Obama's Kenyan birth records discovered in British National Archives

Isn't one of the principle questions about Obama / Barry the serious issue that he was a citizen of an Islamic and Communist state called Indonesia.

Isn't another the issue of Obama's character, if he applied for aid as an Indonesian to get free money, when he was actually a US Citizen? Isn't that an important Slim and Shady type issue about cheating the system?

Was the American Public well informed of these issues and if they were would Obama be in the White House? Or is this yet another case of slim and shady politics at work.

Just because Obama moved to Chicago and tried to become plain Vanilla did not erase certain factors about him not being a garden variety Black American with a totally American Parental background and American only homeland living experience.

MagnumOpus
Isn't one of the principle questions about Obama / Barry the serious issue that he was a citizen of an Islamic and Communist state called Indonesia.

No, those claims are just stupid birther claims, not based on any facts at all.

Isn't another the issue of Obama's character, if he applied for aid as an Indonesian to get free money, when he was actually a US Citizen?

No, that claim was just a April fool's joke that you apparently refuse to do any research on, as that would destroy your silly conspiracy theory!

Was the American Public well informed of these issues

Why should they be? They are only silly made up birther lies.

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You're not even bothering with cites any more, so you're obviously running out of runway.

We have a US President, with a strong Islamic past, that appears to have a mass Genocide Policy for Syria, as he appears to have gotten away with a lot of slim and shady deals per Islamic based Indonesia claims. What stops him now?

It appears the kid Barry, deserted by his mother in Indonesia, has poor moral character as it appears he has decided to aid the enemy of the US in Syria, an Islamic based Country. Here Obama fuels mass genocidal killings by funding Islamic Rebels in Syria to kill off the other Islamic faction in a continual blood bath.

Islamic Barry can't seem to know what happens when Al Qaeda ends up running Syria, perhaps in the same way that he did not consider what would happen when America starts looking at his early slim shady methods. Plus, it appeared Barry was going to do the Dictator thing and push into Syria on unilateral method and commit more war crimes. It appears we don't have a person based in ethic and moral compass, plus it didn't just begin now.


Putin's logical questions to the slim shady Barry

According to a recent study by London-based defense consultancy IHS Jane’s, one-tenth of the 100,000 rebels battling the Syrian government are part of factions linked to al-Qaida. Radical Islamist factions are pushing for domination over secular rebel groups, the report said.

Definition Genocide, as it applies to Syria

1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

It appears those in support of not taking note of Barry's Islamic past appear to be in support of Barry's Islamic Genocide policy.. imho

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Aha. So you're saying that Obama's a sooper seekrit Muslim then. Well that makes sense of your previous posts. (Shakes head and walks away whistling)

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So in other words what you're saying is that you admit Obama is a natural born citizen as it has been defined by the law unless some fanciful tale with no basis in reality is true?

reply to post by MagnumOpus

Isn't one of the principle questions about Obama / Barry the serious issue that he was a citizen of an Islamic and Communist state called Indonesia.

It's amazing how far removed from reality you are. You continue to push this fantastic narrative even after being shown that you are wrong. To say that Indonesia is a Communist state is laughable. The PIK was never in charge of the country. In fact when Obama was in Indonesia they were violently opposed to Communism in a literal sense. In 1965 the military slaughtered many members of the PIK after a failed coup and the remaining members of the party disbanded shortly thereafter. It should also be pointed out that while Indonesia is predominantly Muslim Obama attended a Catholic school most of the time he was there. Although I don't really see what Indonesia's Muslim population has to do with anything.

So, if Barry is so ready to commit genocide in Syria, what will he do to America

Barry's Big Plan from being Indonesian Citizen

reply to post by Xcalibur254

4.) Even if all of this took place he could have still had his natural born citizenship reinstated at any time prior to turning 18 years and 6 months old. Of course no one has provided the paperwork that says Obama renounced his citizenship at age 10.

Just to add a bit on that? The FOIA document dumps of 2010 out of all the relevant agencies with the original files and papers not only fail to mention any citizenship being renounced, but he's definitely referred to as the minor child and US citizen by US Immigration at the time. His real father was just trying to get back to the US to finish his last Harvard requirements, as it all reads...while, of course, his Stepfather in Indonesia was trying to immigrate here. I never saw any hint of little Obama being anything but a U.S. citizen as all parties back then recognized him. Official and personal.

For what it's worth as well, and to support your point a bit more? The paper trail for anyone to see on the Indonesian side, also fully looked into across 2010, fails to support anything relating to renouncing citizenship. He was at a State run school for half his time ..which did not, according to interviews by media of the school people themselves, require Indonesian citizenship...and the other half of his time was at a Catholic private school. He got both Islam and Catholicism about equally while in Jakarta, as a US ex-pat (in residence terms, anyway).

The files also make no mention of little Obama's return being remarkable in any way. He was a US child returning from extended living overseas. Nothing terribly special, when it's all taken apart and looked at for what it actually was. Not what I want in a President, either......but that's personal, not legal. lol

MagnumOpus
So, if Barry is so ready to commit genocide in Syria, what will he do to America

Barry's Big Plan from being Indonesian Citizen

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Thank you for giving me a good laugh. You have nothing else do you?

Three stars to your zero and counting. Barry is a lame duck now---Putin owns him due to huge lies for wars.

Even Congress has Barry's Bama care down for the count. All that was about is ignoring what Govt policy did to health in America, which allowed poison water for 60 years that takes it toll on serotonin / thyroid / enzyme health and is key to these big Naval Yard shoot outs and makes SSRI drug companies richer.

Not many trust Barry now, and Putin even calls him a fly to swish away. Barry doesn't believe in openness of his records that everyone wants to see, but he must have more to hide. But it is hard to notice his character loves killing people around the world, and tossing money to Al Qaeda's terrorists. No real plans for Syria, except for Genocide.

Xcalibur254
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So in other words what you're saying is that you admit Obama is a natural born citizen as it has been defined by the law unless some fanciful tale with no basis in reality is true?

Good question. [ whatever it is ]

What would be the 'citizen' status of a foreign born child adopted by Americans ?

It depends on the private adoption arrangements as they may have been in the 1960's.

News laws have cleared up the issue, but what were the laws back then ?

Wouldn't it be possible that the child would be a 'Naturalized' citizen ?

Perhaps that is the issue that Obama may be concealing.

Does an adopted child receive 'sealed' citizenship ?

We know birth certificates get sealed and new 'official' ones are issued.

Immigration records may get 'sealed' as well to protect the identities of parties involved.

And again, we know that the Dunham family was well connected politically as well as BHO Sr. and Soetoro.

So either scenario could fit the glove.

Obama could be an adopted child. Hmmm.


Acquiring U.S. Citizenship for your Child


Certificate Of Citizenship for Your Internationally Adopted Child


Foreign-Born Adoptees & the Child Citizenship Act


Also may explain the Social Security Number questions surrounding Obama.
How To Prove Citizenship For An Adopted Child

reply to post by xuenchen


I'd ask for proof, but I know that you're just stirring the pot again. Naughty!

xuenchen
Seriously.

If the case is frivolous by design, it makes no difference who a judge is.

So you admit they were frivolous but it is part of some grand scheme is it?

And besides, everybody has a price.

Please start listing all the bribed judges, who bribed them, and how much it cost.

btw, your mirror image looks great !!!

Oh wow, an attempt at a personal attack that fell flat on the floor. What a shock.

If Obama was not born in America, don't you think that the Republican party would have taken care of exposing this right before the second term election? I can see the Republicans probably threw the first election because they knew everything was collapsing, pinning many of the problems that unravel on a Democratic President would be beneficial. The second term election was different, the Republicans wanted to win that one. They would have exposed Obama if he was not a citizen.

Obama is legit. I do not agree with half the things that are happening under this administration but a lot of that is coming from the bickering of the parties. The government is too polarized, each side does not want to give in and negotiate things much. The health care plan could have been a workable plan if both sides worked together on it. Congressmen are not the sharpest people in the world though and the system is severely flawed. We elect congressmen on popularity, not brains. You can't blame them for what happened either, the ones to blame are the ones who put risk taking people in charge of our economy. People who wanted to show growth on their charts, and created a fragile unreal economy. This started before Obama, even Greenspan was questioning whether the economic strategy would work but was bullwinkled himself by how things were going.

This birther stuff should be dead already, it is just hype. It really wouldn't make a difference if his mother was visiting her husband in a different country when she gave birth anyway, she was a citizen and returned to Hawaii if this is true. Obama is a citizen and is considered US born.

What if your mother was on vacation in a foreign country and you were born. So that means you were not an American? No it doesn't. How many people still go back to their homeland from America to give birth. That is a tradition for some people and not many people do it anymore but seventy years ago it did happen. They wanted to be around family when the child was born. They are still Americans though.

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But if Obama was actually a foreign born orphan it would mean he obtained citizenship by adoption.

The adoption laws in 1961 were very sketchy at best.

And all the records get sealed by court order and possibly even expungement.

This could be the secret he is keeping and doing much to keep secret.

It's not easy to obtain sealed and expungement records.

I think this explains the hyper reactions by Hawaiian officials that sweated gallons when they had to open the birth certificate and provide reasons and even false witnesses.

If he was in fact a foreign orphan, then his citizenship would have been 'naturalized' by law.

And the 'official' records could still indicate a 'natural born citizen'.

The legal system can do this.

xuenchen
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But if Obama was actually a foreign born orphan it would mean he obtained citizenship by adoption.

Then what happened to the baby his mom was pregnant with?

The adoption laws in 1961 were very sketchy at best.

Because they confuse you?

And all the records get sealed by court order and possibly even expungement.

This could be the secret he is keeping and doing much to keep secret.

Can you make sense just once. If something is already sealed or expunged, there is nothing you need to do to keep it that way. So what is Obama "doing much" of to coverup things you claim are already hidden?

It's not easy to obtain sealed and expungement records.

Even harder to obtain things that never existed.

I think this explains the hyper reactions by Hawaiian officials that sweated gallons when they had to open the birth certificate and provide reasons and even false witnesses.

What are you talking about? What hyper reactions? Who was sweating? Why are you just making up so much crap?

If he was in fact a foreign orphan, then his citizenship would have been 'naturalized' by law.

And the 'official' records could still indicate a 'natural born citizen'.

The legal system can do this.

Everything you just wrote could apply to every president we have had so it comes down to you to explain why Obama is the target of this twisted logic that easily applies across the board.

Please do not bother responding if you are just going to post more lies. I did not join ATS to be lied to. I have the whole internet for that.

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Chill out. Xuenchen likes to stir things up and then retire into a corner and watch the bloodshed.

AngryCymraeg
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Chill out. Xuenchen likes to stir things up and then retire into a corner and watch the bloodshed.

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So he just purposely posts lies and junk just to watch chaos ensue and ATS has not felt the need to remove that yet? Hmmmm.

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Then what happened to the baby his mom was pregnant with?

Excellent question.

Please supply all verifiable and credible proof that she was actually pregnant.

Especially during the assumed time-frame from Obama's alleged birth in Aug 1961.

[ those alleged hospital records are a little thin on credibility ]

Maybe her baby was stillborn or mis-carried, and she and BHO Sr decided to adopt.

Not uncommon.
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And of course we have an article from the Boston Globe telling of how BHO Sr. might have indicated that he was going to give up his child Obama Jr.

The article is full of 180 degree tactics (very common today by Obama Inc. as we all know) and may be suggesting the opposite of 'giving away for adoption' as meaning wanting to adopt.

Sauce for goose as they say.

A well written story always instills false truths.

long 4 page story.....
Father spoke of having Obama adopted