video of a gun saving multiple lives!

reply to post by Shadow Herder


You are just mad because he did not accidentally shoot someone so you could justify how much of an idiot he was. In my opinion he did a great service and possible saved several lives that day.

Since you hate guns so much I guess if someone told you to pick up a gun and defend yourself you would do the honorable thing and just whine about how bad guns are while you were bleeding to death.

Is there some point in your idyllic world where you would pick up a gun to save one life? What about 2 lives? Maybe you could save 100 lives if you would only pick up a gun. Would you do it then?

A gun is only a tool. A gun has never killed anyone.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by phroziac

 

Criminals are into crime because it is easy. Make it hard, and they don't want to do it.

Being a difficult victim means not being a victim at all! Being a passive, unarmed, willing victim makes crime easy, and that is what criminals want.

Exactly, crooks don't work for a living, you make crime turn into actual work and they wont do it. They'd rather stay home on welfare than do anything labor intensive.

The main argument albeit a good one is the idea that guns are needed to protect against a police state take over or SHTF scenario and that gun control is a mass conspiracy by the Illuminati to disarm the sheep before the slaughter.

But really, the main point here that should be made is that people are damaged. The have been forced into living a world that is not natural and people are reacting to this. There is so much hatred, anger, violence all around that we hate other countries, people from those countries, so much hate around you that people hate their neighbours, rob from them, rape and kill them. People dont feel safe.


Where I come from there is no hand guns, hunting rifles a plenty though. Yet no armed robberies, no homicide related to guns. I need not retort.

reply to post by Shadow Herder


lol, you're horribly close minded. What do you think the thugs would do after robbing everyone? Research this yourself and come back to us with the % of what criminals do after robbing people in an enclosed situation(that is, not in the street such as public view). Go ahead, do your due diligence and respond to this thread supporting your theory.

reply to post by ylriclmm


Ooh, ooh, ooh, (raises hand) I know the answer.

Originally posted by ylriclmm
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

lol, you're horribly close minded.

Actually quite advanced for my time.

What do you think the thugs would do after robbing everyone?

Leave without hurting anyone.

You want guns? Get them, wanna get drunk go for it. Just stay away from me and my city. If that infestation were to reach me, I move on.

reply to post by Shadow Herder


correction, i said one day, your going to try and give some one a whoppin and find your self in a pool of your own blood and a big ol hole in your head. inferring that the odds of playing the role as billy bad ass, or citizen cop are gonna get you killed.

the next reference i made to dot on your forehead, was to show you not all people, are slow to think in situations and that there is always some one that can act in said situations faster than you. also some people have decided that if their lives are in danger, they are not gonna play. not going to take the chance of being beaten, and put in the hospital for 15 days with no charges laid. when someone sticks their nose in their business. and as far as hesitation, yes if it's me or them, they are a dead sob. but i suppose that you would try and take the manly way and take a beating or die with your fists up.

insane delusions, well i would counter that your under insane delusions if you think that all gun owners aren't.
i never said they were. but i should not have to loose my rights, because of the criminals, sicko's, junkie's or what ever else you want to call them, got their guns legally.

and you need to wake up and smell the roses, the world has never been a utopia, there has always been violence in the world and there will always be violence. and the bad guys are always gonna try and get the upper hand.

Funny thing is these criminals are gun owners too. So this robbery was a gun owner robbing a internet cafe with a bat getting shot at by another gun owner.

Guns dont kill people, Gun owners do.

No, I would let them take what they want for no life is worth any material.

To clarify, the man's wife and daughters were raped and murdered and the daughters may well have been burned alive (although the official verdict is that they died of smoke inhalation). The home invaders took what they wanted. Did they ever.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


I come from a place, live in a place and visit places that have no handguns, tough laws, and good people. There is no armed robberies, gun suicides, homicides, accidents.

Its living proof that it works. I think you need to admit that where you live or where you feel the need to carry a gun is not a good place, but eh, neither is Fallujah.

reply to post by Shadow Herder


Let me ask you a question, I believe you said something about gun control would get guns away from criminals, am I correct?
I'm afraid you're wrong. Criminals will ALWAYS find a way to get a firearm, and in your perfect world,nowhere firearms are outlawed or banned even from those that are legally allowed to carry them, wouldn't you see crime rates rise due to the fact the criminals are the only ones carrying firearms?
One more thing to add: in the situation you posted (the video), the thugs are as likely to open fire and shoot those there that can possibly I'd them. It has happened before, the victim complies with everything and still ends up getting shot anyhow.
It would be a perfect world to see no one need a reason to protect themselves, but reality is what it is, bad guys carry weapons, and some of the good guys are, and they are going to use them to protect themselves and those around them.

Since you were the one who pulled the grammar Nazi card I had to chuckle at this.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Where I come from there is no hand guns,

That would be "Where I come from there ARE no hand guns".
But I'm sure you knew that already now didn't you?
Probably should have thought twice before beating up your grammar teacher in grade school for giving
you an "F". She really could have helped you.

Now then,
since you admitted that you would let this

According to Hayes' confession, the two men planned to rob the house and flee the scene with the family bound and unharmed. Hayes attributed the outcome of the spree to a change in their plan. Upon their early morning arrival, they found William Petit sleeping on a couch on the porch.[8] With a bat Komisarjevsky had found in the yard, he bludgeoned William and then restrained him in the basement at gun point. The children and their mother were each bound and locked in their respective rooms. Hayes says he and Komisarjevsky were not satisfied with their haul, and that a bankbook was found which had an available balance. Hayes convinced Jennifer to withdraw $15,000 from her line of credit.[1][9] A gas station's video surveillance shows Hayes purchasing $10 worth of gasoline in two cans he had taken from the Petit home. After returning to the house, and unloading the gas, he took her to the bank. The prosecution later entered this as evidence of premeditation.[10]

The bank surveillance cameras captured the transaction which shows Hawke-Petit in the morning of July 23 as she informed the teller of her situation. The teller then called 911 and reported the details to police. Hawke-Petit left the bank, was picked up by Hayes, who had escorted her there, and drove away. These actions were reported to the 911 dispatcher and recorded in real time. The teller stated that Hawke-Petit had indicated the assailants were "being nice", and she believed they only wanted money.

The Cheshire police response to the bank tellers' "urgent bid" began with assessing the situation and setting up a vehicle perimeter.[11] These preliminary measures employed by the police exhausted more than half an hour and provided the time used by the assailants to conclude their modified plan.[12]

During this time, Hayes and Komisarjevsky escalated the aggravated nature of their crimes. Komisarjevsky sexually assaulted the 11-year-old daughter, Michaela. Komisarjevsky, who had photographed the sexual assault of the youth on his cell phone,[13] then provoked Hayes to rape Hawke-Petit. While Hayes was raping Hawke-Petit on the floor of her living room, Komisarjevsky entered the room announcing that William Petit had escaped. Hayes then strangled Hawke-Petit, doused her lifeless body and parts of the house including the daughters' rooms with gasoline. The daughters, while tied to their beds, had both been doused with gasoline; each had her head covered with a pillowcase.[14] A fire was then ignited, and Hayes and Komisarjevsky fled the scene. 17-year-old Hayley and 11-year-old Michaela both died from smoke inhalation.[5]

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Happen to your family because you would rather them take what they want rather than kill them
I now know who I am dealing with and so should the rest of you as well.

Let this be a lesson to us all.
This is the type of mentality these people have which is precisely why there is no point in debating with
people like this. They would rather their wife and daughter get raped and killed than shoot and kill the perpetrator.


Now, carry on trying to talk sense into this dude with short man's complex.
Ouch, I just hit a nerve didn't I?

reply to post by Shadow Herder


Wish I knew where that magical land you speak of was located 'cause there ain't no such creature as that in this world and there has never been in all of civilization.

If you think there is no crime in your area then why are there "tough laws"? Maybe the "tough laws" are for the really tough criminals that you don't think live in your fairy-tale kingdom.

But not to worry, if you find out that Billy Bob down the street is really a nut case you have already stated that you would pack up and leave. Such a shame to allow criminals to run you out of your home but then some people don't have the backbone to take a stand and do what is right and needed.

You have a point and their is no denying that the argument for the right to carry is valid.

Havent you noticed that most of these gun massacers were perpetrated by legal gun owners? Arent you aware that sane gun owners snap, or lose their jobs and get desperate only to find themsleves facing the barrel of another legal gun owners gun as he robs a store in dire straits?

All it takes is a responsible gun owner to have a few drinks, catch his wife cheating, or see someone of not liked colour in his back yard to kill them. The criminals now feel the need to carry guns to protect themselves because carrying a baseball bat or a blade will get you shot.

Im on the fence.


Edit to add that many legal gun owners go broke and hock or sell their guns for drugs or food.

Originally posted by mikelkhall
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

Wish I knew where that magical land you speak of was located......

I sure hope you dont.


But really here is some facts about Alabama who has the most households with gun protection in the U.S, are they safer?

In addition, Alabama's gun-death rate of 16.99 per 100,000 population was about 70 percent higher than the national average of 10.32.

The Violence Policy Center found a correlation between gun ownership rates and gun-death rates. It also noted that states with so-called "weak" gun laws had more gun deaths.

But there's another way to look at the numbers. Of the 780 firearm deaths that occurred in Alabama in 2006, 333 were homicides, 37 were accidental, eight were undetermined and two were considered "legal intervention."

But the majority of gun deaths - 400 to be exact - were suicides. Let's restate that: More than half the gun deaths (which is typical nationally) were the deliberate acts of gun owners or those who had guns in their possession at the time.

acjic.state.al.us...
www.al.com.../base/opinion/1245230187242670.xml&coll=1

Then the gun ownership right theory falls apart, again.

I thought I would get some answers to some of the questions I posted but I guess I should have known better. Like screwed stated above we know the kind of person we are dealing with now. Since my questions will probably never get answered I guess I'm out of here.

Originally posted by mikelkhall
I thought I would get some answers to some of the questions I posted but I guess I should have known better. Like screwed stated above we know the kind of person we are dealing with now. Since my questions will probably never get answered I guess I'm out of here.

Pwned.

I did reply, my last post finished you off. Night

I love how Shadow Herder totally avoided my post and question...

Originally posted by HomerinNC
I love how Shadow Herder totally avoided my post and question...

Sorry this was your reply, I forgot to hit the reply button and just hit post

" You have a point and their is no denying that the argument for the right to carry is valid."

But see this post and it sorta makes sense since it uses facts and stuff.www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Shadow Herder


No. You never answered any of the questions I put forth. I also don't see how you "pwned" me in any way, shape or form. I was going to leave this thread alone because you would not answer any of my questions which just meant that I was talking to myself which wasn't being very constructive.

If it makes you feel better about yourself to believe that you "pwned" me then that's ok. You da man. You too smart for lil ol me.

A guy cruises thru a stop sign and gets pulled over by a local policeman. Guy hands the cop his driver’s license, insurance verification, plus his concealed carry permit.

“Okay, Mr. Smith,” the cop says. “I see your CCW permit. Are you carrying today?”

“Yes, I am.”

“Well then, better tell me what you got.”

Smith says, “Well, I got a .357 revolver in my inside coat pocket. There’s a 9mm semi-auto in the glove box. And, I’ve got a .22 magnum derringer in my right boot.”

“Okay,” the cop says. “Anything else?”

“Yeah, back in the trunk, there’s an AR15 and a shotgun. That’s about it.”

“Mr. Smith, are you on your way to or from a gun range...?”

“Nope.”

“Well then, what are you afraid of...?”

“Not a damn thing...”

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