Syria's Chemical Weapons Came From Saddam's Iraq

Originally posted by tide88
If those weapons were there and moved as the book states, it would instantly debunk half the false flag and 9/11 conspiracy threads on this site.

I respectfully disagree.

The main reason I objected to the official story was due to the huge gaps of how those guys flew those planes, with hardly any experience. How they said they found the passport of one of the highjackers at ground zero (but steel columns melted and cement parts were reduced to dust). Then, there was the convenient NORAD exercise going on, to confuse things. Then, there was the way the Pentagon got hit, and they confiscated security camera tapes, plus the shape of the hole in the building. Then, there is the issue of them carting off the evidence at ground zero. Then, NASA images show the melting pool of metal that is way too hot to be just a result of jet fuel. There's also the dancing Israelis on the van filming the attack, then admitting they were there to document it. Also WTC7 fell without even being hit. Just subsequent debris that ignited it.

There are so so so so so many "What???!" aspects of the hole thing that it leaves you baffled, and you know someone is trying to play you for a fool. I don't know how how those towers fell, and I don't know how it was all pulled off, but I know this much: We were lied too over and over and over.

They used this event to demonize the ME and invade. The hijackers they said were from Saudi Arabia mostly anyway. Some were said to be still alive. It's insane that they lie so much and get away with it.

reply to post by daynight42

I understand and agree daynight. I was referring more towards we, as in the entire country's representation that gets miss/ ill represented by some leaders. I can appreciate both aspects though, in that yea, more often than not the citizens do not support war, and therfore are not the we. At the same time, actions done with our name on them can mesh those who do not support a war in with those that do by association.
Nothing personal at all, I appreciate your perspective.

Here is the story:
archive.newsmax.com...

So now the agenda is that Bush was telling the truth. Are you kidding?

No need to go into the actual facts I see. Just use a little new fabricated report to justify Iraq, mass murder of innocents, 9/11, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Africa, Staged death of OBL and so much more. Let's tie it all together and the US comes out like heroes.

This ONE story can justify it all. This is why we are at the precipice of ww3...because people are still so F#*&%^ing stupid.

BS

Peace

and if america decides to invade syria, assad said he'll return them as quickly as he can by using mortar rounds.

reply to post by tide88


oh please.

get another job man, you have blood on your hands with this one

I miss the old days when the only chemical you had to worry about being dropped on you was bleach...ah WWI how I long for simpler times.

You really cannot expect any one country to take blame as all was created for the purpose of the sale. If there wasn't a market for it, countries wouldn't be selling it. They never cared who it harmed anyway, just the dollar signs it brought from countries that were too backwards in tech to develop the chemicals safely.

In reality we are all to blame for putting a price tag on something that shouldn't have been sold in the first place. Chemical weapons are a horrid way to die....its an honorless death.

Just as with nukes, we were so worried about whether or not we can, we didn't stop to think about whether or not we should. Humanity is made up of overgrown spoiled infants that cannot grasp the concept of controling ones compulsion.

We deserve this, and if chemical weps are used, we only need blame ourselves for thinking we are a intelligent race to begin with. Gawd I love arrogance don't you?

WMD still striking terror into the minds of the western observer. I can hear the words "something must be done" ringing from the MSM towers.

Syria's Chemical Weapons Came From Saddam's Iraq, which in turn probably came from USA

Yes we told you Irak had WMD, they moved them to Syria, but before we could find them there they were moved to Iran, so we must follow them there. Seems to me that these WMD are moving to where ever the USA wants them to. What next the EU. Yes the WMD have moved to the EU, WHAT the bastard WMD have moved to ............ ( fill in the blank yourself.)

reply to post by JacKatMtn


couldn't agree with you more about this Arab Astroturing campaign. Remember what Gen. Wesley Clark said! This is a plan that started 15 years or so ago....

however I see a more sinister reason for overthrowing all of these countries and it is to form an Islamic alliance for the west to fight or better known as "Cold War II" in my book as the world fights theocratic revolutions around the world!.

reply to post by tide88


Omg yes yes yes! I thought I was probably just seeing things, but I remember watching the news just before shock and awe started and saw footage of a convoy of dark green trucks heading to the Syrian border.

Anyone else remember this?

None of these comments make any sense whatsoever. How does any of this vindicate Bush and what does it have to do with 9/11?

reply to post by SteveR


It actually has quite a lot to do with 9/11 and people tying it to the Bush administration. People like to say Bush was a liar and made the whole weapons of mass destructions in Iraq up so he could invade. People were saying he was trying to tie 9/11 to Iraq and when he could not, he made up the weapons of mass destruction claim.

Of course there were, according to the so called "truthers", many other reason for a false flag 9/11, but this does put a ding in the Bush is a known liar, "he lied about the weapons in Iraq."

Also it vindicates Bush, because if Saddam was currently producing the weapons like Bush said, we had every right to invade Iraq.

reply to post by jude11


If true, it brings into doubt Bush's intentions. If there were WMD, he was telling the truth. Everyone calls him a liar, well if he wasn't lying......

Originally posted by daynight42

Originally posted by tide88
If those weapons were there and moved as the book states, it would instantly debunk half the false flag and 9/11 conspiracy threads on this site.

I respectfully disagree.

The hijackers they said were from Saudi Arabia mostly anyway. Some were said to be still alive. It's insane that they lie so much and get away with it.

Those gaps are not a huge as you claim and if you took some time to look at both sides with an open mind you would actually see 95% of the stuff you just claims can be easily debunked. Take your above statement for example.

Highjackers still alive?? Nope..

The "still alive" claim has a powerful list of supporters, then, and so you might expect it to be supported with a substantial amount of evidence. But then you'd be disappointed, because there is nothing of the kind. In fact the claim is only sustainable because not a single one of its proponents actually tells you all the details you need to know.
They tend not to dwell on the fact that all of these stories originated before the FBI released their full photo list on September 27th, for instance. They rarely point out this CNN report, released on September 16th, for instance, that identified the wrong individuals for Wail al-Shehri, Abdulaziz al-Omari and Saeed al-Ghamdi. These misidentifications caused those innocent people to come forward and say "it's not me, I'm still alive" - but they're not the individuals later identified by the FBI.

reply to post by tide88


On his way out, Assad should make a run for Riyadh, and truly spread democracy in the mid-east

Originally posted by tide88

None of these comments make any sense whatsoever. How does any of this vindicate Bush and what does it have to do with 9/11?

reply to post by SteveR

 

It actually has quite a lot to do with 9/11 and people tying it to the Bush administration. People like to say Bush was a liar and made the whole weapons of mass destructions in Iraq up so he could invade. People were saying he was trying to tie 9/11 to Iraq and when he could not, he made up the weapons of mass destruction claim.

Of course there were, according to the so called "truthers", many other reason for a false flag 9/11, but this does put a ding in the Bush is a known liar, "he lied about the weapons in Iraq."

Also it vindicates Bush, because if Saddam was currently producing the weapons like Bush said, we had every right to invade Iraq.

you had every right to invade Iraq? why?

Well, some very interesting discussion and such going on in this thread. I am learning a lot from it. Thanks to all the members practicing healthy debate. It also think it the timing of this press release is curious.

OH so many thoughts...some already expressed...some not...

Highlite points. Try to follow class..

1. The US/Allies had the right to attack Iraq under the Gulf War I cease fire. Saddam had been in violation for 10+years, but like Vietnam after the fall of Siagon, no one really wanted to go back. Sure there was the occasional bombing raid or missile strike, but little was done. Between 91 and 03 Iraq had sponsered numerous terror attacks (although NOT 9/11), massed troops on the border of Kuwait twice threatening to invade again. Moved armored divisions and missiles up to the boarder of Jordan with threats to Isreal, tried to assassinate a US president. Fired at Allied planes patrolling no fly zones, continued to put down the Kurds....So technically the US drive to Baghdad was fully sanction by the 91 and the later 03 resolutions. NOW one can argue that going to Iraq wasn't the BEST move, or had more to do with Oil, or W's finishing for Daddy or whatever...but it was legal, justified, and sanctioned.


2. Most countries sold Iraq "dual use" technologies during the 70's and 80's. They had oil money and were buying technology. Much legit used, but some not. The same plants/factories, etc, that make fertilizer, insectiscides, industrial chemicals, pool chemicals,etc can make VX, phosegene, Sarin, Mustard, etc. Chemistry is Chemistry. Same thing with medical technology and bio warfare. Yes alot of conventional weapons were sold, and I am sure most countries "knew" that some of dual stuff might wind up military. But after 80...Iraq was fighting Iran so no one (US, Europe, anybody) REALLY cared, because everyone was scared of Iran. I know we have a bunch of Iran lovers here, but I'll bet most of the youngin's don't remember the crazy stuff going down in the 70's and 80's by the PLO, Hamas, Iran, etc. Highjackings, murders, hozing down airport lobbies with AKs, the Embassy hostages, Beriut etc. Europe seemed like a battleground some days. Had the CIA messed with Iran via the Shah since the 40's...yes.....so I suppose Iran had a beef, to a point...(the Russians were in there just as much, typcial cold war stuff). But no one really cared if Iraq and Iran bled each other to death.

3). As mentioned.....LOTS of trucks were going from Iraq to Syria prior to the 03 invasion. If you had crack or meth in your house (whether you made it yourself, or from "dual use" stuff you bought at the local pharmacy) and the police said they are going to raid you in 6 months if you don't come clean; and you had a lot of money in it........would you keep it there, or would you move it??????????

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reply to post by SrWingCommander


All great points. Find it amusing that the mass media never picked up on the book written about the chemical weapons transfer and we really never heard anything about it. All we kept hearing was the left and Janeane Garofalo (that dumb ass comedian actress bush hater) say, "I told you so. There were never any WMD in Iraq."

All that being said, War does suck and I although I am not condoning the invasion, if Saddam was producing these weapons, everyone should be thankful the USA and its allies did what they did. The scariest part of the Saddam regime wasn't necessarily Saddam himself, but his two insane sons who at some point would have taken over.

You should watch the movies The Devils Double. Its about Saddams son Uday's body double. This guy was a full on psycho. Imagine what he would do with a full arsenal of Chemical or Nuclear weapons. Here is a good article on how insane his sons were.

The Sum of Two Evils

Also, one would think that if Saddam was in power still today, with Iran pursuing Nuclear Weapons, you can bet he would be two. At least we only need to deal with Iran nuclear ambitions now.