False Flag Alert in Aurora : Biggest Mass Shooting in the History of the USA is not a coincidence

reply to post by Ben81


Regarding what Alex is saying about Scopolamine.
One utterly insane drug...

I strongly recommend to see this documentary.


Hmmm!

The drug has been used for some time, in significantly smaller doses, by Nasa for the treatment of motion sickness.

Nasa use of Scopolamine

Originally posted by six67seven
It's funny how the OP gives 10 points, and plenty of people scoff at point 8. To me, people are trying to dismiss the whole OP due to #8. But I think #8 stands and here is why...

he didn't just have the three guns and ammo stated in the OP. He had a booby trapped apt. He had tear gas cannisters. He had kevlar. He had a gas mask. Why are people not even considering the possibility that he had more items in his apartment. Or do you think his life led up to him buying ONLY the items we know of, so he can complete this one false flag.... I mean massacre.

The guy can only carry so much on his person

Let's think about it, shall we...

edit on 20-7-2012 by six67seven because: (no reason given)

What exactly is your point?

How does the idea that this individual has a larger, more dangerous, and illegal arsenal and supplies lend any legitimacy to the idea that this is a false flag, a conspiracy, or anything or the sort?

Are you under the impression that people are unable to produce explosives, and procure body armor and gas masks without some level of government involvement? Because that impression would be totally false. It's the same fallacy as saying that the guns he had somehow were uncommon, unusual, etc. It's the same concept. The OP is simply wrong about that idea.

Whether or not there WAS government involvement, or a conspiracy is at play here is impossible to say. But its an absolute fact that the "evidence" you guys are showing to support this hypothesis is non-consequential and doesn't support the claim in any way.

Originally posted by Ben81


These is clearly to many hole
i didnt know you could order THOUSAND of bullet on the internet
with the trillion dollars cyber department that have thousand of analyst searching for such profile
how come the autorities didnt prevent this .. it should alarm all CIA FBI and Pentagone computer
if such a purchase is done

Here you go again...

What you see as holes in the story, are simply holes in your knowledge. You are ignorant of certain things and this is why stuff doesn't make sense to you.

You say that ordering thousands of rounds of ammo is suspicious? It's not, sorry, once again you are just wrong. Thousands upon thousands of people order thousands upon thousands of rounds of ammo all the time.

I have a friend that just recently did a large bulk order for 2,000 rounds of military surplus old stock 7.62x54r ammo cans for all of us shooting buddies to split up to use with our Mosin Nagants. It's much cheaper that way.

How exactly should the CIA and FBI have stopped this? Because he ordered a lot of ammo? So what, that means absolutely nothing. As I said tons of people order large amounts of ammo. Almost every site has discount prices for buying large bulk amounts of ammo.

Just because YOU are ignorant doesn't mean there is a false flag conspiracy going on. You keep harping on the idea that his guns and ammo were suspicious and would have raised red flags for the authorities. You are flat out WRONG, and I don't know how many ways to say this to get it through to you. The FBI would be doing absolutely NOTHING but watching innocent firearms enthusiasts if they tracked down every person to order bulk amounts of ammo.

So to re-cap, your idea that ordering large amounts of ammo sends up red flags, or is suspicious is absolutely, totally false. You are just wrong. Please accept this fact and quit repeating it and it only demonstrates your own ignorance.

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
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Why would anyone go out and randomly murder people?

Why? What purpose does it serve?

So that when Obama signs the UN arms treaty Americans will be "ok" with it! They'll think they are preventing this type of future attack. They'll think they are preventing all future massacres. So that when TSA is at every public place they'll be "ok" with it. It seems to be working too because I see calls for the US to become gun free like other sitting duck nations. Americans seem to want to trade their freedom for security. The preplanned attacks are working on those without the capacity to think!

Originally posted by mattdel


I'd be willing to bet at least half of Congress disagrees with you, at least about the Law part. Incase you haven't noticed the tons of laws being passed in the past 10 years that ever so neatly creates sidesteps to those "laws" you mention. I'm sure one of the more knowledgeable members here has a list created somewhere. Search button ^^^

Your argument is based off the notion that law is law, and everyone in power adheres to that. That's a laughable theory to hinge an argument on.

edit on 20-7-2012 by mattdel because: (no reason given)

That's like saying just because a criminal commits a bank robbery somehow it's now not illegal to rob a bank.

People breaking a law doesn't mean that law is no longer valid. So I'm not really sure what you are getting at? The constitution IS LAW, PERIOD. If certain government officials don't abide by it, they are criminals who are breaking the law. The same as a bank robber. And in the same way a bank robber robbing a bank doesn't somehow nullify the laws against bank robbery, government officials breaking constitutional law doesn't nullify the constitution as being law.

reply to post by Zaanny


Exactly! I tried Spokeo, Peekyou, MyLife, Facebook, Twitter etc. I found NOTHING. Even a search of his name in Aurora did not turn up a hit for his place of residence! The closest I came was one James Holmes with a P.O box number in Aurora.

Originally posted by Ben81
If it was a deranged killer mad about life or something
he wouldnt go massacre a hundred people in a cinema with such a huge arsenal
with thousand of rounds that he bought
why he didnt go against federal office or a police dept
he was dressed like robocop ready to face people that will shoot back
not a bunch of civilians with their kids in a middle of the Dark Knight Rise movie
if a mad elite that wanted the movie to have real significance
they would do exactly that .. mass murdering civilians for their agenda
and disinfo spreading on TV

If that had happened in Africa or another country
people would lynch him to death
and be able to identify him on the spot after taking off his mask

but nooo .. a police van took him off quickly
and he didnt resist at all .. wonder why

edit on 7/20/2012 by Ben81 because: (no reason given)

So if he is a plant by the government what is the point of him wearing body armor?

You propose that him wearing body armor proves that he isn't just some lone nut but connected to something bigger and government related. If that's true, the same question still remains, why was he wearing body armor.

The whole body armor aspect doesn't support or disprove ANY theory at all. It's a worthless aspect of the crime.

reply to post by riddle6

How does a med student with high honors (meaning very studious) have the time to plan this out, and plan out and execute an intricate booby trapping of his apartment? How does a med student have the funds to purchase all he supposedly did in just two months? The 5000 rounds weren't cheap. The hand guns, shot gun and rifle weren't cheap! The armor wasn't cheap! How did a med student afford that?

Originally posted by SeenMyShare
reply to post by riddle6

 

How does a med student with high honors (meaning very studious) have the time to plan this out, and plan out and execute an intricate booby trapping of his apartment? How does a med student have the funds to purchase all he supposedly did in just two months? The 5000 rounds weren't cheap. The hand guns, shot gun and rifle weren't cheap! The armor wasn't cheap! How did a med student afford that?

Med school isn't cheap. Sure he could have financial aid and student loans, but it's likely this kid has money from another source. Whether it be family or whatever.

And what makes you think he generated all the money for these supplies in only two months? For all you know he could have a savings account he has been putting money into for 10 years. Generally people outside of the lower class have a decent amount of money in savings. Considering he was going to med school and had a Phd something tells me he was at least middle class, which means having the 10 grand at MOST required to buy all that stuff isn't that odd.

These are the coming days ahead.

A perfect opportunity has arisen to further government and security invasive scrutiny of the public.

Regal customers also can expect to have purses and smaller bags checked, according to one exhibitor. Regal isn't officially commenting on specific procedures, such as checked bags.

A spokesperson for the Los Angeles Police Department told THR that the department will deploy extra uniformed officers to venues throughout the city. Undercover police officers also will conduct spot checks in theaters.

Undercover officers "will walk in, sit next to regular citizens. They won't stay for the entire movie but they will be looking for anything out of the ordinary," the spokesperson said.

'Dark Knight' Shooting...

This will increase the range of public fear and mistrust of other people for a short while, just a long enough time to introduce further laws and policies that will restrict the sovereign freedom of people. I am not saying this event was designed as an insidious false flag operation until more definitive evidence is forthcoming but regardless to which the political agendas are becoming more transparent.

reply to post by James1982

My point was that his money came from another source. I would like to know what that source was.

Originally posted by James1982

Originally posted by Ben81


These is clearly to many hole
i didnt know you could order THOUSAND of bullet on the internet
with the trillion dollars cyber department that have thousand of analyst searching for such profile
how come the autorities didnt prevent this .. it should alarm all CIA FBI and Pentagone computer
if such a purchase is done

Here you go again...

What you see as holes in the story, are simply holes in your knowledge. You are ignorant of certain things and this is why stuff doesn't make sense to you.

You say that ordering thousands of rounds of ammo is suspicious? It's not, sorry, once again you are just wrong. Thousands upon thousands of people order thousands upon thousands of rounds of ammo all the time.

I have a friend that just recently did a large bulk order for 2,000 rounds of military surplus old stock 7.62x54r ammo cans for all of us shooting buddies to split up to use with our Mosin Nagants. It's much cheaper that way.

How exactly should the CIA and FBI have stopped this? Because he ordered a lot of ammo? So what, that means absolutely nothing. As I said tons of people order large amounts of ammo. Almost every site has discount prices for buying large bulk amounts of ammo.

Just because YOU are ignorant doesn't mean there is a false flag conspiracy going on. You keep harping on the idea that his guns and ammo were suspicious and would have raised red flags for the authorities. You are flat out WRONG, and I don't know how many ways to say this to get it through to you. The FBI would be doing absolutely NOTHING but watching innocent firearms enthusiasts if they tracked down every person to order bulk amounts of ammo.

So to re-cap, your idea that ordering large amounts of ammo sends up red flags, or is suspicious is absolutely, totally false. You are just wrong. Please accept this fact and quit repeating it and it only demonstrates your own ignorance.

Very good post

Very correct. Getting large orders of ammo is not hard at all. In fact it makes it more cost effective with the fees for shipping things like ammo and./or reloading components. I often order ammo by the thousand. Makes the cost per round a little cheaper. Same when I order slugs, powder, and primers. It's like a HAZMAT fee but I believe it's worded different. Other than pissing off the UPS or Fed Ex guy there's not a thing in the world wring with ordering ammo like that. I'd say the shooter had a 90 round snail mag like THIS ONE . I've always wanted one but never have spent the money on one yet. I do have around 40-45 thirty round mags though for my AR15 (M4gery really) . I'd like to know what is the difference in buying ammo in bulk compared to any thing else I have not used in a crime? It's cheaper fees and I always see the piece per round cheaper if you buy in larger quantities. I could order lard that way too I guess but does that make me an artery clogging killer? Of course not.

I love to shoot. I try to get out and squeeze off some rounds at least a couple times a week.I live in a rural area so going to the store to but 100 rounds (or is that too much too?) when ever I want5o step out on my land and shoot a little. I own AR15s, AK47s, SKSs (all semi auto anti gun ppl) and many more long and short guns. Because I love to shoot. I'm sure that plenty will be calling for more restrictions on me because being I own these black scary rifles I'm surly some nut that needs stopped before I can do something stupid. It's a poor mechanic that blames his tools for bad work. And people should not be expected to pay a punishment for something I did not do.

I can't say the OP is wrong or not about it all being some false flag thing. I don't think so, I think it was some nut that wanted fame or something else totally insane. But, our government has done some pretty funky stuff so it's not like they don't have the mind-set or the means. But unless that shooter had all full auto guns he bought on some black market or found a way to get the parts and alter his to become full auto he had semi automatic weapons. You can get full auto weapons but it takes forever and you pretty much give up your rights to a legal search for said weapons at any time. The class three tax stamp takes no less than six month to acquire. And you can not have any blemish on your record. So even with a full ban the guy could get what he wanted. Laws just help criminals drive up prices.

Good lord and you imagine every "large order" popping a red flag? I'd hate to even think about it.
BTW, How you like the Mosin? I'm a huge fan of old military rifles. It's next on my list. I just got a Rem 03A3. Man it's a blast.

Originally posted by IamAbeliever
reply to post by Dustytoad

 

The thing that makes me even think that this may have the slightest chance of being MK/Ultra or any other term you want to choose is his demeanor at the time of his arrest.

Much like Jared Laughner or Sirhan Sirhan, this guy put up no struggle at the time of his arrest. An eerie calm as if they knew the mission were accomplished, and they hadn't been "programmed" how to act after the fact.

edit on 20-7-2012 by IamAbeliever because: (no reason given)

THIS! This is what made my flag go up. Why the hell would someone who committed such an atrocity wait patiently for the LE to arrive? Why would he be all decked out and not fight? Makes zero sense. I listened to Alex Jones show yesterday and completely agreed with what he was going on about. It's gotta be black ops! And around the time of the treaty??

Oh, I'd like to add t hat if more CCW holders where around maybe things like this wouldn't happen as often. They usually practice much more than police and are much better shots. The shooter might of had protection on but he was mobile so he had an open place to put a shot. Maybe a frisky Grand Pa like THIS GUY

reply to post by LiberalSceptic


Wow. Wild. Maybe it's what Jared L. was on...

I have felt that there is something about the story that didn't seem right. You make some good points here, especially about his face being hidden from witnesses. However, this was not the biggest mass shooting in America.... Virginia Tech was worse.

reply to post by James1982

The constitution IS LAW, PERIOD

actually, it's NOT.
never has been and wasn't constructed to be such.
until you learn the truth, try preaching to a choir singing your tune.

What is being shown in this picture? It appears to me, that there is a lot of blood all around, especially by the doorway with the rifle in it. It seems that there is also a riot shield at the corner of the building. It also looks like there are evidence placards all over the place, as if they are marking shell casings from a shootout. What is the splatter going down the sidewalk?

I think that the shooter may have put up a fight before being arrested, and possibly was shot or killed in this area. I want to know what is happening in this picture. Maybe someone can embed it for me. Thanks

reply to post by DrumJunkie


UH OH Better watch out! According to the OP you are now being tracked down by the FBI and CIA for ordering bulk ammo Heh heh I know exactly what you mean about how crazy it would be for every single "large order" of ammo to pop a red flag. That would be insane. Like I said in my last post the entire force of the FBI would be busy chasing after law abiding gun enthusiasts who simply buy bulk to get cheaper ammo and save shipping costs.

I love the Mosin! They are so cheap it's ridiculous. For it's age, accuracy is pretty damn impressive on mine, at least for using iron sights. I've been wanting to scope it, but then I'd need a new bolt handle as the stock one is straight, instead of curved down to give clearance for a scope.

The one I have is a re-armored one made from a stock, barrel, bolt etc from different guns, so unfortunately it's not all original or anything. Which is actually a plus for me, because the rifling and bore on the rifle are near PERFECT. More crisp rifling than on some 5 year old rifles I've seen heh heh. It's missing the cleaning rod and sling, but works wonderfully. Very reliable. Out of probably a few thousand rounds not a single FTF or FTE Shooting it is a blast, and cheap, especially when getting those old school bulk ammo tins. The 7.62x54 packs quite a punch, I usually shoot up in the hills and when I start popping off rounds I get quite a few looks.

The one issue I've had is that after shooting a lot, it becomes extremely difficult to slam the bolt forward into battery and lock it down. Unlocking the bolt also becomes quite difficult. A quick cleaning obviously fixes this issue, but compared to modern 30-06, 30-30 etc rifles I've shot the Mosin fouls up way faster. I've read a lot about old ammo being corrosive or whatever else, so perhaps it's an issue with dirty ammo, I'm not really sure.

But for the price you can't beat a Mosin for reliability, accuracy, and power. In addition to scoping mine I've been wanting to modernize it. You can get new synthetic stocks super cheap that make the rifle look almost like a modern bolt action. As I said aftermarket bolts are also available. For around $300 you can put together a decked out Mosin with scope, new bolt, synthetic stock, and bipod, which will compete with many modern bolt actions costing many times as much, and look almost the same.

But if you like the look and feel of older weapons this route isn't for you. Just keep her completely stock and clean and I promise you'll be happy! And if you aren't, heck you only wasted the price of a tank of gas

reply to post by James1982

The whole body armor aspect doesn't support or disprove ANY theory at all. It's a worthless aspect of the crime.

are you serious ??
the one component you seem to be over-looking is that of "mystery"
no one witnessed the accused committing any such act
no on-site witness has identified Holmes as the shooter
worthless aspect of the crime ?? how can the shooters identity be verified without a witness ??
oh yeah, we're supposed to take the governments word for it, right?