Christians... riddle me this!

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

Technically we're not christians, we are messianic jews bought by the blood of the Messiah he has become our King and we enter into the House of Israel.

There is a concept that is borrowed from the idea of Israel, of an inheritance. We enter through a new birth into this inheritance, which is (rather than a territory in Palestine, as in the old model) eternal life in heaven.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Not only that, Jesus said HE is the way. HE is the only path and gate to the Father. Every other thing, way, religion, et cetra et cetra is the "broad way" that leads to destruction and many (the majority) there be that find it."

I think what you are doing is changing the original intent of the 'path' saying by Jesus and conflating it with the 'way' saying to make a your own custom saying to where it is only about choosing which path to take, and nothing about the path itself, which is walking in the ways of righteousness.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Christianity has more followers than Islam, more people, bigger path. I am amazed at how you cannot comprehend that.

That makes absolutely no sense. The people on the broad path are the ones who do not have Christ as their Savior, thats the other 67% putting the majority in favor of being on the broad road to destruction. Probably even more than 67% because alot of people who profess to be a believer in Christ couldn't tell you one thing he ever said (like muslim).

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen

 

In my opinion, that is a very narrow-minded viewpoint. You are discarding all other possibilities other than Christ and throwing them in the trash, saying they are all the same way when they are all vastly different ways, they are separate, there is not just one right way and one wrong way, there are many different ways you can travel. But the narrowest one, the one with the fewest amount of followers, is the way to life.

Logically, that doesn't even make any sense. If I were to declare that "the only way you'll be saved is to be me", that's about as narrow as you're going to get, and is unlikely to have any followers, apart from me, but does that validate it?

Does the population of heaven consist of me, and no other? Now matter how Narcissistic I might be claimed to be, I think not.

reply to post by adjensen


What do you think Jesus (supposedly) said? That you could only be saved through him. Him alone, so does heaven consist of a bunch of Jesus'? Isn't that the narrow-minded path you are talking about?

I have already explained to you that I believe we are in heaven now, so no, I am not saying that. Heaven consists of us, but we are all made of the same stuff so in a sense we are one. The 'one' is like the lake of water that I explained earlier.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


I am not a Fundamentalist, so I tend to view scripture holistically.

With that in mind, I see that passage as simply saying that the "requirements" of Christianity are not superficial, and that passing through the narrow way requires something beyond that superficiality. The "pew sitters", who think that showing up once a week, but not applying Christ to their lives, may struggle when Christ separates the sheep from the goats.

Though it is not a popular opinion, I think that non-Christians who practice Christianity without knowing it will find more mercy in God than many "Christians" who go to church on Sundays and think their job done.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Muhammad said the same thing, that he was the only way. There are a smaller percentage of Muslims in the world than christians, so Islam is a narrower minority than christianity.

reply to post by adjensen


You are not a fundamentalist but yet you imply that you are in the group of followers who practice exactly what the bible teaches, word for word and take the bible as literal fact? Those are the two main requirements in order to be called a fundamentalist, so yes you are a fundamentalist. Are you stating that you are not yet saved?

What is your point exactly?

Like you said a minute ago, worshiping one man is the most superficial and narrow-minded path there is.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen

 

You are not a fundamentalist but yet you imply that you are in the group of followers who practice exactly what the bible teaches, word for word and take the bible as literal fact?

When did I say that? (that I "practice exactly what the bible teaches, word for word and take the bible as literal fact?")

reply to post by adjensen


You obviously believe you are saved, and those who are saved are the ones who practice and believe the bible to a tee, and those people are considered to be 'fundamentalists'.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen

 

You obviously believe you are saved, and those who are saved are the ones who practice and believe the bible to a tee, and those people are considered to be 'fundamentalists'.

I don't think that you understand Christianity -- nowhere is it defined that "salvation requires complete belief in the Bible" and few sects view Fundamentalism as necessary to salvation.

I suspect that you're misunderstanding the concept of "Sola Scriptura", which I do support. If you'd like an explanation of that, I'll be happy to provide it.

reply to post by adjensen


But yet your whole belief system is centered on believing in a man that said he was the only way to be saved. That's the most fundamental part of christianity, so yes you are a fundamentalist.

So basically you are saying that the path that takes the most narrow-minded approach is the right path. That makes no sense, you must be open-minded in order to know what the truth is. You are not being open-minded right now because you think Jesus is the only possibility.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen

 

But yet your whole belief system is centered on believing in a man that said he was the only way to be saved. That's the most fundamental part of christianity, so yes you are a fundamentalist.

Again, you don't seem to understand some basic concepts. No Fundamentalist would accept your assessment, because they're as convinced as you that I don't have a clue. I've the emails to prove it, lol.

So basically you are saying that the path that takes the most narrow-minded approach is the right path. That makes no sense, you must be open-minded in order to know what the truth is. You are not being open-minded right now because you think Jesus is the only possibility.

Well, I was building on your claims, but apparently I was wrong. Please explain to me what you think "the Narrow Way" means, as regards Christ's statement.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen

 

In my opinion, that is a very narrow-minded viewpoint. You are discarding all other possibilities other than Christ and throwing them in the trash, saying they are all the same way when they are all vastly different ways, they are separate, there is not just one right way and one wrong way, there are many different ways you can travel. But the narrowest one, the one with the fewest amount of followers, is the way to life.

Logically, that doesn't even make any sense. If I were to declare that "the only way you'll be saved is to be me", that's about as narrow as you're going to get, and is unlikely to have any followers, apart from me, but does that validate it?

Does the population of heaven consist of me, and no other? Now matter how Narcissistic I might be claimed to be, I think not.

No you were not building on my premise, the bolder part proves otherwise. You were trying to counter what I said but made a little hiccup. You even said that mind set made no logical sense to start off with.

I'll use the same logic on you. If Jesus says that the only way to be saved, does that validate it? You obviously believe it does, so why ask the question?

reply to post by adjensen


I think he meant exactly what he said, the path few people will find. You are not on the path that few people find, you are on the most heavily populated path, or the biggest one. The biggest path takes the most-narrowmindedness to choose coincidentally.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen

 

I think he meant exactly what he said, the path few people will find. You are not on the path that few people find, you are on the most heavily populated path, or the biggest one. The biggest path takes the most-narrowmindedness to choose coincidentally.

Huh? That doesn't make any sense? Care to clarify?

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Muhammad said the same thing, that he was the only way. There are a smaller percentage of Muslims in the world than christians, so Islam is a narrower minority than christianity.

Thats gotta be the dumbest reasoning i have ever heard.

reply to post by adjensen


What part do you not understand? The part about the fewest people or narrowmindedness?

The thing with the fewest people pretty much explains itself, read Matthew 7:14.

The thing about narrow-mindedness is an aspect of duality, or the saying 'as above, so below'. The large path requires narrow-mindedness to enter, the narrow path requires open-mindedness to enter.

You did say that believing in one person is narrow-minded, you believe in one person which by your own definition means you are narrow-minded which means you take the larger path because the most people travel it.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Yet you're using the same logic to support your belief.

Thank you, I needed a good laugh.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Sorry, but that makes no sense at all, and doesn't merit a response.

Have a good night :-)