Gay Marriage. I am honestly confused

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Not that old tired argument again. I wasn't saying they're the same thing. Learn to read.

Good. Then you agree - pedophilia = bad; homosexuality = not bad

reply to post by beezzer

Originally posted by beezzer
I won't sacrafice my freedoms for anything,

How does gay marriage sacrifice your freedoms?

Leonardo DaVinci was not a homosexual, some people just believed that because there was an anonymous charge of sodomy against him. which was later dropped because there was no proof. There was no proof of any romantic interests at all.

reply to post by thebtheb

Very true. If we had the attitude of "it's not going to be easy" about so many things in the past, I'd hate to see what we'd look like right now.

There were people who had their lives, their careers - everything - on the line. They made it possible for everyone who came after to keep working at it - and the changes keep coming

I read an interesting article (which I will never find now) about feminism - and how it was rough going in the beginning - and now young women have no idea of what all came before - they are accustomed to and take for granted a level of equality that simply didn't exist for those that came before them. The authors point is that we aren't at a point yet where we can afford to get comfortable and give up the struggle - but it's much more difficult to impress on the younger generations that there is still something to fight for

It applies to all situations - doesn't it?

It's not over 'til it's over - but it's still amazing to be able to compare each decade to the one that came before

reply to post by thebtheb

Originally posted by thebtheb
... you don't care about other people's freedoms (which by the way, puts yours in jeopardy)

Exactly...

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the black people, and I did not speak out—because I was not black;
Then they came for the gays, and I did not speak out—because I was not gay;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Leonardo DaVinci was not a homosexual, some people just believed that because there was an anonymous charge of sodomy against him. which was later dropped because there was no proof. There was no proof of any romantic interests at all.

There's lots of evidence that he was. Can you prove he wasn't? What woman did he marry? Who were his children?

reply to post by kaylaluv


No I don't agree.

NOW INSULT ME SOME MORE!

PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND TELL ME MORE WHAT I AM SAYING THAT I"M NOT SAYING!

The point I was making is that social attitudes change over time.

Charlie Chaplins' first wife was sixteen, but nobody at the time got upset at that because it was an accepted practice. Now it's unheard of. Now he'd be called a child molester/pedophile.

And they always say at the time these attitudes can't change.

reply to post by kaylaluv


No there isn't. I don't have to prove he was, you have to prove he was gay. And all you have are claims and arguments, and neither of those are absolute proof that he's gay.

Just because someone doesn't marry or have a girlfriend doesn't mean they're gay.

It may not be normal to society, but some people do lead celibate lives even if they're not religious.

Why is it in today's society guys can not be alone and not have a girlfriend (of the opposite gender) or a romantic interest without being called gay?

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Leonardo DaVinci was not a homosexual, some people just believed that because there was an anonymous charge of sodomy against him. which was later dropped because there was no proof. There was no proof of any romantic interests at all.

Do you know about Gian Giacomo Caprotti (known as Salai) ? He was Leonardos apprentice for around over 20 years. Do some research and then come back. It is widely believed that he was gay. Some people even claim that the Mona Lisa painting is actually based on Salai ( the hair and facial features are ridiculously similar). Keep in mind that at that time his time homosexuality was still a not-acceptable practice which if the world got out could've destroyed his reputation as an artist or even gotten him killed.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

No I don't agree.

NOW INSULT ME SOME MORE!

PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND TELL ME MORE WHAT I AM SAYING THAT I"M NOT SAYING!

The point I was making is that social attitudes change over time.

Charlie Chaplins' first wife was sixteen, but nobody at the time got upset at that because it was an accepted practice. Now it's unheard of. Now he'd be called a child molester/pedophile.

And they always say at the time these attitudes can't change.

Wrong. Every state allows girls to marry at sixteen with parental consent - some states even allow as young as fourteen. It's not considered pedophilia.

Pedophilia is victimizing a child against their will. It will NEVER be accepted to victimize someone else. Ever.

reply to post by Spotless


Belief in numbers is not necessarily a truth.

So if everybody believed you were a child molester then you must be a child molester.

And I have been doing my research.

It's all claims and argumentation, with no real evidence other than he led a celibate lifestyle.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by beezzer

 

Originally posted by beezzer
I won't sacrafice my freedoms for anything,

How does gay marriage sacrifice your freedoms?

Not sure, to be honest. I'm just leery of any legislation that focuses on a select group.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


He's not saying it does. Stop putting words in his mouth.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


marriage is just a word

reply to post by beezzer


Allowing them to get married will not prevent you from getting married or owning a firearm or....

Really guy, allowing them to be married will not step on anybody's rights. People are just having a knee jerk reaction to change, is all that junk really is.

Remember these Ferengi Rules of Acquisition:

76. Every once in a while, declare peace....it confuses the hell out of your enemies.
190. Hear all, trust nothing.

Originally posted by Spotless
reply to post by XaniMatriX

 

Please don't put bible into this. Its not a valid point lol

I'll go along with you though. Adam and Eve had two sons Cain and Abel. Now tell me. How did they have children ?


@rebellender so homosexuals are cool but bisexuals are a big no no ? You can have a world of freedom or no freedom at all.

edit on 28/7/2012 by Spotless because: (no reason given)

Im only bringing the bible into it, because todays laws were made using that book.

and exactly, if religious fanaticts hate gays having equal rights? then thats breaking one of the laws, "we are all equal" because it says we are all children of god, so i dont understand how brother and sister relations are okay, but being gay is illegal?

and all the laws, are literally made using the bible, it was the police back in the day, that broke all the laws of the bible to create their own corporation.

but in all of this, it has nothing to do with gays, i dont even know why OP is even confused about.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by beezzer

 

Allowing them to get married will not prevent you from getting married or owning a firearm or....

Really guy, allowing them to be married will not step on anybody's rights. People are just having a knee jerk reaction to change, is all that junk really is.

Remember these Ferengi Rules of Acquisition:

76. Every once in a while, declare peace....it confuses the hell out of your enemies.
190. Hear all, trust nothing.

Again, I don't really care. I've tried to bring up some issues along the way. Freedom is important. I'm just leery of legislation, any type, is all.

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by Annee

 

Nah you all are the other end of the spectrum of extremeism.... on one end you have the Wahabbis.... the exact opposite end of the spectrum is this right here....

it is just as extreme as the wahabbis are....just in the opposite direction

Really? And what exactly do you know about me.

In my earlier years I wanted to be a Christian minister. I went on a 60 year quest in search of factual proof - - to back up my quest to be an honest minister to believers.

I was also Mormon for 5 years. Great people. Not all follow the anti-gay lead of the leaders. I officially resigned from the church because of Prop 8 - - - as did thousands of other members who disagreed with the church's political involvement.

I have great admiration for those who remained members and fight for Equal Rights from within.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Leonardo DaVinci was not a homosexual, some people just believed that because there was an anonymous charge of sodomy against him. which was later dropped because there was no proof. There was no proof of any romantic interests at all.

Therefore there have been no noble, artistic homosexuals who have contributed to society.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by beezzer

 

Originally posted by beezzer
I won't sacrafice my freedoms for anything,

How does gay marriage sacrifice your freedoms?

Not sure, to be honest. I'm just leery of any legislation that focuses on a select group.

Why would it be legislation for a select group? All it has to say is that the state will not discriminate on handing out marriage licenses with respect to religion, race, or sexual orientation. Doesn't that pretty much cover everybody?