World leaders promoting tolerance; but what do you really know about Islam?

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Oh, I agree Islam is not the only culture that promotes misogyny, which is why I said Islam is a good example, most of these highly religious groups act this way.

Ah, but Islamic culture and Hispanic culture embraces misogyny. My culture does not, and I see no reason why I should accept a culture that does.

I live in a very ethnically diverse area, which from what I am seeing, describes all city sprawls in the US and Europe these days. Tribalism is very much alive and well in this modern era. While whites are punished for not supporting ethnic diversity, everyone else blatantly discriminates against others outside of their group.

There comes a time when even whites need to start thinking about our own survival.

The Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. Britain began colonization in defense against Spanish aggression. Mexico attacked the US to start the Mexican American war.

Time to set the record straight.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

Oh, I agree Islam is not the only culture that promotes misogyny, which is why I said Islam is a good example, most of these highly religious groups act this way.

I live in a very ethnically diverse area, which from what I am seeing, describes all city sprawls in the US and Europe these days. Tribalism is very much alive and well in this modern era. While whites are punished for not supporting ethnic diversity, everyone else blatantly discriminates against others outside of their group.

There comes a time when even whites need to start thinking about our own survival.

The Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. Britain began colonization in defense against Spanish aggression. Mexico attacked the US to start the Mexican American war.

Time to set the record straight.

Meh.

I just said screw it, married a sexy mexican, and settled down into a lifestyle of not caring about ethnicity.

To each their own, i guess.

ETA: a saying I am very fond of is "Be the change you want to see in the world." Considering that this is likely not just a saying, but is a truth (with the world being a product of what we, collectively as humans, choose to make it), then we have to ask ourselves what changes our actions are bringing upon the world. If we want a different world, it starts by looking in the mirror and making the determination that you will make at least 1/8 billionth of an impact towards that world.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


I deal fine with diversity.

I just don't put up with the chit.

I see these beliefs practiced by these groups as being totally screwed up, and I am going to call them out on it.

There is a reason why the countries they come from are so screwed up, and they need to drop those practices that screw everything up.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


A part of being change is standing up for what you believe.

Failure to defend your liberty will result in the loss of your liberty.

Originally posted by poet1b
Islam is a good example of why immigration should be retrictred.

I don't want to live in a community with people who think women should be treated as inferior, and the woman as being the guilty party when she is raped by a man. I don't want to be neighbors with a man who teaches his sons that my daughter is a slut because she doesn't dress the way he thinks she should dress.

I am not the one being unreasonable.

I am offended by people who think they have the right to push their wacked out religious beliefs on me.

I'm a black american muslim... My parents are the same... How would you restrict that?

Not to mention ISLAM doesn't view women as inferior. Certain eastern cultures do....

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

Oh, I agree Islam is not the only culture that promotes misogyny, which is why I said Islam is a good example, most of these highly religious groups act this way.

Ah, but Islamic culture and Hispanic culture embraces misogyny. My culture does not, and I see no reason why I should accept a culture that does.

I live in a very ethnically diverse area, which from what I am seeing, describes all city sprawls in the US and Europe these days. Tribalism is very much alive and well in this modern era. While whites are punished for not supporting ethnic diversity, everyone else blatantly discriminates against others outside of their group.

There comes a time when even whites need to start thinking about our own survival.

The Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. Britain began colonization in defense against Spanish aggression. Mexico attacked the US to start the Mexican American war.

Time to set the record straight.

edit on 29-7-2012 by poet1b because: Add second line

Islam is not a culture, and the Islam you think you know, is probably more Arab or South Asian culture than anything else.....

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

I deal fine with diversity.

I just don't put up with the chit.

I see these beliefs practiced by these groups as being totally screwed up, and I am going to call them out on it.

There is a reason why the countries they come from are so screwed up, and they need to drop those practices that screw everything up.

We come from no specific country... What country do Christians come from?

I have no problems with Muslims who respect the rights of women and other religions. Same as with Catholics.

Cultures do not know national boundaries. They succeed in screwing up many countries at the same time.

Islam does create it own culture, like all religions. There will exist many shades within these cultures, but there will exist continuity.

Originally posted by poet1b
I have no problems with Muslims who respect the rights of women and other religions. Same as with Catholics.

Cultures do not know national boundaries. They succeed in screwing up many countries at the same time.

Islam does create it own culture, like all religions. There will exist many shades within these cultures, but there will exist continuity.

edit on 29-7-2012 by poet1b because: Add last line.

This is you talking, versus somebody who was born and raised muslim, and has actively studied both islam and other faiths for years on top of that.

there is no "islamic culture"..

Your gripe, is with arab culture. Maybe Pakistani culture. But not Islam. IF you actually looked in the Qur'an you'd find that none of the stuff you mentioned is even in there... But I doubt you've done that..

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine


Do you follow Sharia law where the word of a woman is half the worth the word of a man.

Do you think you can separate Sharia law from Islam?

You might be too close to the religion to see the truth.

I don't have to know anything about Islam to know that religions create their own cultures.

reply to post by poet1b


Basically, what you are saying is "As long as no one makes issue of anything, I don't take issue with anything".

That is a fair enough outlook. Just make sure you focus that outlook on the individual, not the group.

Yeah , woman rights and the irony......




Ooops , out of context

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


I think it is important to take issues.

To stand up for ones beliefs against those groups who embrace beliefs that one disagrees with.

I disagree with the beliefs that Islam embraces, and I see those beliefs as contrary to my own, and my culture, and I feel I have the right to express my disagreement. I see this as my right as an individual.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

I think it is important to take issues.

To stand up for ones beliefs against those groups who embrace beliefs that one disagrees with.

I disagree with the beliefs that Islam embraces, and I see those beliefs as contrary to my own, and my culture, and I feel I have the right to express my disagreement. I see this as my right as an individual.

Yes sir, this is your right.

But it doesn't make you right. Feel free to approach the world however you want. Just know that I am working against you, if what you stated above is the truth, every moment that you are awake.

Not that we have to be enemies....only that I disagree with you....which is my right as well.

The one thing I would ask is, what do you believe in that Islam goes against it?

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


You know, i have reconsidered my prior post.

What is sounds like you are saying is that those people over there believe something that you don't like, and you reserve your right to prevent them from believing that. You really don't have a right to do that. You have a right to be a bigot, if you so choose. But you don't have a right to project your bigotry into the world, unless you are just talking about saying things that promote your agenda

But all this aside....what makes you any different than the enemy you seem to despise? It seems that you both, at least when you look at the more extreme elements of your enemy, are wanting the same thing. It is like you are shadow boxing in the mirror.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment

You do not understand your own religion

Do you even bother reading? I said I was not a Muslim. I'll be waiting for your evidence.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Ah, but if I am right, then you are working against what is right, and so working against your own best interests.

And clearly you do take issue.

Based on your perspective of what is right.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Just have to say you make many valid points. Your points are very direct and clear. Its great to be able to share in your perspective.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


You have no hate in you and u have my respect for being real.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

Ah, but if I am right, then you are working against what is right, and so working against your own best interests.

And clearly you do take issue.

Based on your perspective of what is right.

Intellectually, I take issue with bigotry. I have a belief that things like race, religion, gender...all these are WHAT we are, not WHO we are. I don't make judgements against people based on what they are, only who they are. Thus, I can work and live happily around all manner of folks.

I, personally, am many "whats", and have been many "whats" throughout my life. I have been overweight at 470 lbs, and hated that the world was made for people of a normal size. That i couldn't find a comfortable seat anywhere, or that clothing was not made to fit decently. I was overlooked for jobs, and treated like a leper by people of a shallow nature. I didn't like it.

I was once a teenager. I was told "not hiring", looked at with contemnpt by older people, and not trusted in general by the world. I didn't it that, either.

I am still a white male. I often get to be "the gringo", "the man", "cracker", and any other number of labels that shows harsh feelings for what others who are of the "white man" demographic have done in the past. I don't like that, either.

I have had long hair and a beard, looking like a biker. When i offered help to an elderly lady on the side of the road with a flat tire, she called 911 on me. I really didn't like that one bit.

I have been lots of "whats" in my life. None of them, not a single one, is who I am. Now, if someone wants to judge me for "what" i am, then that is fine. It is their right. Consequently, I don't have to care.

I am tolerant of a lot of "whats" that people are. My wife and kids are hispanic, my son is gay. My aunt is korean. My neices are african american. And all this diversity in my family teaches me to be tolerant of other culture, to only respond to the negative, while embracing and having fun with the positive and neutral.

but there are a few 'whats" that i cannot be tolerant of. "Whats" like bigots, racists, small minded, or hateful people are generally something I don't tolerate very well. But just because I don't tolerate it doesn't mean i want it to be gotten rid of. I just go somewhere else, and leave those "whats" to themselves.