Mass shooting in Aurora, CO (At Batman Film Premiere)

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

What are you exiting TO....with that gun in your hand? The armed response outside sure didn't get a memo on who was good or bad..and you see what that might get to in less time than it took me to type it.

To be honest, I've had that exact thought many times, and I don't think I would ever admit to being the "good samaritan" or "vigilante" or whatever they decided to brand it. I think once the threat was neutralized, I would conceal my gun, exit with the crowd and start saying, "did you see that other guy with the gun take him out?"

To many legal pitfalls, and too much chance for exactly what you say. No Way I'm walking out of that situation with a gun in my hand.

Originally posted by filosophia
Would he really risk putting a gun and gas mask outside an emergency exit during opening night?

Not sure if you saw the pictures, but his car was parked near the exits... all he had to do was exit, pop the trunk and gear up.. he would surely not have left it sitting on the walk .. the gear was in his car... which is where he was found standing when police apprehended him.

Im betting there will be a ton of people going to the theater armed now. Paranoia strikes deep, I can bet there will be some arrests of those people as well. When people get scared, people start carrying.

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
I had no idea so many psychologists posted at ATS. A lot of you just have this guy figured out already.

/sarcasm

you must be new to ATS everyone knows everything about anything

I posted this a few pages back and thought I would again. I'd recommend you pick up Programmed to Kill by David McGowan. Many of the cases he talks about in that book are eerily similar to this one.

The book description is as follows:

The specter of the marauding serial killer has become a relatively common feature on the American landscape. Reactions to these modern-day monsters range from revulsion to morbid fascination--fascination that is either fed by, or a product of, the saturation coverage provided by print and broadcast media, along with a dizzying array of books, documentary films, websites, and "Movies of the Week".

The prevalence in Western culture of images of serial killers (and mass murderers) has created in the public mind a consensus view of what a serial killer is. Most people are aware, to some degree, of the classic serial killer 'profile.' But what if there is a much different 'profile'--one that has not received much media attention?

In Programmed to Kill, acclaimed and always controversial author David McGowan takes a fresh look at the lives of many of America's most notorious accused murderers, focusing on the largely hidden patterns that suggest that there may be more to the average serial killer story than meets the eye.

Think you know everything there is to know about serial killers? Or is it possible that sometimes what everyone 'knows' to be true isn't really true at all?

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by paratus
I absolutely could have placed 8 of 9 shots of .380 on target in a theater.
Shooting down from above the target below the seating would be better as well.
Although I have a crimson trace laser that I'm not sure I would have used it during a gas attack due to revealing my location.

More carry permits equals a safer public...

And that concealed weapon could very well save your life or someone else's one day.. but suggesting you would have had the frame of mind to draw your weapon and shoot him ( moving target ) 8 or 9 times on target from across the dark, tear gas filled theater with people running around in panic is pure ego.. I doubt you could have even seen him from across the theater with two teargas canisters having been let off .. let alone reliably hit him without risk of killing an innocent teenage kid.

I shoot often, every week around 100 or so rounds.
I feel very confident I could put lead on target at that range.
If I had any other pistol other than my 380 (which is my every day carry) I GUARANTEE I would have killed him.
The 380 is the only "comfortable" IWB carry I can deal with. Summertime...

reply to post by getreadyalready


Thats' pretty rare though. More likely you acidently carry it thinking you got protection, then you acceidently shoot yourself in the foot with it.

reply to post by PhantomLimb


I get what you are saying BUT - You really do not have to be a psychologist to attempt to understand human behavior. Everyone of us does it every day. There's not much that makes psychologists all that special except they want to make money and a career out of it. It is human nature to constantly access and judge other's actions and motivations. You'd be a fool not to.

reply to post by xrevxoltx

Sad.

Violence is just the outward expression of inner turmoil.

We have to love each other.

When you pass someone on the street, no matter how they look, smile at them.

Make everybody feel accepted.

And strive to understand them, no matter how much they disgust you.

This may catch me some flack, but understanding is where the love is.

We need some cops and security because we're not perfect. But if we're not also striving to understand and love each other, it does nothing for us. They need each other.

Originally posted by r2d246
reply to post by coven83

 

can you post a link to that mural?

Here is a youtube vid about it. I will look for something a little more in depth.

www.youtube.com...

Obviously the message is:

An ordinary citizen is the most dangerous citizen.

James Holmes, like Bane, IS an ordinary citizen and (like in Game of Thrones and some other actual series) it teaches us that Evil is part of us, immanent to life.

Originally posted by r2d246
reply to post by elmoastro

 

Also the phycho's usually go out in a blaze where they shoot themselves or allow the police to shoot them. Not turn themselves in as if it was part of the deal.

From what I understand, there were already police directing traffic at the theater because of the premier. Also, the police station is right across the street. I think the police arrived too quickly for him to get away, maybe too soon for him to shoot himself (was probably too scared to do it and hesitated, or out of bullets). I think they caught him too quick, and he didn't resist (was probably too scared to do that too).

I don't think he planned on living through the event... I don't see a point in booby trapping an apartment with explosives just to tell police that they are there and have them be cautious. I think he expected to be dead, and have police break into his apartment and set off the traps unexpectedly.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

What are you exiting TO....with that gun in your hand? The armed response outside sure didn't get a memo on who was good or bad..and you see what that might get to in less time than it took me to type it.

To be honest, I've had that exact thought many times, and I don't think I would ever admit to being the "good samaritan" or "vigilante" or whatever they decided to brand it. I think once the threat was neutralized, I would conceal my gun, exit with the crowd and start saying, "did you see that other guy with the gun take him out?"

To many legal pitfalls, and too much chance for exactly what you say. No Way I'm walking out of that situation with a gun in my hand.

I'm with you on that!!!

Transferred Intent would be a major player in a full theater.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by filosophia
Would he really risk putting a gun and gas mask outside an emergency exit during opening night?

Not sure if you saw the pictures, but his car was parked near the exits... all he had to do was exit, pop the trunk and gear up.. he would surely not have left it sitting on the walk .. the gear was in his car... which is where he was found standing when police apprehended him.

Yep. I often park around the back of the theatre near the rear exits. The parking spots are always empty, there is rarely anyone walking back there. It is a long walk around to the front ticket office, but when the show is over, I get right to my car and out of the parking lot before anyone else is even to their car.

If he was planning this thing like it seems he was, then it would have been very easy to put everything he needed into the trunk of a car and have it right next to the exit.

Also, the twitter feeds are saying a lot of people were dressed in costumes, so the only thing that might have stood out a little bit was the gas mask, and even that might have been ignored.

Oh ya here we go with the everyone is a hardened vet syndrom and could take him out. When you hear shooting you don't panic. You become charles bronson in Death Wish and you can take out the bad guy with your action fast reflexes!!!

Give me a break. You'd be crying on the floor like a little baby, praying that you don't get killed.

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by filosophia
Would he really risk putting a gun and gas mask outside an emergency exit during opening night?

Not sure if you saw the pictures, but his car was parked near the exits... all he had to do was exit, pop the trunk and gear up.. he would surely not have left it sitting on the walk .. the gear was in his car... which is where he was found standing when police apprehended him.

How do you exit an emergency door without tripping the fire alarm, especially in a movie theatre lol. How do you then reenter? You can't. How do you prop it open for an hour with no usher noticing? Complete b.s. is what this story is.

Originally posted by r2d246
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

Thats' pretty rare though. More likely you acidently carry it thinking you got protection, then you acceidently shoot yourself in the foot with it.

do you even know how concealed carry laws work? YOu have to test with the gun you will be carrying, and you have to show proficiency in all aspects of that fire arm before you are issued a license ....

You dont just go in and say "gimme a license" and they hand it over........

wow, I just became a member and Columbine #2 happens the same night. I understand everyone is very critical right now about the loss of life and I feel sympathy, but people die every day every minute, these deaths were used to make a statement, by whom is up for debate, why, is too up for debate. That is why this site is here, to look past the human element and to discuss, whats coming next. If it was a lone gunman wich never is the case then he will be tried and due process will be used and we will all be watching and cheering the killers demise while the game of 3 card monte gets played to carry out what policies can be changed by politicians due to the incident. I guess the hoodie thing in Miami didn't work good enough, just like the 93 wtc bombing wasn't enough to change policies, "not enough loss of life". We already know of info wars fear mongering but maybe, just maybe they are ran by the corp as a coconut in the game to shed tidbits of truth, but so much bs that you would have a better chance finding out who's been leaving the 2001 Kubrick Tiles in asphalt. My point is why is this loss of life so tragic that it makes people feel that anything said that isn't a heartfelt story to the families is garbage? I have heard that denver is a hotspot for training troops to use stadiums for civilians, like taking all the children from schools and having parents turn in their weapons to get them back.
If not anything else, if you come to this site this event should not scare ,surprise or even alarm you. You should look at the tragedy with open eyes in all directions, don't get hung up with your platonic emotions and stop your mind from processing it then and there, that would be an insult to the victims.
We have seen so much death and destruction, how does this even scratch your surface? I wish I wasn't so calloused but I am.
I believe that in a game to win you have to play by the house rules, at least in blackjack, and when dealing with chance and odds, play by the house rules. We as a society must come together and hurt the gov, but not with guns because killing for peace is like fu**ing for virginity, counterproductive. We need to make a stand by not caring who they sacrifice for their agenda, and stay together and keep our focus by voicing our opinions and sticking to our guns, a strike, stop working for the master and the master will have to change.
"I am a human being and my life has a meaning, you gotta get MAD, Stand up and say Im Mad As Hell And Im Not Going To Take It Anymore"(The Network)

reply to post by haven123


We got an infiltrator!!

reply to post by r2d246


Here's a link to part of the mural, it's incomplete though. You can google it and see more. The Denver Airport murals have creeped me out for awhile now, the entire airport is creepy for that matter.