The Problem with Greer

reply to post by AboveBoard

When the foul mercenaries of the Contra-Greer Movement rears their ugly heads, the venom spews, the hate boils and the focus sharpens on the victim of their ganglike verbal violence. ITC, it is Dr. Steven Greer.

Not a doctor among them, a jury of peers? More like a degenerated lynch mob following dogma anywhere it leads.

This isn't a reply to anyone specific; more general purpose.

It would seem there are some that believe Greer actually has a free energy/over unity device.

Free energy, over unity, perpetual motion has been something of a holy grail in engineering and physics.
It's also something of a favorite pastime for charlatans to pop up from time to time selling plans, options, investment opportunity, and/or any other 'in' that separates a mark from his money.

Starting around the mid-twentieth century some people elaborated on this old hat scheme by adding a flying saucer craft around their perpetual motion machine since PM is old hat, and Flying Saucers are so much sexier.
There are plans all over the internet, patents too that tell you how you can build your very own flying saucer/UFO/antigravity/free energy wonder of wonders.
I even created a thread about it: Build Your Own UFO?

Thing is, with all these plans floating around, available all over the place for anyone, their brother, and their dog to fiddle with and build, we've yet to ever see even ONE single working demonstration or proof of concept vehicle, even a small scaled down RC model with a hamster as a test pilot.

The same thing goes for all the free energy, over-unity, perpetual motion machines, and plans for how to build them on the internet. We got nothing.

The show Mythbusters even did a segment on free energy devices:


Spoiler alert: Mythbusters say free energy is BUSTED.

You don't have to agree with them if you don't want to. There's sundry plans freely available on the net for one to download, and hash together oneself. Parts will cost you, of course, and the failure of the device will also cost you the time and effort you put into building it, but, hey, there's more where that came from, so, keep an open mind by all means. Keep testing free energy devices and tell us if ever you find one that works.

Go for the personal flying saucer antigravity craft plans while your at it. Get it all in one go, and tell us how it works out for you. Just think, you could punk Greer at his own game if you had your own saucer craft by gate crashing his cult gatherings and pretending to be the next Valiant Thor with goodwill, peace, crystal rainbow pineal gland vibrationary Jesus powers and other stuff, but, on the condition that everyone liquidates all their worldly goods into a certain Swiss bank account that you claim goes towards giving computers to blind children or something.
You'd be a millionaire before the month is out and a billionaire inside a year even going into business selling personal flying saucers to people.
Here's a patent design from the 1960s to start with

... or, you could realize that there's ample historical precedent for the free energy device con game, and in examination of all the previous examples and contenders that never panned out, you possibly come to the conclusion that, this guy Greer sounds an awful lot like these other guys that spoke with impressive authority where absolutely nothing ever came from any of it.

To short track you with one example, look up Stan Deyo and antigravity. He's been claiming he knows how to build a fully functional antigravity free energy Saucer craft since the 1970s. One of his videos is listed on the thread link I provided above.

Think about it. Look at all the other cases. Don't take my word for it. Look, and ask yourself, what ever happened to all these other miracle machines?

Originally posted by RongoRongo
reply to post by AboveBoard

 

When the foul mercenaries of the Contra-Greer Movement rears their ugly heads, the venom spews, the hate boils and the focus sharpens on the victim of their ganglike verbal violence. ITC, it is Dr. Steven Greer.

Not a doctor among them, a jury of peers? More like a degenerated lynch mob following dogma anywhere it leads.

CIA-OW, baby. Can't keep a true believer down. Never say never again. Oohh-RAH!

A jury of peers for Greer? We'd have to be unscrupulous clowns. We is scrupulous clowns.

Originally posted by fah0436
reply to post by Labrynth2012

 

Greer has been working for years with open U.S. Government sources and secret U.S. and World leaders trying to get them to disclose ET presence.

It is not Greers fault that these leaders don't comply, it is the leaders fault.

And this is were I have my biggest problem with Greer. I don't believe that Government leaders will ever voluntarily disclose their relation with ETs. It simple won't happen. There is to much vested interest in keeping it secret.

Which is why the ETs are now on the verge of disclosing themselves via flybys and eventual first contact. If you read channelled messages from Salusa, Giles GFL and Matthew Ward, that is what they all seem to be saying.

edit on 8/3/2012 by fah0436 because: (no reason given)

The fact that you give credit to anyone claiming they are receiving information through "CHANNELLED" Means puts you right in the crazy bin with Greer. FYI It is extremely easy to add lights to a helicopter or any other vehicle for that matter. You are incorrect in your assumption that only a military helicopter could of had such lights, LED lights are readily available and use very little power pretty much any vehicle could run them without any charging system modifications Also maybe youre from the 1940s when lights were huge and weighed alot but lights now days do not weigh enough to prevent any helicopter, even an ultralight from mounting them. You sir are in extreme denial that Greer ripped you off. You are trying to justify Greer instead of taking it as a lesson learned and moving on.

Originally posted by annella
Can someone tell me HOW Greer earns his money and from whom he gets his money? And his annual income would be another thing Id love to know. Then we can compare it to the salary he earnt as an Emergency room Doc...be great to see the difference.

So lets hear it from the 'ripoff' believers who obviously have info on his financial standing that most of us are not privy to. Dang it!!

Originally posted by IamAbeliever
Greer is a fraud. The only disclosure I would like to hear come out of his mouth is exactly how much money he has actually suckered people out of.

Errr... ummm... OK. I will.

Let's start with physician status. I live not far from Steven Greer. I've been by his estate. I'm in the same general profession. He maintains his physician license with the Commonwealth by paying his biennial fees. He has, however, not practiced medicine since he moved to the Charlottesville, Virginia area in 1998. Though he used to be an E.R. physician, he is not certified (American Board of Emergency Medicine). His emergency room claim is what they call "Self-Designated Practice Areas," which just means he calls himself that. A doctor can call themselves lots of things when filling out their information to the state licensing board.

I have the IRS filings for one of his 501(c)(3) tax-exempt "educational" foundations (CSETI). Greer lists revenue (contributions) for one of his years as ~$956,000. However, he lists $206,854 to a company as expenses for, "training, lectures management, meeting and office space, educational materials, printing books/DVDs." These expenses are then deducted from revenue to get a "total assets" figure of $731,887. But wait!

Oopsie phucking daisy! The company that Greer paid $207,000 to for management/office space/materials/books/DVDs... that company is wholly owned by... guess who... Dr. Steven Macon Greer. So, what Greer has been doing for many years is, deducting expenses from his tax-free foundation for the IRS, but actually paying himself that money, as he wholly owns the company which provides the "services."

Keep in mind the above monetary example only concerns the tax-free donations for one of his foundations - this is NOT his personal income from numerous and other various sources.

He constantly whines about needing money, and begs for donations on countless websites, however, he owns two homes (one on 62 acres):

home #1: $1.3 million/5,600 sq.ft./4BR/4 fireplaces/4 bath/2 half-bath/62 acres
home #2: $1.1 million/3-story brick w/basement/2,835 sq.ft./14 total rooms/6 BR/4½ bath/fireplace in very exclusive area of Washington, D.C.

I have data for his real estate properties, etc., going back to North Carolina. He owned numerous lots/properties in NC - there were perhaps 15 transactions of buying selling property in NC.

He constantly whines and cries about lack of money and pleads for donations, however, back on September 27, 2002, a company Greer owned and was its CEO (now defunct), issued a press release offering a

"...one million dollar "Z Prize" for an energy invention that would dramatically decrease the need for fossil fuels.

The Charlottesville, VA based energy company will provide the $1 million prize to the inventor or inventors who provide a testable prototype of an invention that can serve to either replace current internal combustion energy systems or greatly increase their efficiency. The Z Prize is named after the so-called zero point energy field that many physicists claim is a vast field of energy that can be tapped from the space around an object."

I know a lot about Steven Greer. He is a nutjob, and is functionally delusional. The more I find out about him, the more I discover his nearly endless supply of shell-companies/websites, many of which no long exist. Once they have served their purpose as a money-making machine, he discards them and starts new ventures. He has recently raised about $250,000 by donations for a movie about his work (from 2 donation sites).

OK, that's enough for tonight. Here's a little link for the skeptics among you (doubting the veracity of my claims):

www.vahealthprovider.com/results_generalinfo.asp?License_No=0101057732

Oh, and a little more:

"Steven M. Greer, Emery S. Smith and Deborah Foch have been charged in connection with allegedly operating a commercial venture on a national wildlife refuge."

tinyurl.com/6czcm7h
tinyurl.com/77kmkzw

Insert this into Google Earth to see Greer's 62 acre estate: 37 59 24 N 78 45 31 W

I will be publishing my exposé on Greer in the near future. He involves his wife and sister-in-law in deals and ways to help hide from the public his true wealth, all-the-while begging for more money via donations.

Stay tuned...

I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that.

reply to post by HAL9000beta1


You sir are awesome! Check and mate for the good Doctor. Im also in the medical field.

Myth Busters is a joke and its not as simple as doing it any way you wish. By the way, there is a video that keeps getting taken off, though the guy is filming in his own living room, and demonstrating the method, with his own items, speaking in his own words, and not photocopying or reading from a book, or anything. And yet it is taken off youtube because of some Sitchin estate copyright, as if they own the concept, which they don't indeed.

In fact, you can linky linky any patent and build anything you wish for home use, even if someone tried.

So I won't link the newer put ups for that video. But I will explain something about the video.

Its about SINE or heartbeat/pulse. There are many designs for patterning magnets, and also giving things magnetism, and using coils that create magnetic fields.

When somone does this they need to ensure the magnets are flexible, they can be placed at angles to create a certain hz or reverse hz even. But they need to have give. Like for example he demonstrated putting them in a tube, he used a paper towel or toilet paper tube, so they move.

That creates life not a flat line.

They are also imprinting/coding magnets with different south/north, and patterns of smaller magnets and magnets retain this information, when you heat the plain one up and then press the smaller ones in patterns.
Also you overcome the opposite repulsions for some.

There is alot of play involved.

But the devices have already been made, people have already died and some in prison. One man turned down the buy off money for them to bury the patent, he knew that is what would happen. So big corp took him to court for being crazy to turn it down and he got shipped off to a mental institute in colorado for a time.

Its a really twisted world we're in.

People need to stop posturing. Greer and Bearden, trying to manufacture something.

Forget it, just demonstrate it and open source anything you find out, get whole neighborhoods off grid, and it doesnt have to look pretty, that kind of stuff comes later.

Its all interrelated to Coils and Sine and Magnetism and Scalar Waves and is the whole Philadelphia experiment that John Hutchinson was duplicating on his own, and their use of it. Free energy or over unity, pretty much amounts to the same thing. From what i've been told, hydrogen fuel also has a tremendous release force and alot of power, so its also overunity in a sense.

reply to post by Unity_99


That's just more stories, and no working proof of concept model. Not one.
I've got links to patented devices up in my previous post, and linked in another thread about building your very own personal antigravity free energy flying saucer.

There's lots of talk. Lots and lots and lots of talk. Tons of claims, and even more stories about somebody somewhere that knew this guy that did something amazing but was suppressed by insert suppression method here.

It's tired.

No more stories. We've heard enough stories.

Give us a working proof of concept.

Not promises. Not "coming soon". No excuses about scary bogeymen big government KGB.

Since everyone that's supposedly tried has supposedly been treated like and outlaw, then, every single attempt in the future should be expected to be treated as such also, so, instead of being greedy, or secretive, or paranoid, show everyone proof of concept from 25 different angles of video with lots of independent verification, then scatter the plans to the open source winds where everyone everywhere all over the planet can tinker with them.

Easy peasy.

Greer, however, will not do this. He makes lots of noise about DISCLOSURE, but, he's not really doing any such thing his own self, and he's certainly not doing it for free, or for the betterment of all mankind. No, whatever he's doing, he's doing for profit, and he's doing for selfish gain.

He has done more good than he ever could have staying a surgeon.

Why does this myth perpetuate? Please provide a link showing he was ever a surgeon. He was/is not.

Greer has not practiced medicine since 1998.

Click HERE to view Greer's medical history

reply to post by Unity_99
You could settle all this Greer discussion once and for all by asking one of your special visitors if they've ever met him? Ask one of them what the word on the street is about Greer. Do they think we should trust him...or not? As Earth's Chief Ambassador, how's he been doing? You probably shouldn't mention the bit about the dead baby though...

Whilst you're at it, you could settle something else too. According to Greer, aliens are drawn to blinking lights - they cannot resist a flashing LED. When you ask about Greer, why not start moving a beam of light in an arc on your wall? Here's the clever part - while they're trying to work out what the heck it is,,,clickety click!

It's photograph time!

reply to post by HAL9000beta1
Interesting. I always had the suspicion that he'd made up the MD thing but there it is...a genuine MD.

Just like politicians and policemen - not every doctor has their ethics screwed on tight.

reply to post by Kandinsky


I knock on my soul and ask for answers and get peaks under the veil. I have connections to the crafts above and they let me see some things, but I don't ask them anything or pull them in, and have trust for Family and there is a group that is my family watching over. They show me what they show me, what I'm allowed to know, and don't ask for more, not yet and not until prompted. I don't seek from ET, dont channel, knock on my own soul at night and in mediation. I don't like medical checkups and have worked very hard to distance myself from those things occurring.

But If I were to ask my family about him, they would say he is family, is my brother and to pray for him and ask for his safety and for him to recover and that his star family watches over him all the time, and that he has a good spirit and intention underneath everything, no matter how many walls he gets put in his way by intelligence, and I would send love to him, peace and prayers. We have to have good will towards everyone, and understand the situation is not what they would wish, but what the murder incorporate mismangers of this planet wish. I know for sure this is what they would say as that is what I was told when I was very upset with the disinfo of another well known ufology personage who I recognized in soul. In that case my soul stirred and I just spoke out loud and said he was a renegade. He was not meant to start a religion (or change one). I had a weird experience of a projection of myself take off to go to him, and had never known we could do that, send forth projections of soul, and refused, said, no karma, its OK. I did alot of research after that, finding out we're portions of self.

And I got told never to judge anyone, that it was very hard to wake up in this world, and even very advanced souls under the veil don't always do so, and to send him light and prayers and intercessions that he may regain his mission. By that I mean any aspects compromised by murder incorporated bloodlines. And I feel he has had real contact.

So, I know that for Greer would have the same response.

But I'm not a experiencer by choice, and really recommend people understand frequency, and work on all their weaknesses, turning their relationships around. Have positive good loving thoughts under the stars, coming from a positive heart.

reply to post by fah0436

You would have to find and ask them.
We kept our distance from them, but did see them drive or walk by every few hours.
Under the Permit Greer got, the park agreed not to interfere with or snoop on what we where doing.
That's all I know.

Funny, at first you said:

There were skeptics. And far far too many strange things happened on the beach, on the water and in the sky that could not possibly be staged on a public beach patrolled 24/7 by park rangers.

So now you're saying that Greer had some sort of arrangement with the Park Rangers not to snoop or interfere, which means that Greer could have staged anything he wanted to.

By the way, the other well known ufologist was Billy Meier, who was supposed to be there for the discovery of the Talmud of Judas. And that is an interesting document. He said he only edited it but I found his energy signature flying off the page and I have energy recognition. Now that was Aug 09, when influx of energy and I was having memories come and could remember people, a woman on youtube, Billy Meier, my ex, we all come in waves, through the decades, and we all knew each other's missions before incarnating. Of that group one was for sure on mission, I never think I am. But when I was told to read that talmud by a freind who was highly promoting it and found it compromised information much akin to the Georgia Guidestones and the same group is behind it. In fact IMO Meiers is Mossad. I just feel that about him It keeps coming to me. And when I got to the parts on gays and a really sexist part about how, men are sinners and some terrible smiting needs to happen I gathered but female homosexuals are fine, no problems, they're not seed bearers. And guys just love to watch them I gathered.

Anyway I was livid, i said, he is a renegade! Just like that. But he also has family watching over him and loves him very much and he also has a lot of integrity, in his own way, so I can't judge what he may also have been forced into.

I get the veil lifting at times and remember people, know them, not the details but strong sense of recognition and from whence we came, and we're all family but there are family groups as well, and there is never coincidence, the people in your lives are family as well, and some are there to straighten out the past, some you have come to help, or they came to assist you in a growing lesson, usually there is something hard in it.

I got contact the next day from my family group regarding judging anyone ever.

Only controlling ETs, the slavers, do religion. Positives do not involve in any form of lies, or control or religion. That is a renegade. Spirituality is a completely different matter. And there are light squares in some of the earthly religions if you have a truly loving heart and can see what is really there and don't take it literally or harm anyone because of the dark side codes in them. But no, ET's don't do religions. The particular soul family I'm talking about is Lyra. And we call that group pleaidian/ple'o'sha'n. However, there is an enormous amount of protocol up there too, so I still wait for the whole curtain to part and get the whole picture.

Without reaching for the dramatic-bag, just because somebody is
a professional doesn't necessary mean he maintains noble qualities.

Take this guy...
Doctor...

...Maybe this misunderstood man?
Tricky...

Or this chap.
Doctor...

I assure you there are many more listed and sadly, quite a few
waiting in the wings. It's a human trait.

But let's just hope, huh?!

If anyone has an experience with any off planet intelligence, that flies in those crafts and comes bearing a religion, tell them they're renegades and ask for help from Higher Self and if you have faith, then your faith in Love and Goodness/God is the right thing, ask for angel help if you use that word. It doesnt matter what terms we use, what programs we have, its the intention of our heart with regards to this.

I would be giving them a lecture about the big U-Turn they need to make to be truly happy. And have done that to those who conduct questionable medical.

Your own faith is not exactly at odds with what I'm saying either. For there are new age of aquarius religion(s) planned, and the old ones are bad enough, but I still believe in Family and Goodness, and Teamwork, help is constantly around us, faith in Love is not miisplaced and renegades are not safe to be around.

Just case you have not seen it. This is a good and informative film.
Jump to 12:00

UFO Alien Contact

reply to post by HAL9000beta1

I will be publishing my exposé on Greer in the near future.

Will it be as unresourceful, unbalanced, uninteresting and unusually vindictive as your post and the near entirety of this thread? Of course.

Forget it. Save yourself the finger skin.

Originally posted by subliminal1284
reply to post by HAL9000beta1

 

You sir are awesome! Check and mate for the good Doctor. Im also in the medical field.

Being a patient does not place you in the medical field.