Obama's Kenyan birth records discovered in British National Archives

Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Given that Obama's birth certificate shows conclusively that he was born in the USA as proven in court already, any adoption is a moot point - he is a natural born citizen.

Period.

Please shut the door on your way out.

True.

But don't forget, the closed adoption laws as well as the birth certificate laws in Hawaii in 1961 allowed for amended birth certificates that don't indicate an amendment.

And in this case, there was no 'original', only an 'issued' BC after the adoption.

The closed adoption records are sealed, not the issued birth certificate.

We've been through this already.

Don't worry too much, the chances of any unsealing is remote at best.

You can stop sweating...... until somebody gets the 'Leaked' records that is.
THAT is being 'worked on' !!!!!

reply to post by xuenchen


but there is no question about place of birth - he was born in Hawaii - hence is now, always was, and always will be, a natural born citizen.

Had he been born somewhere else then the Hawaiian birth certificate would state that, regardless of adoption.

sorry to bring reality into it......

Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by xuenchen

 

but there is no question about place of birth - he was born in Hawaii - hence is now, always was, and always will be, a natural born citizen.

Had he been born somewhere else then the Hawaiian birth certificate would state that, regardless of adoption.

sorry to bring reality into it......

edit on 25-9-2013 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)

Oh.

Please show us the Hawaiian law in effect in 1961 that says that explicitly.
[ reliable sources only please, we need clarity ]

Read all my posts.

reply to post by xuenchen

THAT is being 'worked on' !!!!!

Will they do a better job faking these documents this time? You have to admit the ones the birthers have been putting out are just too easy to spot.

xuenchen
reply to post by xuenchen

All adoption records are sealed (usually automatic)

buster2010
You mean just like birth and school records?

I'm not fully understanding your question.

So I will ask two different questions;


Are birth and/or school records automatically sealed by a court order ?

and,

Does it take a court order to 'unseal' birth and/or school records ?

edit on Sep-25-2013 by xuenchen because:

In case you didn't know this birth certificates and school records are a matter of private records not public.

buster2010

xuenchen
reply to post by xuenchen

All adoption records are sealed (usually automatic)

buster2010
You mean just like birth and school records?

I'm not fully understanding your question.

So I will ask two different questions;


Are birth and/or school records automatically sealed by a court order ?

and,

Does it take a court order to 'unseal' birth and/or school records ?

edit on Sep-25-2013 by xuenchen because:

In case you didn't know this birth certificates and school records are a matter of private records not public.

Yes.

But are they *court ordered* as you suggested ?

xuenchen

buster2010

xuenchen
reply to post by xuenchen

All adoption records are sealed (usually automatic)

buster2010
You mean just like birth and school records?

I'm not fully understanding your question.

So I will ask two different questions;


Are birth and/or school records automatically sealed by a court order ?

and,

Does it take a court order to 'unseal' birth and/or school records ?

edit on Sep-25-2013 by xuenchen because:

In case you didn't know this birth certificates and school records are a matter of private records not public.

Yes.

But are they *court ordered* as you suggested ?

Adoption records are not sealed by court order they are automatically sealed by law. Just like birth and school records. No court needed.

buster2010

xuenchen

buster2010

xuenchen
reply to post by xuenchen

All adoption records are sealed (usually automatic)

buster2010
You mean just like birth and school records?

I'm not fully understanding your question.

So I will ask two different questions;


Are birth and/or school records automatically sealed by a court order ?

and,

Does it take a court order to 'unseal' birth and/or school records ?

edit on Sep-25-2013 by xuenchen because:

In case you didn't know this birth certificates and school records are a matter of private records not public.

Yes.

But are they *court ordered* as you suggested ?

Adoption records are not sealed by court order they are automatically sealed by law. Just like birth and school records. No court needed.

Please.

Show us those statutes.

reply to post by xuenchen


In almost every state when adoptions are finalized the records are sealed.

Statutes

State statutes:

www.childwelfare.gov...

xuenchen

Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by xuenchen

 

but there is no question about place of birth - he was born in Hawaii - hence is now, always was, and always will be, a natural born citizen.

Had he been born somewhere else then the Hawaiian birth certificate would state that, regardless of adoption.

sorry to bring reality into it......

edit on 25-9-2013 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)

Oh.

Please show us the Hawaiian law in effect in 1961 that says that explicitly.
[ reliable sources only please, we need clarity ]

How about the actual statute as it appeared in 1961?

You will also note that it covers the BC requirements for adoption which also require the place of birth be given.

Read all my posts.

since you insist upon "reliable sources" I have used only those - you should try it some time.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


This was applicable in 1961 ?



Other references were established in changes made after 1961.

buster2010
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

Never has there been a president with Islamic associations like Obama. Bet I can come up with one. His name was Thomas Jefferson ever hear of him?

Jefferson owned a Quran to study some of their issues, but he was brilliant and had the founding father issues for the US.

Islam was made to be about Peace in its original theme and to keep the Arab world from tearing itself to bits in tribal wars.

There are various sects for Islam, and most just call Jesus as a wise man or profit, which puts him in similar place as Muhammad.

Islam comes in various types, just as human DNA does. Each faction is a uniqueness, some more peace and some more militant.

The variations of Islam


What has emerged as often the most dangerous, and the most prosperous is the Wahhabi sect of Islam. They build Mosques, Schools, and are about purity and too often insist that all the world has to be Islam, else die. They tend to follow a later period Muhammad.

Iran is more about Imams and they carry power and individuality of religious interpretation.

The Sunni sect appears often to be closest to the Peace making of Islam and Muhammad.


Just like in human DNA, there are wide variations in Islam. Some extremely dark of intention, some extremely offensive and defensive, and others light and peace making.

Islam came from a region torn by the East African Rift zone's toxic effects on the Arabic world, and in many ways was similar in foundation (both finding their inspirations in a high Rift upthrust Mtn cave) to Moses Mtn. near Midian, in Saudi Arabia. Islam recognizes Allah or God, and others like Moses, Muhammad, Jesus and so on as Prophets.

Though all these Middle East religion factions (Judaism, Jesus, Islam) trace their origin of beliefs back to Abraham, each favors a slightly different Prophet and this causes problems and often wars. But, if they ever checked back they would find that Abraham finds his origins in the Fertile Crescent and the Gods of Anu associated with the City of Ur down in Iraq. Just like in tracing DNA, as in the origins of Abraham, likewise do these religions depend on the descendant of Abraham. And religions and DNA have mutual dependence on this one origin of God theme.

Obama, who also has many Islamic roots is making a mass genocide project in Syria by funding the Al Qaeda types (Wahhabi theme militants that are tied to 911) Vs. those Islam folks that respect Christians in Syria tied to Assad.

Such genocidal makings of Wars designed by Obama make Obama more akin to the Wahhabi, and Zionist associated war making. imho Obama isn't following Christian nor Muhammad design for Peace. imho

Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

don't you wish you knew something...anything at all....on this topic that was vaguely correct?

Islam is a religion - it is not part of your genetic makeup - either you follow some version of islam or not - you do not get to be "half Islamic".

Unfortunately, you appear not to be well schooled in religion. Muslums are followers of Islam, so I just stick to Islam as the main term for the religion, and this religion has variations and some extremes.

Islam came from Muhammad, and he was a descendant of Abraham and thus genetics and DNA play a huge role in Islam. it also plays a role in Judaism, as this stems from Abraham also. And even Jesus was of that some DNA line. If they would really stick to the theme of Abraham and his ties to the City of Ur and the Gods of Anu, there likely would be less wars. But they depart depending on the Iman's and such views and the more violent sects.


There was another later period Muhammad that came along in Arabia that corrupted the want of Peace by Mohammad from Mecca, and this group is tied to 911 and Al Qaeda militants. I'd say these militant forms don't follow the peace theme and only half follow Islam's Peace.

There are converts to Islam that half follow various parts here in the US, aka the Louis Farrakhan folks. imho

So my observation is you don't present the issues correctly and have poor understanding of many religions, as DNA matters in religions.

Then we have the Kenyan and Islamic president that looks like the militant Islamic:

Obama doesn't care

Who will liberate Americans from Washington’s tyranny, overthrow the executive branch dictatorship, and bring freedom and democracy to America?

Just odd

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Sorry, links to deranged conspiracy lunatics are not proof.

If you are grown in a petri dish, are you still an American citizen? Some UN lab is a more likely possibility though. I hate Trump, but he is correct, Obama isn't an American.

MagnumOpus

Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

don't you wish you knew something...anything at all....on this topic that was vaguely correct?

Islam is a religion - it is not part of your genetic makeup - either you follow some version of islam or not - you do not get to be "half Islamic".

Unfortunately, you appear not to be well schooled in religion. Muslums are followers of Islam, so I just stick to Islam as the main term for the religion, and this religion has variations and some extremes.

Islam came from Muhammad, and he was a descendant of Abraham and thus genetics and DNA play a huge role in Islam. it also plays a role in Judaism, as this stems from Abraham also. And even Jesus was of that some DNA line. If they would really stick to the theme of Abraham and his ties to the City of Ur and the Gods of Anu, there likely would be less wars. But they depart depending on the Iman's and such views and the more violent sects.

Are you so ignorant that you are claiming that you have to have some particular ancestors to be a moslem?

Aloysius the Gaul
Are you so ignorant that you are claiming that you have to have some particular ancestors to be a moslem?

That is certainly what he is claiming.... birthers have no clue at all.

The interesting explorations of Obama Birth and who influenced him outside the US and inside. Many still looking at those multiple Birth Certificates, looking at that Foreign Student deal, and looking at his work records.

Who is Obama's Daddy and GrandDaddy and godfather and all in the Family?

Looking for Parentage


Just a ton of unanswered questions


Wayne Madson takes a look at Obama's mentors

MagnumOpus
looking at that Foreign Student deal,

You still do not realise that was a April fool's joke - which birthers fell for, and some are still falling for years later!
Your hatred for Obama knows no bounds, so you accept all the lies told about him.