Mass shooting in Aurora, CO (At Batman Film Premiere)

reply to post by getreadyalready


Yeah I remember that. I read he has a bi-polar disorder. Maybe that's why the show let him go. Some are saying he died but there's nothing saying he did. Last known is 2009 about his disorder. He's very smart too.

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"However, on Friday afternoon, three more patients arrived at the hospital. There is no word on their condition or why they came to the hospital hours later..."

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[About 12 hours later] Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates just said 71 people were shot in the attack. That raises the number of injuries to 59, dramatically more than the 38 that were being reported.

If you were wounded in the attack, why would you wait 12 hours before going to the hospital? It was right about this time that the Police Chief dramatically raised the number of people who were shot. Did the 20 extra casualties just drift in on their own? Why do I get the feeling that all these more lightly-wounded were kept in a secure location until they agreed not to talk to the media or tell tall tales about another gunman? The cops did a good job of quickly roping in most of the witnesses, apparently, so why would they miss all these slower walking wounded?

Remember also the early death tool was 14, before it was lowered to 12.

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"Witness is saying that one of the deceased is an assailant. "
"They did say one was shot and killed in the theater and that the other suspect was in custody. So witnesses did say they're were two shooters."

Are they covering for a second, dead suspect? Maybe the one who left that bloody trail out the back of the theatre? If so, then the question becomes, who shot him?

Originally posted by jd0Fengland
one thing i dont get is that everyone is saying he was trying to be like the joker, Then why was his hair not green? there is only one scene when the jokers hair is red/ginger . If he was trying to be like any batman character i would say the ridler cause his hair was the same colour

People aren't saying that based on his appearance, they are saying it because news reports had indicated he (Holmes) said that himself to police. If the public were going to assess which character he was trying to be you could say Riddler or Mad Hatter... but it was James Holmes who allegedly called himself the Joker.

reply to post by happyhomemaker29


Let me ask you a few questions.

What is Normal?

How do you know he thinks he's in a Batman movie and is playing make believe?

What makes you qualified to make the assumption that he has any kind of Mental Illness?

Do you actually know any Schizophrenics?

Have you ever met anyone in the throws of Psychosis?

I'll let you in on a little secret...

People with psychotic like disorders rarely go on rampages and kill countless people.... Compared to what you call "Normal" people.
The amount of people with psychotic illnesses mainly tend to do more harm to themselves then others.
But as soon as someone with a psychotic illness does commit a random act of violence, and murders. It's made out that everybody with psychotic illnesses are all crazed and violent by the media.

Note that i said "A random act of violence".

This wasn't a random act of violence, this was meticulously planned over a period of months. For whatever reason.
Someone in the throws of psychosis who is completely out of touch with reality would not be able to plan everything as well as Holmes had done.

Also, if this guy was in the throws of psychosis or heading that way, it would be a lot more apparent to neighbours, collegues, friends etc. Other than what has already been stated that he was shy, reserved, kept himself to himself and a little bit weird or strange.

The descriptions that have been given and seeing him in that video could actually point to him having high functioning Autism for all you and everybody else knows.

Or he could actually be a Sociopath/Psychopath.

Or the pressure of his life and work could have got too much for him and decided that the world was to blame for this and tried to go out with a bang.

Who knows?

I've seen and heard a lot of people jump to the conclusion that he is Schizophrenic, including so called experts on news programmes, without observing him for any length of time and giving him an official psychiatric evaluation. This kind of crap puts mental health stigma back years.

You know that Psychiatrists actually tried to diagnose Anders Brevik with Schizophrenia before and during his trial. That couldn't be further from the truth.

What's his motive?

Some have said, because he was in debt due to college, yet he has $20,000+ in tactical gear, guns and ammunition.

Some say he snapped due to academic pressure, yet someone who snaps doesn't plan an elaborate plot such as this.

Some say it was for the noriety, yet he surrenders peacefully and tips off the police to his apartment bombs.

Some say he is a psychopath, but he's been described as shy and the profile created of him so far doesn't resemble a psychopath.

The contradictions above are what lead me to believe something else than the official story being constructed now.


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"AURORA, Colo. (AP) — The semiautomatic assault rifle used by the gunman in a mass shooting at a midnight showing of the latest Batman movie jammed during the attack, a federal law enforcement official told The Associated Press, which forced the shooter to switch to another gun with less fire power."

That being said, would this man really plan an attack without proper research? Your telling me that be planned to use an un-reliable weapon to inflict mass casualties? Or perhaps that rifle may have been shot before, it's quality reduced, or that the weapon wasn't properly mainained? It could have been dirty? Sorry but I don't think a smart man accused of planning an attack with "("calculation and deliberation," police said Saturday.)" would let these kind of variables have any effect on his attack. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it seem strange they can tell you the weapon jammed, but I didn't see any indication of the type of rifle he used.
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"During the attack early Friday, Holmes used the military-style semiautomatic rifle, a shotgun and a pistol to open fire on the unsuspecting theater-goers, Oates. Holmes had bought the weapons at local gun stores within the past two months. He recently purchased 6,000 rounds of ammunition over the Internet, the chief said.

Holmes also bought an urban assault vest, two magazine holders and a knife for just over $300 on July 2 from an online supplier of tactical gear for police and military personnel, according to the company."

He was armed to the teeth, with an arsenal that included a knife. The knife is a very personal, last line of defense. Obviously his last resort in case he ran out of any other means to inflict casualties before being taken out. It could also be said that he had a knife because he may have valued his life, which would not make sense, if this held value to him, would he really have done this? Why would he need a knife if he planned to just allow himself to be captured. He killed innocent people, then allowed himself to be captured? Indicating perhaps a change in persepective. The 1st change I would think is he "Gave Up" but knowing that he had innocent blood on his hands, and he was finished, his actions un reversable, why didn't he just take the easy way (suicide) out? Doesn't make sense...this man is supposed to be very smart. I believe that his arsenal only serves the purpose of "Show of Force". Showing you how easy it is to become so dangerous. Surely a means to reduce our capability to acquire any means of self defence.
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"About 8 p.m. Saturday, police left the apartment building carrying a laptop computer and a hard drive"
Why would a man who wanted to turn himself in need to booby trap his house? If a smart man like this decided to booby trap his house, what makes you think that the authorities could just walk in, and defuse everything, and recover his laptop, and hard drive. I believe they wanted to show you that he planned on destroying everything that coud be used to explain this situation, but instead they recovered his laptop and hard drive that will surely contain evidence that will be made up, distorted, twisted, and delivered unto you. And you won't suspect a thing, because the house was boobytrapped, and that he didnt want anyone to recover this "evidence".

reply to post by Atrares


The assault rifle jam is VERY COMMON. He was shooting in close quarters, maybe an ejecting shell bounced back in, or his sleeve got in the way. Maybe he bought cheap ammo. Maybe he bought a 30 or 40 round clip somewhere cheap and it didn't fit into the gun perfectly. (I've done that one myself, and it caused a lot of jams.)

An amateur with an assault rifle he bought only a couple of weeks ago, overly dressed, in a dark theatre, with people running around everywhere, I'm not surprised at all that it jammed; I'd be surprised if it didn't.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Only a serious weapon malfunction requires you to abandon a rifle of this class. One usually may just rack the bolt back, ejecting the misfire, and continue.

Double feeds, are usually the condition needed to abandon a rifle of this class. A malfunction that is far less common.

BY STATING that it is a well known fact, "The rifle Jam" is what leads me to disbelief, your telling me this man didnt do his homework before purchasing? that is what is being debated here, not the commonness of the jam itself

Originally posted by Atrares
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

Only a serious weapon malfunction requires you to abandon a rifle of this class. One usually may just rack the bolt back, ejecting the misfire, and continue.

Double feeds, are usually the condition needed to abandon a rifle of this class. A malfunction that is far less common.

Yes, but he'd only owned it two weeks, and the way he was dressed would have limited his mobility and perception. Wearing a gas mask is not a convenient thing to do.

Of course I'm making some assumptions, but I've bought 30 round clips for my AK that kind of worked, and I didn't realize how bad they were until I got them at the range for awhile. I've also bought cheap ammo for my .380 that didn't rack it back and caused about every 3rd round to jam. It could have been either one of those things, and he was very likely not experienced enough, or aware enough of his surroundings to be able to clear the jam quickly.

ETA:
Also, brand new guns often jam until they get a good break-in period. He might have done his research, and bought a great gun, but if he didn't go cycle it through a few hundred rounds, then it wouldn't have operated as smoothly as he might have liked.

I remember early on it was reported that the gun overheated which lead to the malfunction. And why not abandon it at that point? If it was not working, not able to perform its function at the critical moment, why would you hold on to it?

Originally posted by getreadyalready
ETA:
Also, brand new guns often jam until they get a good break-in period. He might have done his research, and bought a great gun, but if he didn't go cycle it through a few hundred rounds, then it wouldn't have operated as smoothly as he might have liked.

edit on 22-7-2012 by getreadyalready because: (no reason given)

Again, if he was as calculating in his planning as they stated, he would have known this. This type of information is easily research able on the Internet as well as understanding the issues with a specific type of ammunition.

As I said earlier, Sorry but I don't think a smart man accused of planning an attack with "("calculation and deliberation," police said Saturday.)" would let these kind of variables have any effect on his attack.

Originally posted by jd0Fengland
reply to post by roadgravel

 

I dont think he stopped out of remorse especially if that is indeed his adult friend finder account cause there was a message saying "will you visit me in prison?" so if that is his account i think he wanted to be arrested so just gave up and let him self be arrested after the deed was done

i definitely think he wanted to survive the incident. i think he intended to give up all along. i think he realized his bomb rigged apartment didn't blow up to distract the cops so he'd have more time to shoot. i think his gun jammed and that threw him off and he realized he wasn't going to do as much damage as he planned.

Another thing bothering me....if he has the skills to elaborately booby trap his apartment with bombs, then he has the skills to make make shift grenades. If his ultimate goal was a high kill count, why not make improvised devices and inflict massive casualties in that fashion?

Originally posted by skitzspiricy
reply to post by happyhomemaker29

 

Let me ask you a few questions.

What is Normal?

How do you know he thinks he's in a Batman movie and is playing make believe?

What makes you qualified to make the assumption that he has any kind of Mental Illness?

Do you actually know any Schizophrenics?

Have you ever met anyone in the throws of Psychosis?

I'll let you in on a little secret...

People with psychotic like disorders rarely go on rampages and kill countless people.... Compared to what you call "Normal" people.
The amount of people with psychotic illnesses mainly tend to do more harm to themselves then others.
But as soon as someone with a psychotic illness does commit a random act of violence, and murders. It's made out that everybody with psychotic illnesses are all crazed and violent by the media.

Note that i said "A random act of violence".

This wasn't a random act of violence, this was meticulously planned over a period of months. For whatever reason.
Someone in the throws of psychosis who is completely out of touch with reality would not be able to plan everything as well as Holmes had done.

Also, if this guy was on the throws of psychosis or heading that way, it would be a lot more apparent to neighbours, collegues, friends etc. Other than what has already been stated that he was shy, reserved, kept himself to himself and a little bit weird or strange.

The descriptions that have been given and seeing him in that video could actually point to him having high functioning Autism for all you and everybody else knows.

Or he could actually be a Sociopath/Psychopath.

Or things could have got on top of him and decided that the world was to blame for all his shortcomings and tried to go out with a bang.

I've seen and heard a lot of people jump to the conclusion that he is Schizophrenic, including so called experts on news programmes, without observing him for any length of time and giving him an official psychiatric evaluation. This kind of crap puts mental health stigma back years.

You know that Psychiatrists actually tried to diagnose Anders Brevik with Schizophrenia before and during his trial. That couldn't be further from the truth.

edit on 22-7-2012 by skitzspiricy because: (no reason given)

I do know a schizophrenic (paranoid), and was physically and mentally abused by them, and I know a bipolar. yes. i'm not saying he is. I'm saying I would not be surprised. Am I a leading expert on normal, no. Have I been to a TON of professionals because of my daughter OMG yes, more than I'd like. Every other week for counseling since the age of 7, and every other month for med management for the autism and seizure disorder. As she progressively got older, her tantrums progressively got worse. If you told her that her imaginary friend wasn't real, or threatened her imaginary friend in any way, she would become exceedingly violent. My ex-husband didn't want to believe that she belonged in residential placement. She had to go to a temporary psych home until residential placement was found. He thought she was violent because I spoiled her. He didn't want to believe it was because of her missing part of her brain and being autistic. Now that doctors have told him, he believes.

Is it rare for psychosis? Yes, but does it happen? Yes, it can. Just because it's rare, doesn't mean it doesn't occur, it just means it doesn't occur very often. He could very well be a sociopath or what-have-you. I didn't say it wasn't possible. I keep my eyes open and my mind open.

Just because I made a possible observation of my own, not on the news, doesn't put mental health back for years to come. Trust me when I say that there have been VERY little strides in mental health to begin with. I know, I've been fighting them for the last 16 years because Autism is considered under mental health and trying to get my daughter help is absolute insanity, especially in NC. I couldn't find her residential down here. No one wanted girls, only boys. No one wanted anyone with an IQ under 70 (her IQ is 50), no one wanted health problems. Ugh! So much now my health is now suffering. So as a parent of a special needs, and a family member of two mental health individuals, I know how the system can be. I'd say it, but swearing isn't allowed here. Don't tell me about all the great strides this country has made for individuals with mental health. Because in reality, it's made very little. I've been told by family members that I should have locked my daughter away at birth. I've been told I could cure her autism with olive oil. I've been told that I should never take her out in public (because she reached under the table for a crayon she dropped. Yes, we're still in the dark ages with mental "illness", and autism falls under that scale.

Originally posted by pasiphae

Originally posted by jd0Fengland
reply to post by roadgravel

 

I dont think he stopped out of remorse especially if that is indeed his adult friend finder account cause there was a message saying "will you visit me in prison?" so if that is his account i think he wanted to be arrested so just gave up and let him self be arrested after the deed was done

i definitely think he wanted to survive the incident. i think he intended to give up all along. i think he realized his bomb rigged apartment didn't blow up to distract the cops so he'd have more time to shoot. i think his gun jammed and that threw him off and he realized he wasn't going to do as much damage as he planned.

I'm not sure it's been confirmed whether it jammed or ran out of rounds. A witness had speculated it may have jammed, but at the same time, there have been statements that he may have been returning to his car for more ammunition. If the dude in Theater 8 is accurate in his account, then after Holmes left the building he tried to come back in. We haven't been given any information on how many rounds he actually shot, or even if he may have changed guns during the attack.

But to say that because he can rig his apartment with IEDs means he also is some type of experienced gun user and knows all the tricks to everything that can go wrong doesn't really make sense to me. I know PhD's that are scary smart and have so little mechanical intuition I wonder who ties their shoes for them every morning and how they ever make it through gassing their car up.

reply to post by Finalized


Im not sure which was the true gun guy. His father with the same name or the shooter. But which ever one it was did know about guns. There was one post about high grain bullets in a snub nose is a waste of time. It will only cause the gun to kick more and throw your shot off.

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His screen names were LDMaster and ClassicJimbo. The LDMaster might be his father James Holmes 52.

reply to post by bluemirage5


A lot of Anglo Evangelical Christians are attracted to the Jewish Community so please lets not assume he's Jewish.

FEATURES ?

He looks like an average Anglo Saxon to me. But you don't see me commending all White people.

reply to post by Valhall


Rigging his apartment with IEDs shows the level of intelligence, forethought and planning that he did. Then, to flip around and say he didn't thoroughly research his main killing device for all known weaknesses is disingenuous.

reply to post by JBA2848


If that's him, it's clear he wasn't a leftist.

Just sayin