9/11 Intercepted

Originally posted by plube
reply to post by ThePostExaminer

 

you know what is interesting here...she says mace(she thinks)..then she says...we can't breath...well for not breathing well she apparently handles the call quite well.

also where is the external aircraft noise....I have been on many flights...quietest aircraft i have ever heard.

where is the whine of the engines...especially since this plane is apparently flying full out....Is it just me or does that seem a bit strange.

Oh yeah, I'm just quoting the official story, warts and all. I've major problems with the alleged mobile calls from altitude too but if I go down that road they'll have an excuse to mess the cage up if you know what I mean.

I just want to see how the GLs here defend it. It is their bible after all

reply to post by ThePostExaminer

How about now? The "immediate response"?

Yep. Like I said, only 900 seconds transpire between when a flight attendent contacts her airlines reservation center and there are two pilots suiting up to respond. That's pretty immeadiate. And consider that there is only 1500 seconds between the start of the contact between the flight attendent and the reservation center (not the FAA, not NORAD, not NEADS - the reservation center) and the first impact.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by ThePostExaminer

 

Within how long should somebody have done something?

Betty Ong's call started in 8:19AM. Two pilots were getting suited up and heading to their F-15's by 8:34. Thats 900 seconds between the first affirmative indication of a hijacking to the pilots preparing for take off.

No, that not an immeadiate response.

Hold your horses. There was much more happening between 08:19 and "08:34".

And it's not as straightforward as you're making out now s it?

That's 15 minutes. In a situation where craft are travelling at cruise speed every second is vital.

"Suited up"

reply to post by ThePostExaminer

Hold your horses. There was much more happening between 08:19 and "08:34".

And?

And it's not as straightforward as you're making out now s it?

900 seconds between the start of the call and pilots preparing for takeoff. Thats an immeadiate response.

That's 15 minutes. In a situation where craft are travelling at cruise speed every second is vital.

Yep. So what? Within 900 seconds of a flight attendent calling her reservation center two pilots were responding. Within seconds of the call the airline responded.

"Suited up"

Yes. Thats how it works. You just don't jump in an F-15 with shorts and t-shirt. And we do not have pilots sitting in planes on the tarmac in a constant state of readiness.

reply to post by hooper


Don't worry hooper, we'll get to this so-called "immediate response".

I just want to lay out what happened in between those "900 seconds"

Okay, according to the OCT between 08:19am and 08:21am, just two to three minutes, no communication with cockpit, an alleged phonecall from the aircraft itself mentioning the word "hijacked", unauthorized deviation, transponder turned off, and ATC clearing traffic along its proposed path....

08:22am

According to the 911 Commission Report

After confirming Gonzalez's identity and position, at 8:22 A.M. Marquis acknowledged the emergency and indicated to Gonzalez that he would "get ATC [air traffic control] on here"

08:23am

911 Commission Report

Also at 8:23 A.M., the tape recording of the call between Ong and the reservations center ceased because of the default time limit on the system. However, Gonzalez remained on the line with Ong for the next 21 minutes. Gonzalez continued to report the information she received from the flight attendant to the American Airlines SOC. The call between American's reservations facility and the SOC continued to be taped by the SOC until its conclusion

Pretty rapid response and awareness of the situation, no?

I'm just remembering your "thousands of planes" and insinuation that there was mass confusion hooper...


08:24am

Shortly before 8:25 A.M., air traffic controller Zalewski heard two clicks over the frequency assigned to the flight, and radioed in response, "Is that American eleven tryingto call?" Five seconds later, a voice with a foreign accent addressed the passengers. 

"We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be okay. We're returning to the airport." 

Because the wrong button was pushed, this message was heard not by the passengers but by air traffic control. The controller did not comprehend the first sentence ("planes"); it was understood 30 minutes later after a facility manager was able to locate and replay the tape.

www.archives.gov...

"30 minutes" to "locate" the tape and decipher the word "planes"?? 1800 seconds later?



Can you "comprehend" the word "planes" hooper? 

Seconds later, Boston Center heard the following transmission from the same foreign voice: 

"Nobody move. Everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet." 

[...]

8:25 A.M. After hearing the second transmission from the aircraft, controllers at Boston Center believed that Flight 11 had been hijacked.

According to the OCT, within six minutes/360 seconds of the last comm, Boston ATC was fully aware of the alleged situation on "Flight 11"

reply to post by ThePostExaminer


Well If i were listening in on that...and i knew planes were hijacked...by this point they knew....Then you find out it is...PLANES....That would put you into wide alert mode...so any plane deviation would become highly suspect...
when listening to the tapes the confusion between real world and exercises and the actual chain of command seem to become completely blurred.....also watching and seeing intersecting radar images is very disturbing...why did these planes fly to these certain points before turning and charging directions...almost as if they were aware of what they were doing...they must have had a reason...because i would have thought if it was a simple hijacking they would realize they would be found out fairly quickly...so why deviate at all. Why woiuld they even think they had 20-30minutes of deviated flight time without being at least escorted by fighter jets after first realization of hijacking.

Originally posted by ThePostExaminer


Oh yeah, I'm just quoting the official story, warts and all. I've major problems with the alleged mobile calls from altitude too but if I go down that road they'll have an excuse to mess the cage up if you know what I mean.

I just want to see how the GLs here defend it. It is their bible after all

Really Bob, what about the calls? Are you still a part of DRG Cult of Morphing Technology, or the other bone heads that think they were forced to read from a script?

Yes, I know it's you Bob. No one else here at ATS uses the term "GL's".

For those that don't know. Boob Balsamo is the only one allowed to post the letters "JREF" in his PFFFT forum. If you attempt to do it, the words "Government Loyalist Site" appears.

reply to post by plube

when listening to the tapes the confusion between real world and exercises and the actual chain of command seem to become completely blurred

That's why I have a major problem with the shoulder shruggers here whenever it's brought up that the "wargames" that left the skies defenceless was timed to coincide with the alleged hijackings. And that "protocol" was thrown in the crapper.

Six minutes man! Within six minutes there was full awareness of an alleged hijack. Nobody thought of contacting the military? Six minutes of multiple confirmations and the "chain of command" stalled any active response.

What followed according to the 911 Commission was like the script of a Hollywood action movie without the action. Lots of alleged calls diluting the earlier obvious conclusions.

And yeah, the alleged scenario of "confusion" over the whereabouts of recording from an isolated source and the word "planes". Bull#.

Yo, six sigma. Please stay on topic and defend your official story. Stop trying to change the subject.

Why are you so obsessed man?

Maybe you can give hooper a hand on this?

A recap.

According to the OCT between 08:19am and 08:21am, just two to three minutes, no communication with cockpit, an alleged phonecall from the aircraft itself mentioning the word "hijacked", unauthorized deviation, transponder turned off, and ATC clearing traffic at all altitudes along its proposed path....

Within the next two to three minutes, ATC Boston believed that the aircraft was hijacked and had allegedly heard "we have some planes" and other threats being broadcast from the cockpit.

What happens next is a load of....nothing

@08:27am

ATC calls to UA175 to look out for AA11 "at 1 °'clock..10 miles southbound"

From Rob Balsamo's presentation:

i1067.photobucket.com...



08:28am

8 :28 A.M., Boston Center called the FAA Air Traffic ic Control System Command Center in Herndon, Virginia (Herdon Command Center) to advise management that it believed Flight 11 had been hijacked and was heading toward New York Center's airspace. By this point in time, Flight 11 had taken a dramatic turn to the south. Command Center immediately established a teleconference between Boston, New York and Cleveland Centers to allow Boston Center to provide situational awareness to the centers that adjoined Boston in the event the rogue aircraft entered their airspace. 

8:29A.M. An air traffic control specialist at the American Airlines' SOC contacted Boston Center to ask about the status of Flight 11.

www.archives.gov...

08:29am

www.rutgerslawreview.com...(11)%20082924%20AA11%20ZBW%20Notification%20ZOB%20ZNY%205115%20Line.mp3

Boston Center: Headin’ southwest bound, he’s like towards Hancock, ah, right, right around there. He’s Southwest of Albany, by one five miles

8:31 A.M. A controller at Boston Center told the American Airlines air traffic control specialist that the last known altitude of the aircraft was below 29,000 feet and that "He [Flight 11] was heading west. But right now he's pointed southwest of Albany." The controller also said the transponder had been lost and that "the controller heard a threat in the background, but that's unconfirmed and we're trying to pull the tape at this time."

www.archives.gov...  

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"After 8:30, before 8:45 a.m."

American Airlines Executive Vice President Gerard Arpey made a routine call to the airline's SOC and was informed that personnel there were on the phone with a flight attendant who was reporting violence and a cockpit intrusion on one of the company's flights.

(Yeah, Gerry, keep your options open on the timing of that call)


@08:32am

ATC - UA175 handed off to Sparta - AA11 continues southern course

i1067.photobucket.com...


08:32am

At 8:32 a.m., the Herndon Command Center notified the Operations Center at FAA headquarters in Washington, D.C., of a possible hijacking of Flight 11, and was told that FAA security personnel at headquarters had just begun discussing the hijacking on a conference call with the FAA's New England regional office.

[...]

Also at 8:32 A.M.,75 the American Airlines flight service manager at Logan, Michael Woodward, returned to his office and discovered that Sweeney had called again and was speaking with an employee in the office. Woodward, who was a friend of Sweeney's, took over the call. Sweeney said that she was sitting in the back of the plane next to Ong, who was still on the phone with Gonzalez.

The phone call between Sweeney and Woodward lasted approximately 12 minutes. It was not taped. According to Woodward, Sweeney was calm and collected. She provided the following information: she was sitting in the back of the aircraft next to Betty Ong; the plane had been hijacked; a man in first class had had his throat slashed; two flight attendants had been stabbed—one flight attendant had been stabbed seriously and was on oxygen while another flight attendant's wounds were not as serious and seemed to be okay; a doctor had been paged; the fli ht attendants were unable to contact the cockpit; and there was a bomb in the cockpit.

Sweeney told Woodward that she and Ong were trying to relay as much information as they could to people on the ground.

Source: Massaoui trial

So, six minutes to conclude that an alleged hijacking had taken place and a further seven minutes to ummm...chat.

What gives?

reply to post by Six Sigma


The "untold story"? Is any of the contents contained within the 911 Commission Report? If not, drop it.

If it's insinuating that there was "confusion" as to what was happening on this alleged flight, I see no evidence for it in my earlier sourced posts. Defend the official story man. I don't want to hear your subplots and opinion.

reply to post by Six Sigma


Like he is not one of the co conspirators of the lies that have been spilled out over 9/11 by the 9/11 Commission...a friend of peter Zelikow the Zionist who threw up road blocks on the commission....interesting.

Are you part of the game.....i mean why are you on conspiracy site trying to defend the OS then since you know it must all be true.

John Farmer would be asking why a country would go to war with Iraq when it is being portrayed that the hijackers were Saudi's....Which i myself think was a complete setup by Zionist Mossad...also...I would ask john why so much of the shadow government are dual citizen Israeli rabbi operatives ...I mean just read my signature thread to see my viewpoint.

I would also like to know why America is being sold down the proverbial river as a sacrifice for the gains wanted by Israel...Or the SOR(state of Rothchilds).

People know it was a setup.....so why does he not know....If your seeing this Mister Farmer...please feel free to answer any question you deem able to answer.....If you say it is all poppycock then i will honestly know you do not seek truth...you only seek to further the Zionists goals of global domination.....hundreds of thousands of innocent lives are being lost due to this 9/11 operation...and that can sit on ones conscience for a long time...and to take that away to ones grave with that on their shoulders would be a burden to carry for the strongest of individuals.

reply to post by ThePostExaminer



This is my last post to you here Bob. It's obvious the MOD's are okay with you posting here and linking posts to your site. I will not support you by bumping your threads any further.

It's interesting how 911Files posted another explanation for you and you jumped to another subject. I know your routine very well At risk of getting another warning for speaking the truth, I will stop now with the response about the book "The Untold Truth":

Drawing on previously classified records, recordings, and transcripts, John Farmer, the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission, has written the definitive account of 9/11 that enlarges-and revises-our understanding of what happened before, during, and beyond the attack, revealing a government that has systemically institutionalized failure and rewarded deception. The result is "a major, carefully documented and deeply disturbing book, one that deserves the most serious attention of every American concerned about our future" (Haynes Johnson, Pulitzer Prize winner and bestselling author).

No, it's not a pop-up book.

Now back to the discussion at hand...It seems that from listening to the air traffic controllers of the day...they knew there was a hijacking but were distracted....told to hold...told they were being dealt with...and left holding the bag in utter confusion as to what was real world and what was exercise on the day...I mean soon as there was evidence that a real world scenario was occurring....should not all of the exercise been stopped and then skys cleared and all planes in the air at the time then be accounted for...especially anything that left boston ....or New york the moment it was confirmed...I mean when the ATC phone i think his name was Cooper.it was obvious a real world hijacking was occurring.


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reply to post by plube

I mean soon as there was evidence that a real world scenario was occurring....should not all of the exercise been stopped and then skys cleared and all planes in the air at the time then be accounted for...especially anything that left boston ....or New york

Yeah. And that only takes what - 3 seconds, maybe 4? All "exercise" were stopped. Skys cleared? There were almost 4000 planes in the air. How long do you think it would take to "account" for all those flights?

Incredible.

reply to post by ThePostExaminer


TPE, earlier you linked to to a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff instruction regarding military procedures. Now you're pointing out that ATC and American Airlines were slow to react, how are the two related?

reply to post by ThePostExaminer

According to the OCT, within six minutes/360 seconds of the last comm, Boston ATC was fully aware of the alleged situation on "Flight 11"

Is there some new point here? 900 seconds after the flight attendent intiated the call to the reservation center about the hijacking two pilots were preparing to get into F-15s. Where this going?

Six Sigma

Drawing on previously classified records, recordings, and transcripts, John Farmer, the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission, has written the definitive account of 9/11 that enlarges-and revises-our understanding of what happened before, during, and beyond the attack, revealing a government that has systemically institutionalized failure and rewarded deception. The result is "a major, carefully documented and deeply disturbing book, one that deserves the most serious attention of every American concerned about our future" (Haynes Johnson, Pulitzer Prize winner and bestselling author).

That's your source?

I guarantee this "damning" report, by a 911 Commission lapdog attempts to "balance" it out. Take the sting out of the quoted soundbite above to sell his book.

Now that is sick.

Again, were his claims of "institutionalized failure and rewarded failure" brought up during the 911 Commission hearings? After reports?

Pure damage control and conscience soothing for the likes of yourself and other GLs turning a blind eye to the obvious.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by ThePostExaminer

 

According to the OCT, within six minutes/360 seconds of the last comm, Boston ATC was fully aware of the alleged situation on "Flight 11"

Is there some new point here? 900 seconds after the flight attendent intiated the call to the reservation center about the hijacking two pilots were preparing to get into F-15s. Where this going?

You and I both know where it's going... It's just babbling by the ignorant to prolong the fantasy of a conspiracy no matter if the commentator has a clue about the subject the're addressing. The more suspicion that can be cast, the more baby gullible "truthers" that will join the cult....

Just pretend to have a legitimate point and someone will be dumb enough to buy it

Originally posted by ReheatYou and I both know where it's going... It's just babbling by the ignorant to prolong the fantasy of a conspiracy no matter if the commentator has a clue about the subject the're addressing. The more suspicion that can be cast, the more baby gullible "truthers" that will join the cult....

Just pretend to have a legitimate point and someone will be dumb enough to buy it

Darn, I'm still awaiting the filters and other methodology P4T used to "tamper" with the screenshots to get the imaginary "plane swap" that did not happen.