Obamacare requires all U.S. citizens to receive a microchip or Medchip by March 23, 2013

Originally posted by Nucleardiver

Originally posted by kluskinoodle
reply to post by chizeled

 

If you read the original quote carefully, it's referring to "medical devices". Medical devices encompass a multitude of things: hip replacements, knee replacements, pacemakers, etc. They are calling for a registry of medical devices in order to analyze the functionality after the device has been utilized. It's like a big database of what was used when so they can identify patterns in issues related to the products...so manufacturers, etc. know whom to notify in case the device has issues. Kind of like a recall notification.

You're correct, and if people would really read the excerpt the "implantable" device is not a chip, it is the medical devises that they will be creating a database of. A database of any devise used in or on a patient, a class III device, or a class II devise that is implantable.

I have read the entire bill (yes I have too much free time) and nowhere, anywhere in the bill does it mention any type of microchipping. I despise Obama and our entire government more than most, but this is nothing at all but fear mongering and disinformation.

it seems really naive to me to disregard the fact that a microchip is a device...but its that kind of naivete that is going to lead a lot of people into the complacency of accepting government control over their being.

Sad thing is many people will take it. Some because they need the health care, others because Snooki just got hers done.
Bunch of Fools out there.

I say you want my medical records, well let me go to my family physician and get a copy. Whats wrong with the current way of medical care.

Originally posted by chizeled

Originally posted by hounddoghowlie...i wouldn't want to be wearing a light blue beret, or helmet cover.

incidentally, rumor has it that some American troops are already wearing UN colors. If the masons are already offering to microchip kids and those same masons are working in the pentagon then it's not really very difficult to believe that masons in the military are actively preparing to force the troops to not only wear UN colors but also be microchipped. American troops wearing UN colors would be confused with foreign UN troops if Americans decided to retaliate against microchipping. Forcing troops to be microchipped and/or forcing troops to force civilians to be vaccinated or microchipped would probably completely decimate the U.S. military...but then again, the UN probably wants to weaken the U.S. military so that the U.S. can't defend itself from a one world government's and/or UN troops.

edit on 25-7-2012 by chizeled because: (no reason given)

it's not to difficult to take to take a patch,berets, or helmet cover off. blouse's and trousers that's what they called them when i was in the corps, remain the same if i'm not mistaken.

as far as the chips go. true as of right now and maybe in the futrue troops can be given a lawful order to have a chip placed under the skin. but as far as i know there has been no law, eo or any thing else passed or handed down to allow this to happen. when and if such a law is passed or e.o. handed down, i would be willing to bet that someone would know what the frequencies are, and they can be jammed, until the chips can be removed. right now my understanding is that they would be placed just under the skin, that would be simple enough to remove by yourself. any deeper may present a problem. but where there is a will there is a way. [

Originally posted by resoe26
Sad thing is many people will take it. Some because they need the health care, others because Snooki just got hers done.
Bunch of Fools out there.

I say you want my medical records, well let me go to my family physician and get a copy. Whats wrong with the current way of medical care.

...snookie got hers done? like I said, the prostitutes in Hollywood are getting paid to market tyranny. As to what's wrong with the current system, the government says that it wants to save money by making records electronic rather than paper. However, the one world government wants to use important things like medical care and banking in order to make everyone accountable to a one world government.

As to why the one world government wants to rob you of your freedom, I believe that reasons differ from one politician to another. Some want control for money while others want power. Some, like Pelosi for example, seem to actually believe that they are helping you by robbing you of all your freedom. Still others believe that they have been given power and money because God has chosen them to accomplish the prophecies in the Bible. For example, Goldman Sachs supposedly believes that it does God's work. The EU and Vatican know that a lot of us believe in Bible prophecies. They, therefore, try to create programs that imitate Bible prophecies or tenets of Christianity in an effort to convince people that their government programs are righteous. Likewise, enemies of Christianity and the United States are also helping the EU and Vatican to implement programs that promise to eradicate the individual freedoms that Americans enjoy. Some of those freedoms that Obamacare attempts to eradicate is medical care, religious freedom (abortion), freedom from being tracked by the government, etc.

Originally posted by hounddoghowlie...it's not to difficult to take to take a patch,berets, or helmet cover off. blouse's and trousers that's what they called them when i was in the corps, remain the same if i'm not mistaken.

as far as the chips go. true as of right now and maybe in the futrue troops can be given a lawful order to have a chip placed under the skin. but as far as i know there has been no law, eo or any thing else passed or handed down to allow this to happen. when and if such a law is passed or e.o. handed down, i would be willing to bet that someone would know what the frequencies are, and they can be jammed, until the chips can be removed. right now my understanding is that they would be placed just under the skin, that would be simple enough to remove by yourself. any deeper may present a problem. but where there is a will there is a way.

I think that you're right. I don't anticipate many troops complying at which point they will be dishonorably discharged. To be dishonorably discharged from a fascist government would be honorable though. But that doesn't change the fact that chipping troops would cause a lot of turmoil within the military, possibly enough turmoil that it could weaken the military enough to empower the invasion of foreign troops from like Mexico for example...

reply to post by chizeled

You were opening a discussion? With a lie?
You seem to be new to ATS, and I like to tell you (purposefully) misleading thread titles are something most people on ATS do not like.

Ah so you try to wash away the fact that you LIED to the people on ATS to LURE them into your thread by calling me a american hating mason?

I´m definitly not a mason. The only contact that I know of is a freemason here on ATS who invited to ask questions and made a thread for it.

Originally posted by verschickter
reply to post by chizeled

 

You were opening a discussion? With a lie?...

I didn't lie. I was quoting the article. Are you not capable of adding anything to the thread or is your intent to simply try to discredit the top and/or derail the thread? I don't believe that you actually want people to discuss the facts which is why you keep coming back trying to dissuade people from talking about them. You didn't say whether you are a socialist or communist or enemy of the U.S.? why are you so adamant about trying to discredit the topic? aren't you able to see that the title was in the article?

Ok, last post in favor to NOT derail your thread.

The title isn´t a quote, its from your feather. And the title is not truthful. So adding 1+1 makes you be untruthful in the title at least. So in fact you are lying in the title. Because

Obamacare requires all U.S. citizens to receive a microchip or Medchip by March 23, 2013

Is not right. Proof is in your own source, I quoted it.


I´m against microchipping any being by the way. I´m not the dark side.
I´m coming back because you twist what I say. If you adress me, I´ll answer of course. Who would not??


Very late edit: I´m neither friend or enemy of the US. I´m not communist, I´m not socialist. I´m not a drawer thinker.
Call me suspicious about your intentions and your arguing if you want but none of that above please.

And even if the title was/is anywhere in the article, its blatant false. Looking at the other articles on that side made me hit the X pretty fast.

I don't think so.... No amount of persuasion would make me willingly get chipped. Over my dead body!!!

Originally posted by chizeled

Originally posted by Nucleardiver

Originally posted by kluskinoodle
reply to post by chizeled

 

If you read the original quote carefully, it's referring to "medical devices". Medical devices encompass a multitude of things: hip replacements, knee replacements, pacemakers, etc. They are calling for a registry of medical devices in order to analyze the functionality after the device has been utilized. It's like a big database of what was used when so they can identify patterns in issues related to the products...so manufacturers, etc. know whom to notify in case the device has issues. Kind of like a recall notification.

You're correct, and if people would really read the excerpt the "implantable" device is not a chip, it is the medical devises that they will be creating a database of. A database of any devise used in or on a patient, a class III device, or a class II devise that is implantable.

I have read the entire bill (yes I have too much free time) and nowhere, anywhere in the bill does it mention any type of microchipping. I despise Obama and our entire government more than most, but this is nothing at all but fear mongering and disinformation.

it seems really naive to me to disregard the fact that a microchip is a device...but its that kind of naivete that is going to lead a lot of people into the complacency of accepting government control over their being.

There's no need to resort to name-calling. I could say the same to you, that it's really naive to consider a microchip a device, and that kind of naivete will lead you to live your life in fear...

In the most general sense, you could construe it as such. I didn't say it wasn't. However if you take the time to read and think about what's being said, you'll see my point. When I see posts like this, I think, "WOW, really? OMG! I better check this out." Then I read it like two or three times and I feel let down.

I was going to hold off on this, but here you go. I searched your other points, such as celebrities being microchipped in case of kidnapping. Do you know how many hits came back on that one? None.

Masons offering microchipping of children? Why yes, there's evidence of that. From sites such as GLP and David Icke. Occasionally, I will click on links to GLP that others provide but generally, I tend to take information from those sources with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by chizeled

“The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.” link

I don't see it happening any time soon. I tend to believe that the microchip or sign of the beast is going to be more of a secular thing. People simply won't do it so then what? Medical care will go underground. But then what happens when the banking industry requires it? I could see a lot more people accepting the microchip then but a black market based on trade would eventually develop for those that altogether refuse the microchip. What do you think will happen when March 23 rolls around and most people don't comply? I'm thinking that some kind of new pandemic could be created at which point the president is authorized to send foreign troops onto US soil to enforce vaccinations. The president can then confiscate food, water, and communications and only permit people with the microchip access. I'm not convinced that all of this will happen in March but it may happen sooner or later. What do you think would happen?

It sounds like any inplantable device i.e. pacemaker etc., that was inserted during a proceedure, must be registered and monitired after surgery. not that all must have an implantable device inserted in them.

No where in that bill does it state all must have an inplant injected inside them, only that any medical devices inserted inside someone during a proceedure must be regestered nationally, my guess is for accountability and moderation to aviod unneeded health care cost by using preventitive maintenance.

The mark is spiritual, it is revealed in how you think (forehead) and how you live (right hand). The sign of man is the opposite of the sign of God.

For those that want to know the mark of the beast look for what God says is the sign/mark/definer of His people, if you don't live that way, you are marked by man.

God Bless,

This is a hoax. It has been debunked here.

Originally posted by ElohimJDThe mark is spiritual, it is revealed in how you think (forehead) and how you live (right hand). The sign of man is the opposite of the sign of God.

For those that want to know the mark of the beast look for what God says is the sign/mark/definer of His people, if you don't live that way, you are marked by man.

God Bless,

Thank you, God bless you too! The Bible also says that you won't be able to buy or sell without it which means that it is a physcial mark. As I already discussed, I believe that mark will incorporate monetary, spiritual, and political aspects. If the mark is used to symbolize allegiance or solidarity with a one world government and religion then it will also be used to participate in government systems. People will have to have a physical form of identification that proves that they have agreed to abide by the one world governments laws in order to receive benefits from that government. The mark will likely take the place of drivers license number, social security numbers, credit card numbers, etc.

Originally posted by chizeled

Originally posted by Libertygal
reply to post by kluskinoodle

 

...ETA:
Some people do voluntarily have themselves chipped for their medical records, especially if they have chronic diseases that renders them incapabloe of communicating. That is totally voluntary, however.

edit on 25-7-2012 by Libertygal because: (no reason given)

I have read that some celebrities and politicians are already microchipped in case they are kidnapped and held for ransom. Some parents are also supposedly chipping their kids so that they can track their kids down in case they are kidnapped. The masons also have a chip programs that offers to microchip your kids.

Prince William is one of them and it caused quite a stir, too.

As I already discussed, I believe that mark will incorporate monetary, spiritual, and political aspects. If the mark is used to symbolize allegiance or solidarity with a one world government and religion then it will also be used to participate in government systems. People will have to have a physical form of identification that proves that they have agreed to abide by the one world governments laws in order to receive benefits from that government. The mark will likely take the place of drivers license number, social security numbers, credit card numbers, etc.

Sounds like Facebook! hahah jk

By the way, to those that have done there homework, read the article, and admit that this is simply NOT true, we thank you.

We do it to our animals so what's to stop them from doing it to us? They'll make up some crazy story to make us believe we need it.

To those who think it will never happen I never thought I'd be required to purchase health insurance.

Originally posted by Daedal
This is a hoax. It has been debunked here.

snopes is supposedly a hoax run by liberals. If you look through snopes then you can see that snopes, just like a lot of people on this site, tries to dissuade people from discrediting Obama and his thuggery and presents a lot of heresay as 'proof' of hoaxes.

The fact that so many people respond to this thread by refuting the possibility of microchipping is ridiculous. It also goes to show how people are going to react when they are actually required to accept the mark. They will deny that the microchip is a device or deny that it is being used to control them or deny that it even exists even as the microchip device is implemented. Pets are required to be chipped in the UK. The Masonic CHIP program is a precursor to the microchip. Celebrities like Donatella Versace supposedly have their kids chipped. I found that within the first results of searching google so people who can't find evidence of the microchip must be using some other search engine. For those of you who don't apparently know how to use google, just type in 'Sky Eye chip' or 'electronic skin tattoo' or 'rfid chip'.

They can chip me when I'm dead...

More likely the 'chip' will be an RFID in an 'advanced license' much like Michigan already has.

Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
They can chip me when I'm dead...

More likely the 'chip' will be an RFID in an 'advanced license' much like Michigan already has.

Do you happen to have any information that you can post for us about the advanced licensed rfid?

Obamacare doesn't have enough public support yet to be able to implement the microchip. However, obviously Obama and his thuggery (and by thuggery I mean the prostitutes that are being paid to advance the new world order) encourage and even pay a lot of people (like snopes for example) to try and discredit anyone that opposes the one world government's agenda. Their numbers will increase and, with the help of the one world government, they will eventually welcome their own demise by accepting the mark whether the mark is a chip or tattoo or something else entirely. People who are going to deny the truth deserve whatever destruction that they invite onto themselves. However, I'm just hoping that there are enough people like you and me that are aware of the dire consequences of giving another dumb human being or group of dumb human beings control over their being. I mean just look around at all of the imbeciles on this site for example and imagine giving control of your life to those imbeciles and that is basically what you will be doing by accepting the mark.

Hello ATS Readers, Writers,

What a strange world we are living in eh?

I had a local president of the bank, many years ago tell me of things he heard at high level bank meetings.

He told me what was to come according to the plans of the "higher ups".

At the time I thought he was a bit bonkers...

He told me about what was coming as far as money and banking was concerned.

This was LONG before the automatic grocery scanners and etc at the stores. early 1980's...

He told me about how all stores would use scanners, etc.. and what was coming with ATM's, etc..

ALL OF WHAT he said has happened..except for the last thing he said would happen..

They, (banking types), would get people to be chipped by CUTTING THEM OFF from finances without the chip.

They would use the data about how much fraud there was, and how much money is lost by credit card hacking and theft. And that they could save gazillions by eliminating the losses via the chip.

As I see where the world has gone since those long ago days of my youth...I see where the last thing he said, which I thought was ludicrous.. is NOW quite possible, due to financial situation of the world.

They wont be chipping me or my wife...no way Jose'..lol.

It is also true that the weird wording, deceptive as it is, can/could also mean a device, class whatever, which is ALSO a description of the chips they use to track you with..

Time will tell, there are so many odd things flying around, laws, stories, crazy nutters, zombies.. Order out of Chaos..

Pravdaseeker