John Moore Nibiru updates - can you afford to ignore this?

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
John sounds like a reasonable guy, his main point on Nibiru is this:

He hopes it isn't true, but he cannot afford to ignore it.

What difference does it make? How does he plan to survive "the end of the world"? Which other world is he going to move to in order to avoid the end of this one?

Many say people would have seen this by now. Many have. However there is a national security directive for all government employees including scientists not to talk about this.

WHO has seen it, WHY can't I see it, and where is any evidence of this alleged "National Security Directive"? PS - none of the scientists I know are "government employees", and that includes mostly astronomers. None of them have mentioned any need to bend over and kiss my ass goodby, even off the record. They all tell me they've seen nothing of the sort.

People say you can see Jupiter, Saturn, Mars or Venus with the naked eye - why can't we see Nibiru/Planet X? Well, Nibiru gives off light in the infrared spectrum, like billion of other objects in our universe, and is almost impossible to see with the naked eye, especially coming at us from out of the Sun.

Thise other planets you mention give off pretty much NO light of their own at all, although the larger ones like Jupiter do have a small IR signature - not unlike the putative "Nibiru". If you can see them, much farther away than Nibiru would have to be at this stage, then there is no reason at all that you would not be able to see Nibiru with your naked eye.

It's impossible for it to have been "coming at us from out of the Sun" for all these years. We go around the sun once each year, meaning that for part of the year, Nibiru would have had to have been BEHIND us, rather than "in the Sun".

Why do you think Obama invoked the National Communications Executive order of last week? They want to be able to control the internet when people soon be able to see this with their own eyes.

If it were there, they could see it NOW with their own eyes, not "soon". Dec 21 is less than 5 months away, and so Niburu would also have to be less than 5 months away.

Why wouldn't the government warn people?

because there's nothing there to warn them about?

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

 

Other planets do NOT cause quakes or tectonic upheaval.

first, we wouldnt know if thats true if they have never passed by.

second, the moon orbiting us causes the tides, and if something BIGGER than Jupiter passed us, the tides would be MUCH larger.

bare minimum, huge tidal waves, maybe large enough for quakes, maybe not large enough for "tectonic upheaval"

just my $0.02.

Someone brought up the issue of copyright, and because I DO respect others rights, unlike some, I contacted John about using his work.

He is concerned about people using actual videos that have been posted on YouTube, but he says the youtube videos I used, of his radio show, are fine to disseminate:

reply to post by Dizrael

bare minimum, huge tidal waves,

Bare minimum, a total disruption of Earth's orbit and that of the other planets. Something that does not happen every 3,600 years, else we would not be here.

Originally posted by Argyll


The majority of your posts/threads concern PlanetX....therefore I assume that you must have some idea in your mind when this is all going to come on top.

The majority of my posts are about Planet X???? I think you have me confused with someone else, hyperbole doesn't help anyone:

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Dizrael

 

we have no idea what the surface is made of to even speculate if it would reflect or absorb.

The claim was that Nibiru is a brown dwarf. Brown dwarfs don't have a surface as such.

But are you saying that since it cannot be seen it must be of unusually low albedo? That's called circular reasoning.

im not defending either side really, the only FACT we have is

we dont know.

we dont know if it exists
we dont know (if it does) whats its composition is
we dont know (if it does) where it is, or if it will even come close to us, "this time" assuming it has in the past (3600 years ago)

deny ignorance, if we dont the facts, how can you make even an educated guess, one way or the other.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Dizrael

 

bare minimum, huge tidal waves,

Bare minimum, a total disruption of Earth's orbit and that of the other planets. Something that does not happen every 3,600 years, else we would not be here.

edit on 7/25/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

sorry, that too, i was assuming the "techtonic" scenario, not complete destruction.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE


Logic seems to be lacking in this post. You've claimed Nibiru has a 3,600 year orbit. Erik responded by showing why this can't be true and discussing what the effects of such an event would be. Your response is that he's wrong because Nibiru has a 3,600 year orbit. You might as well just shoved your fingers in your ears and started screaming "I can't hear you!"

Also Exodus was not caused by Nibiru. First, no one has even been able to prove that it happened. Second, why was this the only area of the world affected by a brown dwarf passing close to Earth? That's not to say that if Exodus actually did occur it wasn't caused by a natural disaster. I have heard a few people claim that the events described in Exodus could have been caused by the eruption of Santorini.

reply to post by Dizrael

we dont know if it exists

We do know it does not exist. If it did, we would not be here.
Nibiru + Earth in it's present orbit = nope.

Originally posted by Dizrael

im not defending either side really, the only FACT we have is

we dont know.

we dont know if it exists
we dont know (if it does) whats its composition is
we dont know (if it does) where it is, or if it will even come close to us, "this time" assuming it has in the past (3600 years ago)

deny ignorance, if we dont the facts, how can you make even an educated guess, one way or the other.

That is the problem. The one agency that could definitely settle this for us, NASA, can't be trusted, and is primarily an arm of the security apparatus.

Look, in a video in this article (the second video), we have TWO NASA officials talking about going BACK to Mars, they are obviously referring to manned missions since there are currently so many unmanned ones on the go and planned. How can you trust such people at all?

www.apparentlyapparel.com...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Dizrael

 

we dont know if it exists

We do know it does not exist. If it did, we would not be here.
Nibiru + Earth in it's present orbit = nope.

edit on 7/25/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

The Exodus was Planet X's/Nibirus last pass, many plants, animals and people survived that.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Dizrael

 

we dont know if it exists

We do know it does not exist. If it did, we would not be here.
Nibiru + Earth in it's present orbit = nope.

edit on 7/25/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

thats assuming that if it exists it has passed us before.

if we are assuming nibiru, is defined as planet X, that anunaki live on, that passed us 3600 years ago, blah blah blah, then, no.

i dont believe that planet exists. i was operating under the notion that maybe a new planet (brown dwarf or otherwise) could exist, and may be headed this way. strictly imaginitive at this point.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

If Nibiru had been here 3,600 years ago Earth would not be in the nice comfortable orbit it now is.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE


If you believe that then Sitchin must have been wrong with his research. He stated the last time Nibiru passed by was around 500 BC. If Sitchin is wrong then the entire rationale for believing in Nibiru disappears. So are you saying Sitchin is wrong?

reply to post by Dizrael

strictly imaginitive at this point

An as yet undetected rogue planet is a remote (in the extreme) possibility. But it would make more sense to "prepare" for an enormous asteroid impact. Also extremely unlikely in the the near future but far more likely than the passage of a rogue planet through the inner Solar System.

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Dizrael

 

we dont know if it exists

We do know it does not exist. If it did, we would not be here.
Nibiru + Earth in it's present orbit = nope.

edit on 7/25/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

The Exodus was Planet X's/Nibirus last pass, many plants, animals and people survived that.

Really? REALLY????

The Book of Exodus tells how Moses leads the Israelites out of Egypt and through the wilderness to Mount Sinai, where God reveals himself and offers them a Covenant: they are to keep his torah (i.e. law, instruction), and in return he will be their god and give them the land of Canaan. The Book of Leviticus records the laws of God. The Book of Numbers tells how the Israelites, led now by their God, journey onwards from Sinai towards Canaan, but when their spies report that the land is filled with giants they refuse to go on. God then condemns them to remain in the desert until the generation that left Egypt passes away. After thirty-eight years at the oasis of Kadesh Barnea the next generation travel on to the borders of Canaan. The Book of Deuteronomy tells how, within sight of the Promised Land, Moses recalls their journeys and gives them new laws. His death (the last reported event of the Torah) concludes the 40 years of the exodus from Egypt.

Please show me where Nibiru is in that?

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

 

If Nibiru had been here 3,600 years ago Earth would not be in the nice comfortable orbit it now is.

It's not in the same orbit as it was pre-Exodus, why do you think the Egyptians had a 360 day calendar? Earth was closer to the Sun before the last pass of Planet X, and was pulled into a slightly greater orbit. Maybe next year we'll have to shorten the calendar if we get pulled back closer. Or ski season will be longer if we get pulled further out this time.

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by Dizrael

im not defending either side really, the only FACT we have is

we dont know.

we dont know if it exists
we dont know (if it does) whats its composition is
we dont know (if it does) where it is, or if it will even come close to us, "this time" assuming it has in the past (3600 years ago)

deny ignorance, if we dont the facts, how can you make even an educated guess, one way or the other.

That is the problem. The one agency that could definitely settle this for us, NASA, can't be trusted, and is primarily an arm of the security apparatus.

Look, in a video in this article (the second video), we have TWO NASA officials talking about going BACK to Mars, they are obviously referring to manned missions since there are currently so many unmanned ones on the go and planned. How can you trust such people at all?

www.apparentlyapparel.com...

And there you go again. The crux of your argument is: ONLY NASA.

No, sorry. Again, we (the rest of the people of the planet Earth) do NOT have to depend on NASA.

There are several other space agencies. There are thousands of higher learning places (universities and colleges) around the world with their own equipment, observatories, etc that have NOTHING to do with NASA or any space agency, and there are hundreds of millions of amateur astronomers around the world that use optics, IR and yes, even radio astronomy equipment.

Sorry. But NASA does not have a monopoly on everything.

And again, you lack any proof of any object making a 3600 year orbit around the solar system. If there is one, then it has to be a very small object that can not effect changes on the inner planet's orbits. Which means: even if there is a Nibiru, it will be a neat thing to watch go across the sky like a small asteroid, and everything else is fear mongering. Period.

As for the: it could be anything, we don't know everything, there for it must be.

Sure, I can use that same argument right now: There are pink unicorns that fly through space, using advanced technology to keep themselves hidden from us. But I know this for a fact because I read a book from some guy who translated some ancient writing (wrongly) and then published a book (which I bought so he made money from it), and I've been watching these YouTube videos talking about and warning us of these hideous pink unicorns (never mind that each time I click on that video, I'm making some guy some money somewhere by clicking on it).....oh and BTW- there is a HUGE conspiracy hiding these pink unicorns from everyone on the planet......I just KNOW NASA is covering it up, because ONLY NASA could ever see these pink unicorns.
Oh, and Obama signed a executive order saying that no one on the internets can talk about these pink unicorns (who are extradimensional beings that pop in and out of existence so that only a camera that uses a 33.5 nm EUV filter can capture it......except when I aim the camera at the sun. Then I get all sorts of pink unicorns showing up on my picture.........

But only if I'm at the south pole.

So you see? Anyone can use that argument and say, because we don't know everything, it must therefore exist. It's a nonsense argument.

We may not know EVERYTHING in the universe, but we DO know orbital mechanics. We do understand (if not the origin) how gravity works and effects other objects in space.

We also know that people will make up stories and sell them. Professional writers do this all the time when they write fiction. Many have become millionares from it.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE


Maybe you'd like to review Erik's videos about what would happen to Earth after even one pass. We wouldn't even be in the solar system anymore. So please go ahead and explain how this brown dwarf is capable of violating the laws of physics.

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

why do you think the Egyptians had a 360 day calendar?

It was their lunar calendar which had 360 days. It had nothing to do with the Earth's orbit around the Sun.

They also had a Solar (or "civil" calendar).

But the Egyptian priests' observation of Sirius enables them to count the number of days in a solar year. They make it 365. They then very logically adjust the twelve months of the lunar year, making each of them 30 days long and adding 5 extra days at the end of the year.

www.historyworld.net...