Mass shooting in Aurora, CO (At Batman Film Premiere)

reply to post by bluemirage5


They did show one short interview with a man still in the hospital...I don't even know what channel it was. ??

As far as the victims, my friend of 30 years lost her friend in the attack so I am taking her word on that one...the kids in the theater...alot of parents are not ....how should I put...full of IQ points these days.

I try to fight my jaded side...but it is getting harder and harder these days. It just seems "they" made alot of mistakes on this one or we are all in super overdrive looking for stuff.

reply to post by timetothink


Mate.....we just call them Bogans and many Australians who are Bogan are proud of it (as funny as they are, especially on a late night train where some of them congregate stoned or drunk on their way home; REAL entertainment they are!).

So this is why they're not taking their testimony seriously? Is that only well educated are taken seriously?

One injured witness speaks for a minute, that's it?

reply to post by bluemirage5


I pretty much am right on board with your line of thinking. And to be clear to anyone reading my comments, I am not taking a particular stance, and I don't actually have a solid opinion one way or the other. I don't think it's possible yet, too much noise in the signal. Condolences to those of you with friends and family who might be involved with this.

But just as timetothink has to take their friend's word at face value, I have to do the same with what I see. At face value, the most widely distributed eye witness videos are clearly scripted and acted. At face value, the entire story is one big loose end. At face value, and with complete objectivity, it looks like a make believe tv show.

I think it's too early for anyone to say things like "real people are dead, and that's a fact we have to face". So far, I haven't seen much of anything resembling a provable fact other than the fact that there is an empty looking person with orange hair in a jail somewhere. And I can't even really prove that, I only saw on it on tv.

This thread reveals some very strange photo manipulation, atypical witness behavior, fake names, the works: cluesforum.info...

We see police tape photoshopped into a picture. There is a mysterious missing 26 year old who looks like a 50 year old man on his wedding day, and his hand is gone. One of the most widely used eye witnesses is an actor using multiple aliases in one day. Everyone is still in clothes that got tear gassed. Every eye witness video is either clearly fake, or in total disagreement with the fakes. There are photos of people grieving with flowers before they even know what happened. People crying and hugging up close to camera, with people smiling in the background.

The whole thing just stinks. I have known a hell of a lot of comic book geeks in my day, and they were never exactly known to be this expressive, looking directly into a camera to share heartwarming nuggets of wisdom. The Chris Ramos interview is just so over the top. I've been through some fairly scary and jarring experiences, but nothing even close to being shot at, and I couldn't imagine doing television interviews, or even sticking around. I'd be in bed counting every blessing I've ever had, after I washed the tear gas off.

I really, really want to know more about this town.

reply to post by bluemirage5


Just trying to get the lingo straight...the bogans are they what we call white trash?

I think the public is taking the witnesses seriously, but since the media has only been strutting out the same 8 or 10 over and over again and what they say seems scripted....somethings smells fishy.

Yes, so far I have only seen 1 guy interviewed in the hospital...but I do have to admit the last 2 days I only turn on the news briefly thru the day because I am on overload with the election...cannot take it anymore.

Did you happen to see the interview with the 2 white trashers who had their 4 year old and 4 month old in the theater and their story includes him proposing to her before the movie then as their "story" goes on she tells how she looks around sees the 4 month old on the steps (they were in the balcony) and Mr Wonderful is gone. He put the baby down, jumped of the balcony and ran out of the theater. I mean the whole thing is just wacko.

My husband's godfather is from Australia, and when he comes to visit I don't know what he is saying most of the time!!

reply to post by heycitizen


I have to agree with you there however I'm not afraid to ask questions, even if it appears insensitive when thats not what I'm trying to do at all.

Jeez, lawyers and prosecutors are 100 times worse during question time in court.

When people ask questions, more often than not, stories start to change then it leaves you with more questions than answers; much the same with this case.

Had Holmes shot himself dead at the scene I guess thats the end game and there is closure to some degree.

reply to post by thePharaoh


Still not getting what will smith has to do with anything. Yes I see the two scenes are of them sitting in chairs beside a table, but what does that mean? People sit in chairs out in their gardens all the time. It has little relevance to me sorry.

reply to post by heycitizen


After reading your post...I did edit out the fact part even though I did have "I think" before it....I just don't know anymore....and I believe the woman (victim) I was refering to was former airforce. I did question that eariler...alot of military/former victims.

reply to post by timetothink


That's ok because I'm what you call a Kiwozzi - ex-Pat of New Zealand. I never had trouble with any Americans understanding me although they laughed alot when I change to the Aussie accent and switch to a British accent which I do quite often among my friends for a laugh.

Yes, "Bogan" is probably what you would call "white trash" however believe it when I tell you quite afew Bogans do very well for themselves. They usually sit between the low soci-economic communities of Housing Commission and have been unemployed all their lives to the working class Bogan. We love our bogans, in all honesty I'd be far more entertained by them than going to a theatre watching a movie. These are real life people, crazy, loud mouthed, funny and a barrel of laughs. The best Bogans are the tradees; they usually end up in nice homes but they never change their persona. Most Australian bogans are harmless people and boy do they love watching reality TV.

We have only seen one injured person interviewed for less than 30 seconds. Australian MSM is heavily edited over here which is why I never watch it.

The part about the woman, her two kids and "belovered", had to laugh over that......much of the same story of Captain Coward and that cruise boat that sunk in Italy. Alot of husbands left their wives high and dry there too, jumped ship without trying to help their own women and children.

Did anyone watch this series when it was on?

All of this is reminding me of this for some reason.

www.imdb.com...
Persons Unknown (2010)
TV Series -

I think they were alluding to a MK Ultra type scenario. They abducted people and set then up in a fake town, set up scenarios etc, people died some survived. Some were working undercover and being tested without knowing it...in the end, those that past were taken away to carry on the work and repeat.

The whole "fakeness" of this reeks of that show.

reply to post by bluemirage5


I wish I could say we enjoy our bogans over here, quite the opposite. Our president loves them though and boy is he trying to make alot more of them...they are awful for the most part...rude, disgusting, lazy.....I'll get flamed now.

reply to post by timetothink


You won't get flamed from me.

Obama is just out for more votes, we all know he does'nt give a crap about them and they don't of him either other than what they can get out of him.......and thats only empty promises.

Remember when Jennifer Seeger gave the full description of the guy, here she didn't see his face, nor others for that matter. So in reality, they have no clue that it was even James Holmes, even if it was. His red hair would of stuck out like a sore thumb. I don't see any witnesses describing any crazy red heads.

reply to post by timetothink


I'm downloading it now, unheard of here in Australia but I'm going to watch the first 2 episodes see if I like it.

reply to post by Manhater


thats because the shooter wore a gas mask!

reply to post by bluemirage5


It didn't run very long, but i thought it was great.

Now this a real emotion from a witness to the event. I haven't heard any of their star witnesses have reactions like this woman. Unless those witnesses are stone cold.

Its fairly obvious a lot isn't matching up here and it all relates to the gathering of evidence. This evidence is to ensure Holmes is convicted.

Another angle that seems more plausible to me is there might be some evidence or information that's best kept under wraps. They can't afford to mess this up and have the defense using any dodgy evidence to cast doubt in a jurors mind, where Holmes gets acquitted and walks free. If he's acquitted the prosecution can't ask for a retrial, as far as I know in most states. Or if he is convicted the defense can appeal. The defense always has the upper hand.

If star witness in twilight t shirt is there giving her testimony, the defense can call ones we discussed here who refute her statements and cast doubt . The prosecution has to Prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The burdon of proof is on the prosecution.

I think his booby trap evidence might be important for adding felony charges.

Right now they want him looking how he did in court today so they can pull the insanity angle.

Anyways I'm not a lawyer and don't really know, just speculating.

I don't know if anybody has asked this yet, but this was one of my first thoughts...

Who the hell brings a six year old to to cinema at midnight? God damn... when I was six I was in bed by 7pm. I bet those parents wish they had done things a little differently now.

reply to post by Xaphan


I mentioned that earlier........unbelieveable! At least one child's life would had been saved. But seriously, look at the movie goers as much as I feel for them after what they went through!

reply to post by violet


The booby traps in his aprtment is not enough evidence either. Someone else could had done that so they better find finger prints or that felony charge is dropped.