Want REAL change? Just walk away.

Everybody (or most of us, at least) knows that there is something wrong with "the system" in all its forms: social, political, economic, cultural. There has been talk of revolution. I'm here to tell you today this is not the way forward.

The way forward is not revolution, violent or otherwise. It's not voting, and it's not "reform within existing channels." The only answer is to turn your backs on the whole mess and to just walk away. I don't mean walk away physically - I mean walk away "from the inside."

Some would call this apathy. I call it transcendence.

When you fight the system, see, you are engaging with it on its on terms. You are just playing their game in another way. 

For these corrupt systems to thrive, you need to give them Energy. That's all these systems are- ways of organizing energy. Without energy, the system dies. What most people don't grasp is that by resisting, fighting, arguing, or rebelling, you are just giving the system more energy, making it stronger by accepting and legitimizing it on its own terms. By turning your back on the system, on the other hand, you deprive it of the energy that is its lifeblood. Then it just shrivels up and dies of its own accord.

Examples: not happy with the money system? Make a new currency, or barter goods and services with others shut out by the official system. If enough people did this, they would get the goods and services they need, and the banks would simply be irrelevant. Not happy with military adventures? Simply turn your back and laugh. If enough people refuse to fight there will be no wars. And nothing deflates the warlike spirit like laughter.

Think about it, friends. That's all I ask. Thanks for reading.

it seems you're saying "ignore the problem", I'm not sure that's the best way of thinking. If America's leaders in the 18th century had thought this way we'd all be having evening Tea about now.

Originally posted by neOrevolutionist
it seems you're saying "ignore the problem", I'm not sure that's the best way of thinking. If America's leaders in the 18th century had thought this way we'd all be having evening Tea about now.

Not speaking for the OP, but there's a big difference between rejecting a system that isn't working, refusing to participate with it and creating a new system, as opposed to ignoring the problems which allows the problems to grow even worse. Up to now we've been taking the second route and it isn't helping.

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Ignore it and it'll go away?
I dont think so!

The vast majority of people dont even know what is happening and thats the reason it IS happening.

Nothing short of dragging them out and twisting their goolies is going to cure the problems the world is facing.

I'm fairly sure it's illegal to print your own currency.


You can take that one to the bank.

Originally posted by QUANTUMGR4V17Y
I'm fairly sure it's illegal to print your own currency.

You can take that one to the bank.

In "Rethinking Our Centralized Monetary System," law professor Lewis Soloman states, 'There is no legal prohibition to local scrip, community currencies or private exchange systems in the United States. The fact that there have been no challenges to the systems already in operation support that finding. Taxation operates under the same fundamental rules of trading with the national currency.'

www.lumiere.net...

So no, actually you can't take that to the bank.

Originally posted by frazzle
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www.lumiere.net...
So no, actually you can't take that to the bank.

Yup, took the words out of my mouth. I don't star often, but I did for you.

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Backatcha!

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Originally posted by neOrevolutionist
it seems you're saying "ignore the problem", I'm not sure that's the best way of thinking. If America's leaders in the 18th century had thought this way we'd all be having evening Tea about now.

No, you miss the point entirely. It's one thing to ignore a lion in the streets. Its another thing entirely to step out and fight the lion with your bare hands.

The best tactic is to outsmart the lion, if you can. This is what the OP is talking about. Not ignoring the lion. Not trying to fight the lion. But outsmarting the lion!

The problem is there aren't enough people ignoring it. People still watch the news read the paper and vote. Yes the first step is making the change yourself but the second is getting the masses to understand. Thing is with people chasing that new car and an 80in its hard to fathom.

Originally posted by Indigo Starchild
Everybody (or most of us, at least) knows that there is something wrong with "the system" in all its forms: social, political, economic, cultural. There has been talk of revolution. I'm here to tell you today this is not the way forward.

The way forward is not revolution, violent or otherwise. It's not voting, and it's not "reform within existing channels." The only answer is to turn your backs on the whole mess and to just walk away. I don't mean walk away physically - I mean walk away "from the inside."

Some would call this apathy. I call it transcendence.

When you fight the system, see, you are engaging with it on its on terms. You are just playing their game in another way. 

For these corrupt systems to thrive, you need to give them Energy. That's all these systems are- ways of organizing energy. Without energy, the system dies. What most people don't grasp is that by resisting, fighting, arguing, or rebelling, you are just giving the system more energy, making it stronger by accepting and legitimizing it on its own terms. By turning your back on the system, on the other hand, you deprive it of the energy that is its lifeblood. Then it just shrivels up and dies of its own accord.

Examples: not happy with the money system? Make a new currency, or barter goods and services with others shut out by the official system. If enough people did this, they would get the goods and services they need, and the banks would simply be irrelevant. Not happy with military adventures? Simply turn your back and laugh. If enough people refuse to fight there will be no wars. And nothing deflates the warlike spirit like laughter.

Think about it, friends. That's all I ask. Thanks for reading.

I physically walked (ok flew an airplane) away from the USA and haven't been happier. I moved away from Manila and live in the country and have a nice simple life. Best decision ever.

I completely agree with you, but would also add:

Not happy with how tax money is being spent? Don't pay taxes

Really your post means people have to understand responsibility and consequences, both of which most people have a hard time personally accept as theirs. And to your point of transcendence, it could be in a way, but most people may be confused why you behave that way =)

That's it exactly, the society we have now, in many countries have a lot of conveniences, I'd rather carry cash than herd cow's and carry fruit to trade, but a major reconstruction of how it is done and who sets these policies needs to be at least attempted. My conveniences create a living hell for other people and I feel I would have to give up temporarily, such things as transportation and electrical goods, until fair and sustainable manufacturing, extraction or even hopefully the release of alternate, clean energy devices are achieved. I know a few people who feel they are doing everything they can, protesting and creating awareness, yet still drive to such events and still purchase major brands, in my mind that's just an extension of politics, put there to keep us busy.
Example: in oz only one tv network will dare to criticize the government and big surprise, it's a non commercial network, funded solely by the government. Self sufficiency and not acknowledging tptb have power is one of many different ways this could be achieved, in my opinion it is all so the most realistic.

I agree with you OP great thread. I really like how you mentioned energy because the more I learn the more energy seems to be the focus. This way of thinking reminds me of an Einstein quote "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it". S+F

I'm reading a book called Walden by henry david thoreau

I highly recommend anyone who likes the idea of this subject to read it, it was written 150 years ago and it is so relevant

What you are seeing is a very successful methodology to move large populations from an old system into a new system where they think they are free. Let me explain. This method has worked for literally thousands of years. Our supposed masters have lots of power via stuff (money, land, con jobs). They want to consolidate and make it easier to manage.

They have tried various systems from Tyrant, to Regal King, to pretend democracy, to Republics, Communism and each had the benefits and their pitfalls. America is the worst one for them because the upstarts actually think they are in control dammit! That one has GOT to go, but how do we do it? Well, you slowly, and I mean very slowly start bringing in ideas of social reform. Well, first you have to be complete control freaks and not allow freedoms for some and make them hate you and then pretend to give them freedom only to put them on a less obvious plantation. Then you have to get everyone else to want to be on the plantation.

Then you slowly attack the spiritual foundation, family, patriotism (false wars, bad behavior around the world) and well, like any landlord who has an apartment building they want to tear down and move the tenants into a newer one with better controls, you slowly make the old building seem really really bad. Destroy the environment, let crime run rampant, make sure they are sick in mind, body and spirit, and let them all blame each other, never you. It's the Hegelian Dialectic. Problem, crisis, solution.

Problem - Republic / Freedom / individualism

Crisis - Economy falling apart, loss of jobs, families destroyed etc, environmental disasters

Solutions - New happy one world working together in love and joy (well that's the story) and as long as you go along with it then you will be a good lil tenant. Go against it and well, you get a vacation to X paradise only it's really Logan's run.

The ultimate goal is total and complete control of all the worlds resources and people but don't let them feel controlled. Let them believe they are ascending! Yeh, that's the ticket! It's like those new zoos. The old ones with the animals in small concrete enclosures were enjoyable for a while, but the animals just didn't do well. So, build new bigger zoos that look like the Savannah. The animals think they have "ascended" and are in paradise when the prison is just so big they don't notice it... well most of them don't.

It's all a lie, but the first and greatest lie we always fall for, "Ye shall be as gods".

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It's been an ongoing wish of mine. To just walk away. Walking didn't work. Driving didn't either. Even flying did not get me far enough away. I've lived many places, and have been lucky enough to find myself immersed in a few very different cultures. Of course there are places to live, which are better than other places, but I haven't seen a place yet without an official system of economic control. At least not a place I'd like to call home.

Make a new currency, or barter goods and services with others shut out by the official system. If enough people did this, they would get the goods and services they need, and the banks would simply be irrelevant.

I like the idea, but is it practical? Where will we go to live, in order to freely barter goods and services? I think most developed countries would make it very hard for us. At the very least, the idea makes me think of heavy fines and penalties. I think the worse case scenario would come if we managed to get the barter idea to go large scale. It wouldn't be long until they would start to collect us up and send us to a work camp.

Thanks for contributing everyone.

I want to stress (to Phillippines and Taumusen in particular) that I am not talking about PHYSICALLY moving to a different location. If that's what you take away from my post you haven't understood my message in the slightest. That's just escaping or putting off the problem.

The walking away we have to do is in our minds. And in our hearts. Followed by loving, committed action right wherever we happen to be.

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I understand what you mean. I like the idea of barter. I already see it happening everyday. I only mentioned the travel, because I don't think there is any developed country that would tolerate a larger barter system. I get the idea that we share a dislike for the current economic systems, even if t is for different reasons.

I guess instead of where to set it up, I should have asked how would you propose to set it up. That's really what I was after. Within the current established systems, I expect it is impossible to live fully on the barter system. Even at the hippiest of communes, someone is at least using cash to pay the property taxes.

yeah the problem is that as soon as you start to achieve real progress and actually solve problems they will kill you..

KILL YOU.

Look at everyone we have gone to war with in the ME because they wanted to change from dollars to gold dinars or Euros for international debt settlement. Everyone who was not part of the international bank system. They are all dead or have death and destruction in their lands. Rape, murder, extortion, aerial bombardment, people using your leaders cadaver´s head as a puppet, mercenaries running amuck, ect ect.


There is no solution as long as we are in denial about having a mortal enemy in our midst. Yeah you may not want to go dancing or to a cocktail lounge if you think about it, but it is still true.

Capitulation or death. Those are the options we are offered. Keep asking for them to play nice or just go away.

I think the problem is that people don't want real change
they want better lives but they are not willing to sacrifice anything
they still want their shiny cars, new homes, brand clothes, cheap grocery etc

One thing about TPTB is that they have made it very hard for people to reject
everytime you buy something from any big name company you are giving power to TPTB
and its with your money that you are voting who has power and who doesn't

its like how walmart kills local shops, its not really walmart killing the local shops.
it is the locals making that decision with their money, just to save a dollar or two.
ultimately the decision is on the average consumer

the only reason why big oil is still alive is because people guy gas, the only reason why
big banks are still alive is because people use their services.

All it comes to is if you are willing to carry cash instead of using cards and checks,
if you are willing to bike to work instead of driving your SUV

the truth is most people would gladly exchange freedom for convenience and materialism
lets be honest, how many people do you know that will gladly live like it was pre industrial revolution times
most people are so materialistic and so dependent on material goods that going against TPTB
would be tantamount to going against their own self

in that sense materialistic people ARE TPTB.
you might not be reaping the benefits of TPTB but you are keeping them alive.
we are TPTB, the only difference is that TPTB is benefiting and the rest is having the short end of the stick

ask the guy whose pride comes from his big house and an expensive car, would he be willing to let go
of his pride and self worth? is he willing to destroy what he thinks he is in order to help the less fortunate?
I believe most would answer "no"

TLDR:
the problem is not them against us, the problem is on both sides.
one side would not exist without the other so instead of blaming TPTB
it is equally valid to blame the average joe