Gay Marriage. I am honestly confused

reply to post by trescerveza


lol... do not expect me to start speaking out and giving speeches on the topic. What you get is my vote, which really should be enough... it is your stand to take.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


I'm just trescerveza - that means three beers

reply to post by trescerveza


Third times a charm huh?


I am just an Opinionated B

and you all can consider it a hard enough won vote...all things considering....

reply to post by OpinionatedB


Very well played. Hope to meet up with you again. Very smart, gave me a run

reply to post by trescerveza


Nah, I did not give you a run, you were simply drunk.

Hope to meet up with you again too! On better terms next time.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


How did you know? Love it.. till we meet again....

Originally posted by ProfessorT
As far as I am concerned it shouldn't matter if you are gay or lesbian. We should all have the same rights and entitlements regardless of our differences. The church and christianity just needs to get with the times. They are both stuck in the past and the longer this continues the longer gays and lesbians will not be seen as equals by some parts of the church. People just need to grow up and appreciate we all have differences whether it be race, colour, creed or sexuality.

You're right that everyone should have the same rights, but insisting "the church" and "christianity" "get with the times" is a denial of THEIR rights, Religions don't issue rights, nor do they control government privileges. That distinction has to be clearly made before any progress in this issue will be made at all.

This is exactly what the religious fear form this issue - that an different OPINION will be forced upon them by fiat of the law. If you want equal legally-binding marriage privileges, you'll have to concentrate on the law (rather than religion), and reassure the religious that it's not going to hurt them of force them into anything at all. That's WHY this distinction will have to be made. If you don't, and insist on giving religions the force of secular law, then alienating them probably isn't going to gain you any ground.

They don't HAVE to do anything at all - you're not concerning yourself with changing a religion that is not your to change... you are concerning yourself with changing a secular law that IS yours to change. Threatening the religious with change they don't want to their OWN structure is not going to accomplish anything.

If you would have others to tolerate you, you must first learn to tolerate THEM. It's a two way street, warts and all. You are only enemies because you are setting yourselves at enmity, not because there is any real danger in either direction.

Originally posted by trescerveza
reply to post by OpinionatedB

 

How did you know?

You would be amazed how often I hear that!

Love it.. till we meet again....

Hasta que nos encontramos otra vez

We were all on topic, and people asked you right off the bat, and oyu are refusing to answer this question,
"Therefore, why do gays and lesbians want to get married under a God who has already made clear His position about such a union? (obviously one of opposition to it, plain as day)"
where in the bible does it clear that up for us?

"God was the one who said (according to religions) what marriage is" no he didnt, but the priests did, and they never met god.

With you refusing some other questions people and i have posted, this thread moved away from your topic and questions, so please can you answer those questions now?

Where in the bible does it say GOD said gays cannot marry if his the one that said we are all equal?

There is only one thing i follow in the holy books, and those are the last 4 Commandments, and by the way the fact that they built a church and put a manican of a dead guy on a cross in it breaks the 2nd law "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image..."

now most of this laws go against the constitution (freedom of speech and freedom of religion) ect... but one of the reasons the constitution was made so that government and religion would stay two seperate things.

So how did gays wanting to marry effect freedoms, the constitution or religion in anyway? so the main question is, who in the world decided this, and who in the world actually listened?

reply to post by XaniMatriX

Wrong holy book bro.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by OpinionatedB

 

People get confused because you use terms that Christians use.

For example, moral standard is a term that Christians will often use.

If you're not a Christian, you really should avoid using those kinds of terms.

Plus, there really isn't such a thing as moral standard. Morality is entirely relative.

There are all sorts of moralities, and all sorts of definitions or personal opinion as to what constitutes morality. law has a moral basis, but it's not a Chrstian, Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc moral basis. They all have their own.

All of them can speak of "morality", and in doing so generally MEAN their own sort of morality, but listeners, upon hearing it, assume it means the listener's sort of morality.

Denying a moral code to any religion other than Christianity is incorrect, just as denying a secular sort of morality is. There is a morality attached to each, and just because it's not one's OWN morality doesn't make it any less a morality.

It just isn't yours.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by XaniMatriX

 

Wrong holy book bro.

wrong book? how many books do u need to say one and the same thing before u understand the message?

reply to post by XaniMatriX


This might give you a hint:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Beers again, can you just give a short description of the post you are referring to? Not all of us have a great deal of time.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


I am giving up on this thread, you are now not only refusing to answer the question but avoiding it all together.

Why start a thread when u have no interest in answering or even listening to other peoples oppinions.

reply to post by Imjustthe4th


Dude got banned again lol.

reply to post by XaniMatriX


I was asked a question to which i replied:

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

I did not know how I thought in the beginning of this thread. After 40 some pages, that is my conclusion.

edit on 29-7-2012 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

Then I was asked:

Originally posted by trescerveza
reply to post by OpinionatedB

 

So, how are you going to vote? It's a yes or no question..

Then I replied:

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by trescerveza

 

yes

Therefore, I did have an interest in the thread, and made my conclusion. I would not have any understanding what your problem might be.

reply to post by TKDRL


It's a habit of mine

Originally posted by XaniMatriX


We were all on topic, and people asked you right off the bat, and oyu are refusing to answer this question,
"Therefore, why do gays and lesbians want to get married under a God who has already made clear His position about such a union? (obviously one of opposition to it, plain as day)"
where in the bible does it clear that up for us?

Not all believers in God also believe in the Bible.

"God was the one who said (according to religions) what marriage is" no he didnt, but the priests did, and they never met god.

Not all believers in God have priests.

Where in the bible does it say GOD said gays cannot marry if his the one that said we are all equal?

Where in the Bible does it say we are all equal? I can show you where is says God loved Jacob, but hated Esau, which does seem to imply a certain inequality.

There is only one thing i follow in the holy books, and those are the last 4 Commandments, and by the way the fact that they built a church and put a manican of a dead guy on a cross in it breaks the 2nd law "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image..."

Only 4 commandments? Does that make you less than a half-assed Christian, say, 40%-assed or so?

reply to post by TKDRL


lol... He shouldnt have been saying openly who he was if he didnt want banned....lol