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Originally posted by iIuminaIi
reply to post by coyote66
You must a bonafide troll ?
edit on 23-7-2012 by iIuminaIi because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by iIuminaIi
Based on this history, many Muslims reject using the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The faith of Islam has historically had no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon. It is certainly not in uniform use among Muslims.
islam.about.com...
Originally posted by coyote66
Originally posted by iIuminaIi
Based on this history, many Muslims reject using the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The faith of Islam has historically had no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon. It is certainly not in uniform use among Muslims.
islam.about.com...
Exactly, the people are rejecting, because they have no clue whats really going on. But whats about their religius leaders? Why dont they just ban the crescent moon? AFAIK, Islamic fundamentalists fears nothing but Allah. So why is the moon still in every Islamic prayer house then? You are talking in circles mate, you are definetely a disinfo guy. Congratulations
Strange how dedicated some posters are to rate a star? Who are you people, are you a traditional Islam since birth? Or just paid trolls/impostors, or some escapist who believes he can be saved by an entity you dont even have a clue about?
Originally posted by DCLXVI
Originally posted by coyote66
Originally posted by iIuminaIi
Based on this history, many Muslims reject using the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The faith of Islam has historically had no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon. It is certainly not in uniform use among Muslims.
islam.about.com...
Exactly, the people are rejecting, because they have no clue whats really going on. But whats about their religius leaders? Why dont they just ban the crescent moon? AFAIK, Islamic fundamentalists fears nothing but Allah. So why is the moon still in every Islamic prayer house then? You are talking in circles mate, you are definetely a disinfo guy. Congratulations
Strange how dedicated some posters are to rate a star? Who are you people, are you a traditional Islam since birth? Or just paid trolls/impostors, or some escapist who believes he can be saved by an entity you dont even have a clue about?
I am neither Christian or Muslim but have studied theology for well over 15 years. To reduce Islam or Christianity to mere Symbols that predates both religion by thousands of years is complete non sense. Do you think that these 3 billion followers care about the moon or sun ? No they don't, they care about the message and what it brings them.
Also good job on calling people trolls/impostors/ "disinfo guy" (hilarious) when you have been completely refuted on every aspect of your thread. A thread that starts with a false premise, that deals with deep content with surface details and that has Wikipedia for a source.
Originally posted by MysteriousHusky
As per earlier postings, it's no secret sexuality was widely explored in humanity's history. It may have been suppressed during stages but it has been present and still is today.
Regarding the above quote however, I believe this encapsulates an excluded perspective...
Originally posted by goh13
Uhhhh....I stopped reading after you said Muslims enter every room with their left foot. First, it does not really matter what foot you enter a room with. It is not a sin, you know.
2nd, we enter rooms with our right foot. For some reason, Islam likes the right side of the body more than the left. You should eat with your right hand too.
Is not that "piller" a sign of evil in the ancient Egyptian mythology? I can’t name in it in English but it is called مسلة in Arabic.
EDIT: Obelisk. The piller is called Obelisk in English. It is related to the Egyptian sun god, Ra. I just googled it, it might be wrong :pedit on 23-7-2012 by goh13 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DCLXVI
I am neither Christian or Muslim but have studied theology for well over 15 years. To reduce Islam or Christianity to mere Symbols that predates both religion by thousands of years is complete non sense. Do you think that these 3 billion followers care about the moon or sun ? No they don't, they care about the message and what it brings them.
Also good job on calling people trolls/impostors/ "disinfo guy" (hilarious) when you have been completely refuted on every aspect of your thread. A thread that starts with a false premise, that deals with deep content with surface details and that has Wikipedia for a source.
Originally posted by iIuminaIi
reply to post by coyote66
Albert einstein said:
"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
You are very "unlearned" lovely.Next time i'd suggest you use bigger "magnifying glass" for Guileless research, babe.
Reply To Robert Morey's Moon-God Allah Myth: A Look At The Archaeological Evidence [color=grey]/ A must read for those who are seeking truth and surely falshood and ignorance shall perish.
One of the favourite arguments of the Christian missionaries over many years had been that Allah of the Qur'an was in fact a pagan Arab "Moon-god" from pre-Islamic times.
The seeds of this argument were sown by the work of the Danish scholar Ditlef Nielsen, who divided the Semitic deities into a triad of Father-Moon, Mother-Sun and Son-Venus.[1] His ideas (esp., triadic hypothesis) were used uncritically by later scholars who came to excavate many sites in the Near East and consequently assigned astral significance to the deities that they had found.
Since 1991 Ditlef Nielsen's views were given a new and unexpected twist by the Christian polemicist Robert Morey. In a series of pamphlets, books and radio programs, he claimed that "Allah" of the Qur'an was nothing but the pagan Arab "Moon-god". To support his views, he presented evidences from the Near East which can be seen in "Appendix C: The Moon God and Archeology" from his book The Islamic Invasion: Confronting The World's Fastest-Growing Religion and it was subsequently reprinted with minor changes as a booklet called The Moon-God Allah In The Archeology Of The Middle East.
[2] It can justifiably be said that this book lies at the heart of missionary propaganda against Islam today. The popularity of Morey's ideas was given a new breath of life by another Christian polemicist Jack T. Chick, who drew a fictionalised racially stereotyped story entitled "Allah Had No Son".
This jolly fella nails it
"We have the truth, we have the proof" - Yusuf Estes
Do Muslims Worship a moon god & a black box in the desert?
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Bonus
'It really makes me think about becoming a Muslim"
'The call to prayer happens five times a day, and for the first week, it drives you crazy, and then it just gets into your spirit, and it's the most beautiful, beautiful thing,' he said.
edit on 22-7-2012 by iIuminaIi because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by racasan
I think the op’s point that Christianity is a sun cult is correct (Jesus is a representation of the sun and so never existed) but linking Islam with the moon is more difficult
However there is the Satanic Verses
en.wikipedia.org...
Allāt, al-'Uzzā and Manāt were three goddesses worshipped by the Meccans in Moe’s time and Allāt is linked with Venus and the Moon (she seems to have developed into the Roman goddess Venus)
Ok so in Arabic the word for God is “Ilah”, but Allah a specific name of a god – so is it possible that Allah is the masculinised name of the goddess Allat?
And I want to add this. A ritual is a means to signify something that in reality has no meaning whatsoever. It gives people the illusion that the event/object has trully occured or trully exist. When in fact it is completely non-existent. Why would something that trully exist want/need to be acknowledged of its existance, all the time? The only reason why something must be believed is because it never happened or doesnt really exist.
Originally posted by coyote66
but is this another proof Islam is made by the secret mystery school, whom the Roman patricians were part of?edit on 23-7-2012 by coyote66 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by deepankarm
Who says moon is feminine.
Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
The sun and the moon
Exactly!
What's up with the middle east women then? I haven't seen evedence of them being empowered by their reverence to the moon, or aren't they allowed to? It is a very 'man' run area.
The sun is most deffinately masculine
In this lays the reason they keep their women out of the sun, not just the weather/climate, and only their eyes show.
He is the judge, but she is the death dealer imo....maybe....
I like your thread though, sorry for rambling, just glad someone else is thinking along these lines too. makes me feel less freakish and confused.
According to Hindus, he is a male.
Originally posted by coyote66
I may sound rude, but to me, only stupid people will completely believe in the monotheistic god. Since they are too lazy or unable to thinker for themselves. Or just too deeply brainwashed in prolonged timespan.
And I want to add this. A ritual is a means to signify something that in reality has no meaning whatsoever. It gives people the illusion that the event/object has trully occured or trully exist. When in fact it is completely non-existent.
edit on 23-7-2012 by coyote66 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by iIuminaIi
The crescent moon and star is an internationally-recognized symbol of the faith of Islam. The symbol is featured on the flags of several Muslim countries, and is even part of the official emblem for the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies. The Christians have the cross, the Jews have the star of David, and the Muslims have the crescent moon, right?
What is the history behind the crescent moon symbol? What does it symbolize or mean? How and when did it become associated with the faith of Islam? Is it a valid symbol for the faith?
The crescent moon and star symbol actually pre-dates Islam by several thousand years. Information on the origins of the symbol are difficult to ascertain, but most sources agree that these ancient celestial symbols were in use by the peoples of Central Asia and Siberia in their worship of sun, moon, and sky gods. There are also reports that the crescent moon and star were used to represent the Carthaginian goddess Tanit or the Greek goddess Diana.
The city of Byzantium (later known as Constantinople and Istanbul) adopted the crescent moon as its symbol. According to some reports, they chose it in honor of the goddess Diana. Others indicate that it dates back to a battle in which the Romans defeated the Goths on the first day of a lunar month. In any event, the crescent moon was featured on the city's flag even before the birth of Christ.
The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Islamic armies and caravans flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writing, or symbolism on it.
It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and as you will see on the following page, it is still not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today.
For hundreds of years, the Ottoman Empire ruled over the Muslim world. After centuries of battle with Christian Europe, it is understandable how the symbols of this empire became linked in people's minds with the faith of Islam as a whole.
Based on this history, many Muslims reject using the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The faith of Islam has historically had no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon. It is certainly not in uniform use among Muslims.
islam.about.com...