weapons used in Syria is only because the Iranian apostate 'spiritual leader' - a wannabe god on earth, who already have dominion over life and death of iranians and fools through intimidation, fear and repression, is a Shia, and a buddy of the HumanSlayer Assad. The butcher Assad will get advance weapons, but most certainly not the Free Syrian People, whom are mostly Sunnis.

Saudi Arabia, Turkey, USA and many other nations were accused of supplying light arms to the Free Syrian Army. It is still only 'accusations'. Thousands of tongues speaking and any idiot can make claims, but no evidences whatsoever. Secret documents? what documents? where? who signed them? Pics, or it didn't happen.


Whatever it is, blackmarket arms and smugglers exists in our world. The Free Syrian People should get in touch with them, to arm and protect themselves and loved ones from the horrific mass murderer Assad, who had not stopped annihilation of citizens since day one.


Some say, having arms will only kill more.

But at the rate the HumanSlayer had been going and is going on still, having No arms will only see MORE slaughtered, as his killing russian-made machines goes on rampages throughout 16 months.

The Free Syrian People SHOULD HAVE been armed long ago. It would have caused the barbaric Assadist to pause, or even given up fighting, as they are only a minority. Tens of thousands would not have needed to die. May the 'brilliant diplomat' - brilliant only in procastination and being blind - Kofi Anan remember this and all his other UN tenureship failures to humanity. Having a heart is not enough in a world still ruled by the remaining few anti-human tyrants.

Originally posted by travis911
There is a very easy way to take down the Assad regime without him using chemical weapons on his own people.

If America and its allies gave the Free Syrian Army anti-tank weapons, radios and simple arms, things that could not be used against America in the future, Assad's forces would be overwhelmed. For example, if America gave the opposition the RG-7, a simple anti-tank weapon, Syria's old tanks would be destroyed. Such a weapon can't damage American tanks, so there is very little for us to loose..

Or we can just keep watching every day hundreds of innocent people die.






have you not been watching the news the syrian rebels (alquieda) have been getting arms they got the arms first to start this so called rebellion the British sas American cia and Israeli mossad are all over this , they have got exactly what they wanted and that is Syria unstable so they can go in to Iran

Originally posted by travis911
There is a very easy way to take down the Assad regime without him using chemical weapons on his own people.

If America and its allies gave the Free Syrian Army anti-tank weapons, radios and simple arms, things that could not be used against America in the future, Assad's forces would be overwhelmed. For example, if America gave the opposition the RG-7, a simple anti-tank weapon, Syria's old tanks would be destroyed. Such a weapon can't damage American tanks, so there is very little for us to loose..

Or we can just keep watching every day hundreds of innocent people die.

thediplomat.com...

why should we? seriously, why?

/start rant
I'm getting tired of my country getting in the affairs of every backwater country on the planet. I'm getting really tired of my country trying to help oppressed people of the world and then being called monsters and warmongers when things don't go exactly to plan. I'm getting tired of my country's wealth being slowly siphoned off into the coffers of third world countries and then being chastised by some D-bags from Europe for "not doing enough".

If i had my way, America would return to it's isolationist stance, at least politically and militarily. We'd let the rest of the world work their own crap out, and let some other western nation take all the financial burdens, all the ugly rhetoric, all the negativity, all the military deaths etc.

But even though that's my stance, and it would probably make my country thrive like never before, I'll be called names and told i don't get it or some other nonsense or that I'm cold-hearted for not wanting to help oppressed peoples around the world.

And people wonder why Americans in general are so snobby towards the rest of the world.

/end rant

Originally posted by travis911
There is a very easy way to take down the Assad regime without him using chemical weapons on his own people.

If America and its allies gave the Free Syrian Army anti-tank weapons, radios and simple arms, things that could not be used against America in the future, Assad's forces would be overwhelmed. For example, if America gave the opposition the RG-7, a simple anti-tank weapon, Syria's old tanks would be destroyed. Such a weapon can't damage American tanks, so there is very little for us to loose..

Or we can just keep watching every day hundreds of innocent people die.

thediplomat.com...

Well since you do not care about Libya anymore then why should it bother you that innocent die in Syria?

Please send a lot of soap to CIA and the president and Hillary so maybe they can get the blood of their hands for the insanity they have created in Libya/Egypt/Syria. I agree that Assad is not good but the other side do not seem any better only worse in a country with minorities that is not Sunni, is a cultural cleansing bloodbath waiting to happen. This is Jugoslavia all over again.

Originally posted by optimus primal

Originally posted by travis911
There is a very easy way to take down the Assad regime without him using chemical weapons on his own people.

If America and its allies gave the Free Syrian Army anti-tank weapons, radios and simple arms, things that could not be used against America in the future, Assad's forces would be overwhelmed. For example, if America gave the opposition the RG-7, a simple anti-tank weapon, Syria's old tanks would be destroyed. Such a weapon can't damage American tanks, so there is very little for us to loose..

Or we can just keep watching every day hundreds of innocent people die.

thediplomat.com...

why should we? seriously, why?

/start rant
I'm getting tired of my country getting in the affairs of every backwater country on the planet. I'm getting really tired of my country trying to help oppressed people of the world and then being called monsters and warmongers when things don't go exactly to plan. I'm getting tired of my country's wealth being slowly siphoned off into the coffers of third world countries and then being chastised by some D-bags from Europe for "not doing enough".

If i had my way, America would return to it's isolationist stance, at least politically and militarily. We'd let the rest of the world work their own crap out, and let some other western nation take all the financial burdens, all the ugly rhetoric, all the negativity, all the military deaths etc.

But even though that's my stance, and it would probably make my country thrive like never before, I'll be called names and told i don't get it or some other nonsense or that I'm cold-hearted for not wanting to help oppressed peoples around the world.

And people wonder why Americans in general are so snobby towards the rest of the world.

/end rant

That stance lead to two World Wars and death at levels no one can imagine in war today. That is why the UN exist and the US and world in general gets involved in conflcits early because they know the cost they will have to pay for doing nothing,

This isn't about saving lives, don't forget it's the West who started this, it's the West who have deliberately created a humanitarian crisis as a pretext for invasion and regime change. The West want as much blood as possible as it will benefit their agenda.

Assad wants peace, he's the one who really cares about the Syrian people. Pull the CIA controlled rebels out, and let Syria get back to peace time

There's another option.

The CIA could discontinue their LARPING session in that part of the world ( and the rest of it really) and mind it's own business, instead of starting proxy wars and terrorist organizations.

I don't really understand why the US is all surprised that Syria is falling apart, since they started the proxy war against Assad's government.

But there you go, propaganda and obfuscation of the facts will do that.

~Tenth