My daughter has something wrong with her yet not even the doctors can find what it is at this stage.

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G'day mate. Sorry to hear about your daughter's illness, I'm always ready to jump if either of my two little ones come down with something.....fortunately they get over any colds/flu's FAR quicker than I do! Something that's been bugging me about this state is the Legionnaires outbreaks that seem to come and go intermittently.

Symptoms of Legionnaires' disease The symptoms of Legionnaires' disease usually begin to appear within six days of being exposed to the bacteria. Early symptoms are like the flu and include: Headache (often severe) Fever Chills Muscle aches and pains A dry cough and shortness of breath. Sometimes other systems in the body are affected. This can cause: Diarrhoea Mental confusion Kidney failure.

Source

I'm certainly not saying this would be it, as I'm no medical practitioner......but this is the one reason I haven't taken my kids to the Melbourne Aquarium yet, It's always in the back of my mind. All the best mate

Sorry, this is not true about Tetenus verschickter.

In developed countries 9 out of 10 people survive Tetanus, it's treated with antibiotics. The 1 in 10 who do die are over 50 years old.

In the Third World, 50% who die from Tetanus are new born babies who've had their umbilical cord cut with rusty/dirty scissors.

Tetanus is not a problem in developed countries. It's always good to clean a cut within 3 hours. If you have a deep cut which is difficult to clean, you can decide whether the risk of the vaccine is greater than the risk of Tetanus. (sometimes you get Tetanus from the vaccine so the vaccine is a risk itself)

Big Pharma train us to fear Tetanus as they make $billions from the vaccines, not just for selling them, but from the long-term damage they cause e.g. Allergies and Autoimmune Diseases (the Tetanus vaccine is linked with muscle wasting diseases)

Originally posted by verschickter
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Don´t want to disturb you but tetanus means (edit: almost) sure death if not responded to in time. You´re muscles contract so hard that you break your own bones at the endstadium.

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I´m not saying it´s this but I think you underestimate tetanus pretty hard.

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When nothing is certain anything is possible...

She hasn't had any muscle problems or lockjaw etc but my ex wife said she looked like she was on the edge of going into a fit last night. I think that along with her eyes and actions was the most worrying. The doctors first thought meningitis but nothing has shown up and they are going to monitor for the next couple just to be certain that what ever it is, is either healing or disappearing.

Because they can't pin-point it right now, I'm just a bit concerned they have overlooked something... every piece of information is useful right now and I appreciate it.

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Ok, then it seems I was wrong. It was my understanding (from reading a book) that tetanus is almost uncurable (see my edit in your quote) if not treated in the first days.
However, I don´t want to panic the OP, just wanted to add that its a deadly disease and not something to underestimate.

Edit: It was also my understanding that a vacine is useless when already infected.
Have to look that up more exactly.


Late edit:
I found this and it reflects almost what I said (almost, I was wrong, too)

Gegen die ausgebrochene Erkrankung gibt es keine echte kausale Behandlung. Weil sich die Tetanustoxine über die Nervenscheiden ausbreiten, sind sogar hochdosierte Serumgaben (fremde Antikörper, passive Immunisierung) über die Blutbahn umstritten. Ein gründliches Ausschneiden der Wunde, unter Umständen eine Amputation, sorgt dafür, dass der Tetanuserreger sich nicht weiter vermehrt, da man eine weitere Toxinproduktion in der Wunde unterbinden muss.

Fast translate: There is no real cure against the outbroken disease. You only can cut out the wound to stop multiplication of the tetanus bacteria. Because the tetanus toxines ride the neurovascular sheath, indeed, high doses serum givings (foreign antigenes, passive immunisation) is controverse.

BTW, most european countrys do not track tetanus incidents since 2001 so they do not appear in any statistic. Which is why there is not one incident of tetanus recorded on that map in europe on wiki.

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Don´t they have a MRT or CRT at the hospital? That should reveal something at least. When they say her brain might be swollen, that would be the first thing to do as a doctor.

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That is one thing they have not done. The thing is, it was her heart rate that got me worried. It is not normal I don't think. If it was that bad, she would of been moved straight to Melbourne but she hasn't. I'm only going off what my ex wife has told me because she is sitting with her until she is free to leave. The swelling on her brain was mentioned, but as I said, I'm not too sure whether they were concerned about it. By the sounds of it, she is getting better and most of the swelling is going down, but looking at her, you can tell that she is still very sick. Her eyes tell the story even though she is started to liven up a bit now.

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Its not a nice feeling. I was tearing up on the way to the hospital. But she seems like she is on the mend and I haven't had a phone call stating otherwise which is good I guess. Hopefully things will be a bit clearer tommorow.

Glad to hear that she´s doing a little bit better. Well, I´m obviously not a doctor so all I can do is hold my thumbs and hope she´ll recover fast and that they find out whats wrong, because you never now if it was just a viral, bacterial infection or if something is not right with her internals.

edit: Stonesplitter´s thought is not so far fetched. How do you heat your water at home and to what °C if you have a tank to store your hot water instead of a flow heater.

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No tank water, just from a hot water system which I believe is run by electricity and the water is always at a safe temperature to kill bacteria etc. Its runs 24/7. Apart from that, the drinking water is fine and if it needs to be heated, kettle or on a stove top at least..

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Spinal taps suck friend, Ive had 2 of them and you have to be very very still when they do it. And it is a wee bit expensive to do. BUT it will tell you all you need to know medically if something is affecting the brain.

Im so glad i have no spleen anymore, my white count is always high, Strange enough I dont really get sick like I used to since they pulled it.

My wife had the gnarly puffy eyes goin for a while, she took claritin and it cleared up over time. We attributed it to tree pollen.

The rash and the swollen glad? What kind of gland? That is important.

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Could it be her immune system attacking her body's cells? Have they checked her lymph glands? Her cell count?

Any protein in her pee? Sugar? Have they done a UA (its not always for drugs)? Hows her kidneys doin? Liver? Apendix?


These are things they have to look at in order to eliminate any serious conditions that may manifest in these symptoms. It does not sound like a heart issue off hand.

Is she exposed to anything at yer Ex's that she is not when with you? Could it be enviromental?

Does she get better when with you and worse at yer Ex's? Process of elimination friend.

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Its hard to say whether it is an environmental thing. But she has had numerous issues with her tonsils which the doctors have refused to take out. I'm sure they have discounted that issue. I'm not very good with where glands etc are but I think they said the ones on her neck were up but were not the underlying problem. They said something about one on the back of her neck or back?? I don't know, but the swelling has gone done apparently which can only be a good sign I guess.

I'm not very good when it comes to this sort of thing, especially never having to go through it up until now. Its hard for me to explain it. They have taken 5 rounds of bloods and nothing. They may of taken urine but I'm not sure. She is off her drip for now and they are still taking precautions with her pulse but even that has stabalized for now. So it would seem she is on the mend but never the less, within 30 minutes today everything was ok, then next thing you know, doctors and a heart monitor... I don't understand it very well myself..

The other thing I will mention is I'm not aware of any allergies. She has never had any issues with pollen, milk, cats, bees etc. Maybe she run into something that caused an allergic reaction but it would b new to me..

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If we look through the history of Tetanus and the Vaccine, it's just a money-making scam, the vaccine doesn't work, Big Pharma use fear-mongering to make money. More information here www.vaclib.org...

"The Robert Koch Institute in Germany admits that 2/3 people who contract tetanus have been fully vaccinated"

"There is NO immunity to dirty wounds. Wound hygiene is essential."

"Tetanus incidence and mortality declined greatly BEFORE the widespread use of tetanus vaccine. (In excess of 99%)"

reply to post by DarknStormy


Keep in mind that you can become allergic to anything at anytime for any reason, and the severity of that reaction is soley based on your bodies tolerance to that allergy.

I would assume they checked out all of the usual suspects...only her tonsils may very well be the culprit as they are glands as well so to speak....perhaps its a strain of strep...if that spreads to your blood it can be the big suck....it can even kill you if strep is left untreated.

I am sorry you daughter is having a hard time and so the family.

Having children sick is not something we parents can take with a smile.

Let the doctors do spinal tap for meningitis if she doesn't get better that is the only way they can tell no with blood test.

If she responded to steroids and antibiotics then she obviously have an issue with swelling and infection.

If you feel that something is not right by all means push the doctors to do more.

Sometimes brain injuries can be cause by movement and no necessarily trauma by accident so be aware for how she looks and reacts

CTscans MRIs the hospitals have pleanty of ways to check the brain and find what is wrong if there is an issue with it.

I am not a doctor neither should you take my advise seriously but I hope it helps.

I have no answers for you, but just wanted to send my positive thoughts your way. My daughter is almost 11, and while she has certainly had illnesses, she has never been hospitalized. I know I would absolutely freak out if she was, so my heart goes out to you.

Please keep us informed on your daughter's recovery. Here's hoping the antibiotics worked on whatever it was.

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Like said before, no problem being wrong myself. But hey, welcome to ATS, I saw you joined to correct me. I joined back then to correct another member. Circle closed

reply to post by DarknStormy


Investigate Toxic encephalopathy if she has had vaccinations.

North Queensland and we have had a similar flu like situation going through our town.
My mother in law got it off the plane from Tasmania and we all got hit with pretty much the same thing.

Sore eyes, sore neck, sinus pain/ears, temps, cold/hot, then it moved down to our chests. This part I'm told will hang around for weeks.

We didn't however get a rash, although my youngest with fair skin usually does when he gets temps.

Vicks, Panadol, blankets/hot water bottle, wet cloths, lots of loving touching and physical support and I reckon she'll be right as rain.
It's sucks when kids get sick, you feel useless and incompetent, trust in both your skills as parents and don't panic.
and of course follow medical advice.

We were told we didn't need antibiotics.
Much positive thoughts to you and your family and a hug from up North

Last weekend one of my patients related a story of their young child having come down, with what seemed like the flu. Sore throat, which eventually turned into a fever, then hallucinations. It escalated and the doctors had no idea what it could be. It turns out their daughter had developed toxic shock syndrome. Only because one doctor had chanced upon an article and recalled the symptoms was it caught and their daughter got better.

I am relaying this, because it struck such a strange note with me.