Obama backs race-based school discipline policies

reply to post by dogstar23

I'm interested to know whether you have some research available to back that up

yes i do but it's not postable here.
tis protected/private information atm.
the % guesstimate is just that, a guesstimate but one based on more than opinion.

however, there is a cool show on TV that is exploring the distant pasts of well-known public figures ... let's see if i can find the name of it.
(accidentally stumbled on an episode featuring Sikes, that's how i found that one out)

as for me, let's just say that after age 40, i have come to discover 10 siblings previously unknown to me.
in my research since, i've learned ALOT.
(and that "6 degree" factor is pretty interesting too)

it might be one or two individuals out of 1,000 in the width of one's way-back family tree

close, but that depends on how you view the tree.
sometimes, you'll find multiple times removed attachments (cousins of cousins kind of thing), but i've been focusing on more direct connections ... parents of parents of parents kind of lines.

it's been a remarkable journey to say the least as my own family has many secrets yet to be discovered

just kind of guessed based on my understanding of who the slave owners were.

and that's a common misconception i subscribed to myself.
truth be told though, we have not had access to such information until the internet.
[which is another reason i preach -- use it before you lose it]

you'll find mucho data from census info, ship manifestos, property tax info, vital records, stuff like that. (the census info though, that'll really give you a better picture of the day)

Now, my great-grandparents all emigrated here around the late 1800's, after slavery was outlawed, and had no earlier relatives here, so from that standpoint I'm "in the clear" (not that I would have had any control over it either way)

1800s eh ?? i'd almost bet dollars to doughnuts you'd be wrong.
it would be much more likely that at some point, they did mingle with someone who descended from either slave or owner. (it really was that prevalent ALL OVER the Americas of the day)

this one is correct ...

Or is my understanding of who owned slaves off-base?

there were more "household assistants" (ie slaves) in 2 nothern states than in 4 Southern states worth of "plantation" magnates. (details are in that thread i posted earlier)

when the EP was implemented, it did NOT apply to any Union slaves.
they didn't become "free" but they certainly procreated.
(this is another reason the "Mulatto" descriptive came into play)

gotta pull a couple links and the puter isn't cooperating so i'll finish this next posting.
for now, here's a good one ...

americancivilwar.com...
The fact is large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves; in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large. In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.
-- snip --
According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

Originally posted by inverslyproportional
reply to post by PvtHudson

 

I have never been one to descriminate based off of anything other than personal actions. Having said that, all my life I have seen others get treated differently based on everything but. I have nnever been in any trouble at all EVER. The worst thing I ever did was get my dl suspended for speeding tickets, and 1 driving while suspended. This was back in my teens and very early 20s, I am 34 now.what is the point of following the rules personally when others get a pass because their backwards coulture makes them more prone to do illegal acts? I am white, I have never been prejudiced because of race or religion.

However in light of the facts that if your black you get any number special treatments and hand outs I can't have because I am white, I am reconsidering my personally held beliefs in equality. I mean what is the point of being the last honest nonracially motivated man on earth? If I see one more minority get preferential treatment based off of race I am going to start my own white race group, so as to guarantee that we also get a piece of the pie.

Before any of you start with your crap about " whtes get everything handed to them just because they are white" I call BS. I have never gotten ahead once in my life, I have never gotten anything at even a discounted price based on being white. I have however seen thousands of blacks play the race card because they weren't pndered to because they are black.

If whites and blacks are really equally inteligent, then why the need to pull all this crap to stop them failing in the "white mans world" I mean look around, illegal mexicans that can't even speak english seem to get on just fine, and that it is at less than minimum wage that blacks and whites are getting. I have worked along side people from all over. Africans from rwanda, ethiopia,and niger. Blacks haiti and jamaica. The only thing they share in common with their American cousins is that they have black skin. They all just seemed to want to work and feed their families.

This isn't even counting the peoples of middle eastern decent, which for the most part all seem to be like me, just trying to feed their kids. Also I have worked with many different asian peoples. Japanese, chinese, koreans, vietnamies, and tai. None of them seem to havve this problem either.

It is for all intents and purposes, exclusively an American black problem. I don't know what their problem is, I can't fix it either. They have to want to live differently or they never will.

Maybe if blacks would teach their kids values and personal responsibility, instead of glorifying criminals and gangsters they wouldn't be at the bottom of the barrel. Oh ya that's right I forgot, they would havve to actually be around their kids instead of in jail, or gangbanging, or slining rocks to teach their kids anything.

Once again it isn't blacks in general, it is however American blacks that need to get some act right. Get over yourselves. " boo hoo hoo, but you weren't slaves you don't know what it is like." Well genius neither were you. All you. Know is it is a crutch you keep using to beat the horse that's been dead longer than I have been alive.

Oh BTW I am from an irish family that immigrated here during the potato famine, I think I know plenty well what discrimination looks like. So save you crybaby crap for your probie, criminal.

reply to post by dogstar23

it would mean that slave owners families thrived FAR beyond that of non slave owners families.

well yeah ... the Jefferson AA descendants have been fighting over Monticello all the days of my life. ( in case you're not familiar ... www.monticello.org... )

If neither is the case, it would indicate that slave-owning is a greater survival technique than any genetic trait in existence.

this makes no sense whatsoever.
how would any "gene" identify a slave-owner ??
are you catching any of those stars for which you're reaching?

would mean that slave owners families thrived FAR beyond that of non slave owners families.

well yes, because even though slavery was disbanded, it didn't change the DNA passed between slaves & owners, children or future offspring.

here's basic math ok ??
you = 5 children
Slave Owner = 2 children with each of 50 women (slaves)
which bloodline do you think will die out first ??

Originally posted by Teeky

So true!
Man, it's 2012 and we are all still very racist.

White people and Black people need to leave the past behind. When White people say I wasn't born I didn't enslave Black people it's a copt out. It's like the so called Kennedy curse. Whatever the Kennedy's did to obtain their power/fortune their relatives to this day seem to be paying for it.

With all due respect, viewing the situation from Native American perspective, it seems to me that the Blacks are now much, much, MUCH more racists than the whites are. I see it all the time and it's gotten horrendously and incrementally worse in the past decade.

Would you please explain how it's a cop out for today's whites to say (truthfully, I might add) that they had nothing to do with slavery? Though the Emancipation Proclamation and a second order passed much earlier, we'll say slavery ended with the passing of the 13th Amendment (Dec 1865). That's 146-1/2 years ago. How is anyone alive today responsible for an institution that went into place in the 1600s?

Shall we (Native Americans) blame all living Veterans and men currently serving in the military (and, yes, that would include Black men) for the actions of those following orders of the U.S. government for the genocide committed upon Native Americans in the 1800s? Using your logic, would it not be logical that all non-Native American military personnel carry a similar "Kennedy Curse" and, therefore, they need to somehow reimburse Native Americans for all the government ordered slaughter of our People.

You DO realize it was a Black man who first permanently enslaved Black people, right? Anthony Johnson the first recognized slave holder in American history Or were you not taught that in school, either? Prior to that Court action, both European and African slaves came here as indentured servants. Had that one Black man not filed suit and permanently enslaved John Casor, permanent servitude might have never happened. I believe that is an important point. So, how are whites responsible TO Blacks for the actions OF a Black person?

Originally posted by Teeky

Slavery happened to provide free labor to build the country. You've heard the saying "nothing in life is free"... Maybe if Whites would've just paid reparations in the past and left Black people alone our socitey wouldn't be so racist today. Also as for Black People it's time to let go of slavery.

That is incorrect. Prior to about 1800, people in the North wanted slaves for labor while people in the South wanted slaves as servants. Obviously, we all know that the greatest majority of slaves were in the South due to the agricultural industry. That said, slaves did not "build the country." The greatest westward expansion happened AFTER the Civil War and it is widely known that *most* Blacks either went North to the big cities or remained in the South with or near the families who had previously owned them.

Who is/was to pay the reparations? White slave owners only? Black slave owners, too (there were a lot of them). Native Americans? There were a few of them, though the "slaves" they purchased were virtually always brought into the Tribe or Clan as a member.

Originally posted by Teeky
Black people need to let it go. It happened and yes it's held us back, but now we have the opportunity that most people around the world don't have. Black people need to save themselves.

I agree very much with you on that part. It also applies to many Native Americans.

But, I will say this: if Black people expect reparations because SOME of them had ancestors who were slaves 146-1/2 years ago, they need to expect it from themselves, too. And they might want to give a thought to who is going to issue reparations to the Native Americans because it isn't just whites living on our land, Black folks live on it, too. Food for thought.

reply to post by dogstar23
here's a link to the TV series i mentioned.
i cannot view video on this machine so you'll have to search and view what you want.
www.pbs.org...

ny times article about the show and the episode i mentioned ... www.nytimes.com...

She was also crushed to discover that two of them owned slaves themselves.

another tidbit i learned that day ...

Johni Cerny, who is the chief genealogist for Mr. Gates’s television programs, noted that many African-Americans with white ancestry could trace their heritage beyond the 1600s to European ancestors. She said 85 percent of African-Americans have some European ancestry .
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“The unique thing about Wanda is that she descends from 10 generations of free Virginia mulattos, which is more rare than descendants of mixed-race African-Americans who descend from English royalty,” Ms. Cerny wrote in an e-mail message.

More than 1,000 mixed-race children were born to white women in colonial Virginia and Maryland, but their existence has been erased from oral and written history, said Paul Heinegg, a respected lay genealogist and historian. Mr. Heinegg’s Web site, freeafricanamericans.com, features books and documents like tax lists that provide information about those families.

Originally posted by nightstalker46

Originally posted by de_Genova

Look at all those stars already

Great work Vitruvian.......its about time somebody had the balls to face up to the reality of the way people of color have been so MAL - treated and abused in America.............. We owe them - so REPARATIONS ARE IN ORDER TOO - bigtime
Watch and see - but it'll come about as a result of UNITED NATIONS actions and not on the part of the government.............Otherwise it'll come to a civil war that'll make the war between the states look like a muffin march - a cake walk.............[

edit on 28-7-2012 by de_Genova because: wrong way harrigan

Yea. You would like that wouldn't you
I smell a tag team political operative trolling here. Seems you both signed up about the same time in 2010.No personal info. on your membership page. Both using the same race baiting divisive code words that the radical left is famous for. .

You don't know what you're talking about: Vitruvian and deGenova are NOT the same person OK?

NOR are they part of a so-called "Tag Team" as your accusations infer........stupidly.

NOTE BELOW .........the difference in dates from when I signed up at ATS and when V signed up is over two (2) years Did you get that? 2 years separate me from Vitruvian - whom I do admire for his honesty and intelligent postings throughout the Forums. Are your contributions anywhere near equal to his? Doubtful.........

When all is said and done your suspicions betray signs of paranoia and are rather silly....... I laugh

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The non slave owning colonies prospered far greater than the slave owning colonies

you might want to re-check your history ... the South far out-prospered the North --> which happens to be one of the real reasons behind secession.

www.nps.gov...
The South, for its part, was the fourth richest economy in the world and seemed destined to play an ever-greater role in fueling the growth of England and France as well as the North. The slave property of the South was worth three times all the railroads and factories of the North, combined, in 1860.
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The South underwent a particular kind of economic growth, quite unlike that in the North, for plantations accounted for much of the economic energy in the South and the South rapidly replicated its profitable plantation model over an enormous area. In the process, slave states did not generate the population density that sustained towns and economic development in the free states, and to the eyes of northern visitors the slave South looked underpopulated and underdeveloped. The slave South developed less manufacturing than the North because agriculture was so profitable in the South, because available capital went into purchasing more enslaved people and more land, and because no structural or seasonal surplus of wage labor was available for factories.

Come on guys whats the real issue here? Is it because some black kids might get some education? NOOOOOO! The real issue is some Light skinned people are angry they're losing their coveted #1 spot. Come on, I'm just saying what every black guy on this thread is thinking. At least you guys have a head up on your extinction level event. The Dinosaurs didn't have that luxury.

Maybe that's why you guys put up so many pictures of white Jesus, so we can have something to remember you by in 100 years. Hey but there's a bright side to all of this... You guys are probably the last Generation that'll have to apologize, Cause all your grandchildren will all be mixed

I use to be angry at white people for not acknowledging slavery, but then I got the news, that there's only a handful of you left. I was like: "THANK YOU BLACK JESUS!!!!!!! Cause White Jesus would never allow that to happen". You don't need to apologize to us, You need to apologize to Black Jesus,Black Moses, Black Jews, I can go on and on but you get the point.

So in conclusion, don't apologize to me, Your extinction is apology enough.






Well, not everyone's going there...

Originally posted by nightstalker46
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
So I guess we're going to pick random white people to send to prison to balance things out then?

 

Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com

 

You might be interested in this little tidbit.
Corrections Corp. of America offers to buy prisons in all 48 states. [with a guaranty of a 90% occupancy rate built into the contract]
www.huffingtonpost.com...

edit on 29-7-2012 by nightstalker46 because: adding link

reposting this with emphasis cause i think most just breezed on by it ... and for your own safety, some might want to read it, then go study up on "Reconstruction" and what happened to the Southern labor force (slaves) ... they found/were directed to a new home but it often wasn't of their own choosing.

So sad that this thread gets this far without any realizing it is a bogus right wing source.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
So sad that this thread gets this far without any realizing it is a bogus right wing source.

what difference does the source matter in this case ?? we are discussing Obama's current policy abomination of which a copy is presented in both the OP/opinion piece and later in the thread.

since you have no commentary regarding the EO, who cares what the source's opinion is ??

Originally posted by Illumin Not I


Come on guys whats the real issue here? Is it because some black kids might get some education? NOOOOOO! The real issue is some Light skinned people are angry they're losing their coveted #1 spot

. Come on, I'm just saying what every black guy on this thread is thinking. At least you guys have a head up on your extinction level event. The Dinosaurs didn't have that luxury.

Maybe that's why you guys put up so many pictures of white Jesus, so we can have something to remember you by in 100 years. Hey but there's a bright side to all of this... You guys are probably the last Generation that'll have to apologize, Cause all your grandchildren will all be mixed

I use to be angry at white people for not acknowledging slavery, but then I got the news, that there's only a handful of you left. I was like: "THANK YOU BLACK JESUS!!!!!!! Cause White Jesus would never allow that to happen". You don't need to apologize to us, You need to apologize to Black Jesus,Black Moses, Black Jews, I can go on and on but you get the point.

So in conclusion, don't apologize to me, Your extinction is apology enough.

Well, not everyone's going there...

Do you plan to also thank Black Anthony Johnson?

Linky

I apologize but the ex-text feature won't work for me, so I will bold the particularly pertinent paragraphs from the article:

"John Casor was a black man who lived in Northampton County in the Virginia Colony in the mid 17th Century. He was an indentured servant to a man named Anthony Johnson. Their story is intertwined, and the importance of Casor's story is inextricable from Johnson's. After fifteen years of service, John Casor tried to transfer the balance of his servitude to another person, Robert Parker. Anthony Johnson refused to relinquish his claim to Casor, citing "Thee had ye Negro for his life."

"Johnson took Robert Parker to court over Casor, and the court's decision in Johnson v Parker would set the tone for black and white relations in America for the next three hundred years. Anthony Johnson won his case, and it was decided that Casor owed Johnson his service, indefinitely. The ruling made John Casor the first person in U.S. history to officially become a slave; subsequently making Anthony Johnson the first recognized slave holder in American history.

"The twist in the John Casor incident has to do with an ironic commonality between him and his master, Anthony Johnson - they both were black. Johnson had been brought from Angola to the new world as an indentured servant. He (Johnson) paid for his freedom after years of service, and by the time it was declared that John Casor was his property, Anthony Johnson had become a prosperous tobacco planter."

Few seem to want to read the link I've provided, so now I've copied 3 paragraphs in to make it easier for you.

I'm glad you're no longer "angry at white people," though the rest of your post seems to provide supporting evidence that your statement was not a completely true one.

Why not be angry with the educational system and the politicians who do not want it known that it was a Black man who first permanently enslaved Black people? Why not be angry with those who foment your ignorance and your hate? Despite what you claim, you still come across as deeply filled with hate.

Did your Black Jesus help out Black Anthony Johnson? Where was your Black Jesus for Black John Casor? Where would all Americans be now had Anthony Johnson not won his lawsuit? Spend some time thinking on that. You, if you are Black, have history (Court records) showing you that you, as a race, were betrayed by one of your own.

You are a shining example of the extreme racism I have been taking note of for the past 10 years or so. Blacks are far more racist toward whites than the reverse. I remember the '60s, '70s and '80s quite well and people were getting along quite well. The '90s seem to spur the shift and the past 12 years it has been patently obvious to anyone who has eyes.

You look forward ... no, that is not quite correct ... you come across as gleefully giddy at the thought of the demise of a race but you feel validated in doing so because of something that never happened to you and that was brought on by the actions of a Black man? Can you explain how that makes you a rationally thinking individual?

All of you people need to learn something - Asian, Black, Hispanic, Native American, White - all of you learn this: WE ARE ALL RELATED. We .. Americans .. humanity ... we will NOT get through what is coming unless we come to terms with that.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
So sad that this thread gets this far without any realizing it is a bogus right wing source.

Equally sad that you assign contempt prior to investigation.

For your edification; that you know it is not a bogus ISSUE:

Executive Order -- White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for African Americans

I hope this makes you feel better about the thread and reduces your sadness.

ETA: Just noticed you've been a member here for six YEARS. Six years on ATS, yet you complain of the source while disregarding the issue? Not THAT is what's sad.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by RealSpoke

Uhhh, maybe you should try going to a ghetto school and see what it is like. There is a reason that the graduation rates are so low...it is a hell hole that does not educate people.

Move out of the Ghetto.

Problem solved.

Lmfao don't suggest something like that if you've never been in those shoes.

reply to post by Teeky


Teeky, you claim that reperations should be paid for the slavery of african americans over 150 years ago. Are you willing to pay repreations for your ancestors from Africa that enslaved other African tribes that made the slave trade such a success? How can a group of people demand something from another group of people for what their ancestors (who we never meet nor agreed with) did? By your logic you should be paying reperations as well.

Oh well now this changes everything, thanks for enlightening me, I didn't know it was a Black man that started 400 years of white crimes against humanity. I mean not like he didn't learn this was ok from his white slave masters or anything like that. This would be completely relevant if you can show the boat records where Anthony Johnson "removed" John Casor from his country, and made him a slave. That's like blaming the Chinese guy who sold the kid the Gremlin and not the idiot that kept feeding him for 2 movies. So Anthony Johnson is the cause of 300 years of black oppression, He started the Klan meetings, taught how to tie the knots ETC.

All you showed was that one person based on learning techniques from white people did the same things, this is called "learned by example".

it was a Black man who first permanently enslaved Black people?

I would love for one day a white person to walk into Harlem, or any predominate AA community, and listen to the reactions. Maybe you'll be met with standing ovations for helping us with our confusion. Try it out and get back to me with that.

I remember the '60s, '

I'll make sure that I inform the AA community that there's this guy on the internet who remembers the 60's quite differently than us black folks.
I'm gonna assume since the 60's were full of Hallucinogenics I'm gonna assume you were quite giddy during those times. In fact why don't you just tell us where you live at and I'll tell all my black friends we should move over there cause apparently where ever you lived 60's Civil Rights movement didn't happen. the buses skipped over your town. You were completely oblivious to what was happening for an entire DECADE. The Civil rights movement wasn't a 30 day movement. Or perhaps you were watching the Amos and Andy show... You know that wasn't a documentary right? Or the 60's Black Panther party was literally a birthday party for imaginary racism cause it didn't happen it was already over hundreds of years before

You look forward ... no, that is not quite correct ... you come across as gleefully giddy at the thought of the demise of a race but you feel validated in doing so because of something that never happened to you and that was brought on by the actions of a Black man? Can you explain how that makes you a rationally thinking individual?

The fact that I pointed out the demise of a race, is a fact, but not actually pertaining to AA, that is solely White People problems.

reply to post by SeesFar


Here's the Point you want to acknowledge slavery but there's always "But..." instead of just saying yes we accept it. they did it here with black people, they did it in south Africa, they did it to the Native Americans, they do it wherever you set your foot down. That's why you have to invade countries, cause everyone knows what you did to the Native Americans. I fell bad for them and we didn't even have anything to do with that. How greedy were they to actually go to another country and get more people. But You actually suggested that one black guy is the perpetrator of all slavery. and the injustices of the African American race. Bravo.

Originally posted by RealSpoke

150 years ago? Do you think racial discrimination ended after the civil war was over? No. Have you never heard of the civil rights movement. Racism is still on going...

I'm back.

After catching up , reading through the thread, people still skirt the issues. Don't want to offend with the truth now, do we?

Look what this joker wrote in the quote.

Of course Racism still exist, Blacks want it too, and are keeping it alive.

It's their Golden Excuse, cant get a job? a carreer? stay out of prison?

Racism.

Bah, get some Self Pride, some Determination and change your situation..

Originally posted by Illumin Not I
Oh well now this changes everything, thanks for enlightening me, I didn't know it was a Black man that started 400 years of white crimes against humanity.

You're welcome. It was obvious you did not know. Now you do. What you choose to do with the information is no one's responsibility but your own.

Originally posted by Illumin Not I
I mean not like he didn't learn this was ok from his white slave masters or anything like that. This would be completely relevant if you can show the boat records where Anthony Johnson "removed" John Casor from his country, and made him a slave. That's like blaming the Chinese guy who sold the kid the Gremlin and not the idiot that kept feeding him for 2 movies.

So Anthony Johnson is the cause of 300 years of black oppression,

No, Johnson figured it out all on his own. Johnson's "slave master" released Johnson after Johnson had fulfilled his indenture just as the law required him to do; so, no, Johnson didn't take his cue from that person. The records are there. If you were interested enough in learning history instead of being content to feed your own hatred you could find the information as easily as I can.

Anthony Johnson, a Black colonist who came to America in 1619 as an indentured servant, one from the first “20 and odd negroes”, had realized his freedom and was granted fifty acres as was customary in the colonial settlement.

Looky there! "A Black colonist who came to America...' Came as an indentured servant as did thousands upon thousands from all over the world. You were not taught that Black colonists came to this "new" Country, either, were you?

During the late 1640s, Johnson moved with his family to Northampton County on Virginia's Eastern Shore, where he acquired property on Pungoteague Creek and began raising livestock. He was the first African landowner in the colony. By July 1651, he had brought his holdings, which he referred to in a court record as myne owne ground, to 250 acres (100 ha), then a considerable tract by eastern shore standards. He was prosperous enough to import five indentured servants of his own and was granted an additional 250 acres (100 ha) as "headrights".

From the same source: "In 1653 John Casor, a Black man employed by Johnson, said that he had been imported as a "seaven or eight yeares" indentured servant and that after attempting to reclaim his indenture, he had been told by Johnson that he didn't have one. According to the court documents, Casor demanded his freedom, and "Anthony Johnson was in a feare. Upon this his sonne in lawe, his wife and his two sonnes perswaded the said Anthony Johnson to sett the said John Casor free." Casor went to work for Robert Parker, a White colonist who, along with his brother George, later testified that they knew Casor had an indenture. One commentator said that Johnson may have feared losing his headrights land if the case went to court."

Originally posted by Illumin Not I
He started the Klan meetings, taught how to tie the knots ETC.

It was the Democrats who started the Ku Klux Klan.

Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal–the reestablishment of white supremacy–fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s. After a period of decline, white Protestant nativist groups revived the Klan in the early 20th century, burning crosses and staging rallies, parades and marches denouncing immigrants, Catholics, Jews, blacks and organized labor.

As you'll notice, while the KKK perpetrated horrific acts upon Black people, they targeted many others, too. That's the problem with revisionist and hidden history - it makes people angry for all the wrong reasons. Truth is equally difficult as it causes the intelligent person to re-think, re-examine and, sometimes, admit they were used by the very ones they thought protected them.

Originally posted by Illumin Not I
All you showed was that one person based on learning techniques from white people did the same things, this is called "learned by example".

No, Johnson's debt owner released Johnson, as shown above. Johnson committed his atrocity upon Casor of his own accord. Casor appealed to white men he knew to help him. The lawsuit was filed as "Johnson vs Parker;" Parker being the white Colonist who came to Casor's aid.

Out of space to respond to the remainder of your post; however, though that remainder is intentionally baiting, pathetically sarcastic and teeming with intentional ignorance, I will respond out of courtesy