Here it is: Dark Knight shooting suspect James Holmes claiming amnesia, keeps asking 'Why am I here

reply to post by survival

It is so easy to slip '___' into your drink, then plant subliminals into your mind that you can wake up the next morning not knowing what is real.

Thats not even remotely possible with acid. Anyone on an acid trip knows it. Those who can't handle it are paranoid and not anywhere near accepting suggestions. Those who do it voluntarily understand more about sublimation or suggestion than you might think. They would laugh any attempt at suggestion out the room. Its not a date rape drug.

As to this whole drugged up, amnesia scenario, it all adds up perfectly to me. For starters though, my whole theory hangs on the claim that he had taken 100 mg of Vicodin just prior to this event. If this 'fact' turns out to not be factual, then this whole idea falls apart.

If Holmes indeed had taken the 100 mg of Vicodin, that raises many questions. For starters, how did he obtain that amount of pain-killers with no prescription? Or did he have a prescription? If he didn't, then he obviously had someone that he dealt with on a regular basis to obtain the drugs. Why a regular basis? He ingested 100 mg of Vicodin, and wasn't reported to have thrown up or gotten incredibly ill for a short period of time after the incident. A non-habitual user could not tolerate that amount of opiates in the system all at once, without throwing up profusely, and on top of that Vicodin is mainly acetaminophen, the combination of which causes severe nausea and dizziness at high doses.

A habitual user, on the other hand, wouldn't have much problem keeping that dose down, and leads to my next point. Benzodiazepines. These are powerful little drugs that are used in the psychology and neurology medical fields to treat everything from panic attacks to severe psychosis. Used in combination with opiates, addicts report an increased effect of the opiates and powerful euphoric feelings. Certain benzos will also cause severe 'black-outs', literally entire nights can be forgotten with even a relatively low dose of these by themselves. An opiate addict, if Holmes was one, would almost certainly find access to these from his psychologist or his 'street' dealer.

Now, as to Holmes in prison a week later, being an habitual opiate user, is going through withdrawal of the substance. Withdrawal causes a person to look sick, whacked out of their mind, drugged up, and just flat out bad. It also causes severe stomach cramping, and even flu-like symptoms. To me, it is obvious that Holmes is going through an opiate withdrawal, which explains his drugged up look in court, and claims of stomach pains in jail.

To sum it all up, I believe this explains just about all of what has been discussed here regarding his amnesia and drugged look. He was on large amounts of opiates, is now going through withdrawal, and, if he added benzos to the equation, probably formed no conscious memory of the events of that night.

I don't think that he was drugged by anyone other than himself, and that certainly isn't to say that he didn't know what he was going to do. Though, if the theory is correct, then who is his dealer? Is it someone that may have been close to him, or just a random casual contact? Did his psychologist prescribe him any medications that could have contributed to this event? I guess it's impossible to say, at this point.

Originally posted by hartbeat
reply to post by survival

 

Ummmmm I don't know anyone that has not remembered what happened to them after taking '___'....If they say they don't remember they are still trippin then........ acid dosen't give you amnesia....actually you never forget about your experience on acid........good or bad........now some people might take acid and just lose it and go on a perma fry........ but that is rare "ie sid barret style" or most likely already had a few screws lose and then the acid might not let them come back, "perma frys" something in their wiring...... but never heared someone say I dont remember after dosing.......

Star for you.

I find that most people do not know about drug use.

Experiencing it and reading about it are two different ball games.

I personally know

reply to post by nwdogg1982

A hundred milligrams of Vicodin is a low dose. When I get teeth pulled they give me 500 mikes and it just eases the pain of that to tolerable levels. There is less high than just pain relief. I doubt the average 150 lb male would notice much of an effect from a dose 5 times as small.

Not saying your wrong or that he did take anything (else), just sharing my experience with the drug.

Ok, so this guy has BRIGHT RED HAIR. How come none of the 'witnesses' have said that? I mean, how could you not NOTICE the hair color; even if the lights were off? Did the gas mask completely cover his head...or did it just have straps? Lots of things don't make sense. But, like i've said before, MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people have already been brainwashed to believe he's the shooter. So, HE'S THE SHOOTER. Ain't that right, Gus???

Originally posted by SilentNoise
Is there any evidence, video / eye witness, that links him as the shooter? or was it just because he was found wearing the same gas mask etc as the shooter? Because really, how hard would it be to drug some random stranger off the street, dress them up, and toss them where they'll be found.

Finding a patsy is so much easier than trying to brainwash / hypnotize someone.

Well seeing as how he was dressed up with assault gear and police found him with guns at the theater, and they found his apartment rigged with bombs, it's safe to say there's evidence that says he's the shooter. Also, the fact that they have proof he bought the same guns and ammo online that were found at the crime scene. Have you been paying any attention to the details at all? I would do so before creating pointless conspiracy theories.

If you look at his mugshot, he does look pretty strung out. I'm not saying that I believe him or not, but I could say him having a psychotic break and blacking out.

reply to post by Disconnected Sociopath


He's a stupid patsy for a group higher up.........just another puppet, drugged, mind controlled and demonized.

Read Russ Dizdar's The Black Awakening - we're going to see a lot more of these "zombies" in the near future.

Laugh all you want, I did six months ago...................safe journey.

reply to post by intrptr


A normal Vicodin tablet is 500mg acetaminophen/10 mg hydrocodone. A 100 mg dose would mean he only took a 5th of the tablet, if going by the acetaminophen content. Most likely it is meant that he ingested 100 mg of opiate, which would be 10 tablets, a pretty high dose all at once. That's also 5,000 mg of acetaminophen, which wouldn't be kind to the stomach of a non-user.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Disconnected Sociopath

 

He's a stupid patsy for a group higher up.........just another puppet, drugged, mind controlled and demonized.

Read Russ Dizdar's The Black Awakening - we're going to see a lot more of these "zombies" in the near future.

Laugh all you want, I did six months ago...................safe journey.

There's evidence that he planned the attack for months, but no evidence that he's mind controlled. Mass murders like this are pretty common actually, head over to the middle east if you don't believe me. You can believe they're zombies all you want but that doesn't change the reality of it.

Originally posted by nwdogg1982
reply to post by intrptr

 

A normal Vicodin tablet is 500mg acetaminophen/10 mg hydrocodone. A 100 mg dose would mean he only took a 5th of the tablet, if going by the acetaminophen content. Most likely it is meant that he ingested 100 mg of opiate, which would be 10 tablets, a pretty high dose all at once. That's also 5,000 mg of acetaminophen, which wouldn't be kind to the stomach of a non-user.

Okay thanks for setting me straight on that then. Mine were Ibuprofen. That would be ten pills. Thats a dose. The guys that did that bank shoot out in LA used sedatives prior to their robberies to numb the pain of getting shot and ease their "conscience". Maybe that was what he had in mind. He seemed well prepared.

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by SilentNoise
Is there any evidence, video / eye witness, that links him as the shooter? or was it just because he was found wearing the same gas mask etc as the shooter? Because really, how hard would it be to drug some random stranger off the street, dress them up, and toss them where they'll be found.

Finding a patsy is so much easier than trying to brainwash / hypnotize someone.

Well seeing as how he was dressed up with assault gear and police found him with guns at the theater, and they found his apartment rigged with bombs, it's safe to say there's evidence that says he's the shooter. Also, the fact that they have proof he bought the same guns and ammo online that were found at the crime scene. Have you been paying any attention to the details at all? I would do so before creating pointless conspiracy theories.

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interestingly these are the facts that have been presented to the world.

That does not make them true, however.

This could go both ways. So, if he doesn't know why he is actually there(truthfully), that just...scares the # out of me. This probably isn't the word to use, but brainwashing come to mind. If he is playing a game, to buy more time it will work but not much extra time.



When he said his belly hurt, that reminded me of when the joker went to jail in the dark knight. :/

At this point I'm going to believe anything that comes out of James Holmes mouth than what the garbage the Media is trying to fill our heads with!

This kid was set up and I have no doubts about it.

WHY ,devils breath [datura] thats why

reply to post by CONEDESTROYA


Thats possible but I can think of alot of other things they may have used on James Holmes to get him to do what he did.......thats IF James Holmes actually did the shooting!

IF James Holmes was the shooter it would had been completely against his will therefore technically he's innocent and is as much a victim as those who died.

Reply to post by ofhumandescent

I'd also recommend "Programmed to Kill" by David McGowan.


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I am new to this site so hope I am doing this by your rules. I have been reading various threads regarding this case and wanted to say what I thought. There is something definitely wrong with so much. Not to make excuses for the media, but there was so much chaos in the first hours, there would be errors in reporting....all the more reason to back off and report what you know as fact. It doesn't fit that Holmes would go on a killing spree and be out by his car giving up without incident. Why is the gas mask at the end of the parking lot?? Who knows if he even said he was the joker, played with the bags on his hands like puppets....do you think the police are really going to give out truthful information? I won't keep going on and on but so much just doesn't add up. Now the notebook he mailed to the Dr. sat in the mail room for 12 days.....that story changed last night to it being delivered the same day.....and who knows for a fact that he sent it in? I've read so many posts stating he is the fall guy...he could be again here. Those photos of him don't seem to match either.....is it really him? Seeing that I'm new, I won't keep going on and on. When this case first broke, I was dead set against him....until hour by hour, day by day, the story kept changing ...not with updates, but with rewrites or omissions. And he just doesn't look right....normally I would have said he was acting, but there have been so many changes in this story and it's only been a week.....this will be one to keep tabs on

One thing is for sure, if this kid has just snapped out of it and genuinely can't remember a thing.....he's going to be absolutely shocked and beside himself.

One minute you are doing something quite normal and going about your daily business, next minute you wake up in prison and find out you have killed 14 people and injured many dozens of others......

it would be as if you've just stepped in to a really bad dream, better still, the Twlight Zone.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
At this point I'm going to believe anything that comes out of James Holmes mouth than what the garbage the Media is trying to fill our heads with!

Actually, I think you are right about this. I trust the guy and I think he would even admit he had a drug problem and accept the fact that he had done the killings even without remembering them, if that is the case. I don't think he is lying about his memory loss.

I do appreciate the post above me giving the theory of how opiates could cause memory loss. It is a sensible answer to the question at hand.

The only problem I see with the opium black-out theory is that it would suggest that the notebook found in the mail room was legitimate, and this would then suggest that he was, in fact, planning the attack, and then this would in turn suggest that he shouldn't be as surprised and confused as he was, even if he had memory loss.

I hope there is clarity and truth brought to this case, no matter what the truth is.