George Takei's blog on the BSA reaffirmation of the ban on LGBT Scouts & Leaders

The amount of Hate in this thread, IS TOO DAMN HIGH.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by Annee

 

Huh?

I don't go to those blogs. The only blogs I go to are Concept Ships for their star ship art and one or two others that have to do with star trek and that's it. I don't go to those kinds of blogs. I think you have me confused with somebody else.

I stay out of those blogs because I have unpopular opinions of them and they would ban me in an instant because they'd call me a bigot for my unpopular views.

I like being informed.

And I'm telling you - - I've read exactly what you posted about being hypocritical - - many times - - on gay sites - - - gays chastising their own.

Because I think it's wrong to force people to accept you, and that's what homosexuals want, is to force people to accept them.

Yeah - - well I'm old enough to have lived prior to and see the passing of: The Disability Act - - The Fair Housing Act - - the Civil Rights Act - - the Information Act - - etc etc etc.

It is sad the equality has to be forced - - but it does.

My inequality experience comes from having a disabled mother in the 50s. People are very very mean - - down right nasty. My mom - full length brace - crutches - 3 small children - - - denied admittance to restaurants - - because it would disturb others. More then once.

YES - - - ABSOLUTELY! EQUALITY MUST BE FORCED.

reply to post by truthinfact


Who is hating? Since when does disagreeing = hatred? It really does seem to be all or nothing with homosexuals. If I disagree with you then I'm a bigot, hater, hate monger,,,,, I really do not get it. Folks acting like small children. "If you do not agree with me then you hate me" WHATEVAAAAAAAA

reply to post by Christian Voice


No, I am sick of seeing people using their religion in Vain to justify their hate for a specific group of people.

It needs to stop.

reply to post by Annee


No, equality must not be forced. A disability cannot be helped, nor can the color of your skin, but the choice of homosexuality can. When someone chooses to live that lifestyle how can they be so bold as to get upset when the world does not like it. The next thing I guess we will see is homosexuals suing people for looking at them with a disgusted look. I dare that one to happen.

reply to post by Annee


And I'm telling you, no you haven't. I DO NOT GO TO THOSE BLOGS.

And why must equality be forced on to private organizations like the BSA? Don't they have their rights too?

The public sector is one thing.

But private sector is a whole other thing.

I guess some people just have more rights than others.

If it's okay for homosexuals to force their way into private sector, then it's okay for private groups such as Christians to force their way into your home. Things being equal, of course.

But of course they're not because homosexuals are special people and should be protected so they should be allowed to force their way onto places where they are not wanted.

But who cares, right?

reply to post by jonnywhite


I am absolutely aware of brain scans. Its major in modern study of human behavior (choice and not-choice).

If you search me and brainscan on ATS - - you will see I've talked about it and read research on it.

However - - - I support the sliding scale of degrees of hetero and homo. I do think those of opposite gender attraction more toward the far end of the scale would show physical brain patterns as you describe. I doubt it applies to all.

Then there is the fruit flies where gender attraction was changed by changing brain chemicals.

Recently a researcher in gender identity stated - - there is no black and white - - only all shades of gray. We have a lot to learn.

Discrimination while learning is unacceptable.

reply to post by truthinfact


Again, because I am Christian and do not agree with homosexuality, how does that equate to hatred? I chose to run a Boy Scout troop because I liked what they stood for and the moral values they present. Givin that why would I stand by and let people (with lifestyles that are so contrary to the Christian principles that Scouting is built upon) come in and rewrite the very reasons for it's existence? they can find their own group. Why would a homosexual strive to join a Christian group anyway?

reply to post by Christian Voice


Hmm Idk, Possibly because gay people would like to experience the love of god also?


but no, in your mind, Homosexuality could never possibly just be Natures response to over population?

no, because of several small oddly interpreted passages in the Bible, you believe all gays are just Sinners.


I got news for you, Equality is coming. and not just for the gays. us All.



and PS,
Trust me. I am always right.

The answer to all this is to produce an organization that's like the boy scouts of america but allows gays and LGBT into their membership. This is America, and that's how things work in this country.

What about Mensa? It doesn't allow people who have low IQ into its membership. Should we force them now to accept people with low IQ into their ranks? Isn't this similar?

What about the NBA. There're so many african-americans and tall players. Why not force them to allow more caucasions and shorter players so that it's more equal?

All these arguments are superfluous since this country ALREADY allows people to make new institutions. We're not stuck with the old ones. The BSA is too big and too old for its own good anyway, so it's time for a more liberal organization to form. Freedom, not tyranny.

Besides, the argument I made in my first post in this thread has nothing to do with these issues. It has to do with the fact that I would be uncomfortable allowing a heterosexual woman to coach the boys basketball team if my hypothetical boy wanted to participate on the team. He may be perfectly safe (and I'd probably get to know the coach to be sure), but the fact that most rapes and molestations happen between people who already have close relationships would make me nervous. I would not want a woman coach to be forced onto me by the government just because some people thought it was discriminatory otherwise. By all means, lets have some woman coaches. But let parents choose and it may turn out that most wouldn't choose woman coaches for their boys.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by Annee

 

And I'm telling you, no you haven't. I DO NOT GO TO THOSE BLOGS.

What are you talking about. I never said YOU went to those blogs.

I said I read the same sentiment you posted - - - in almost exact wording.

And why must equality be forced on to private organizations like the BSA? Don't they have their rights too?

Because it is a children's organization. Personally I would prefer "screw the BSA" - - start a new organization open to everyone.

guess some people just have more rights than others.

Yes they do. Time to change that.

Screw it. Not gonna waste my time on someone who pulls the "gays are special" rant.

reply to post by truthinfact


Whatever, an awefully vain assumption on your part to say you are always right. According to God and his Bible homosexuals cannot possibly experience the love of God until they renounce their sin (homosexuality) and walk away from it. God and the Bible say homosexuality is an abomination. How are homosexuals just going to come into the Christian faith and try and rewrite the Bible to suit them? It aint gonna happen. Again, let them start their own religion to suit their needs and leave ours alone, let them start their own scouting group and leave ours alone. Quit trying to change the world to suit your perversions.

Originally posted by jonnywhite

What about Mensa? It doesn't allow people who have low IQ into its membership. Should we force them now to accept people with low IQ into their ranks? Isn't this similar?

Boy scouts allow Boys. I'm not getting the argument.

I do know that some Boy Scout troops have allowed girls - - - if there is not girl group in their area.

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by Annee

 

No, equality must not be forced. A disability cannot be helped, nor can the color of your skin, but the choice of homosexuality can.

I really have no tolerance for ignorance anymore.

Same sex attraction is a birth right - - it is how God made them.

Why don't you get out of your "cloistered world" - - - and get some real facts.

reply to post by Christian Voice


Have you ever gone door to door to convert "heathens"?

I don't care if you have or haven't.

Christians, Mormons and JWs are the biggest offenders when it comes to forced conversion.

reply to post by Annee


Pull it on me, I absolutely agree that homosexuals are striving to be the teachers pets of this planet. Tell me please, what is so wrong in your mind with a private institution admitting who they want and homosexuals just starting their own group? Why are they making such a fuss to be a part of a group that is so strongly against them?

reply to post by truthinfact

It can't be nature's response to over population. If it is it's failed miserably with now over seven billion people on this planet.

And that's no real justification for homosexuality.

And the Bible is clear on homosexuality. The act is considered to be an abomination. To use the Bible to justify homosexuality is to use Sophistry and any other dirty trick one can think of.

In truth homosexuality can not be justified, any attempt to do so is just sophistry and dishonesty.

It is not natural, it is not normal. To claim so is a lie.

But this is America, with the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

You want to be one, go right ahead. I won't stop you. Just don't force it on me because I will never under any circumstances accept it is a magical, normal, and natural thing. Just accept that I don't want anything to do with you and we'll be fine. I don't care if you want to be married or not either, just go to a church that will marry you, and don't force other churches to marry you because they have that right too. They do not have to marry you or accept you. Two wrongs to not make a right, and it is wrong for anybody to impose their views onto another group of people. Same thing for homosexuals. THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY RIGHT TO IMPOSE THEIR VIEWS ON TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT THEM.

I say just let God be the judge, and when you go to him, then you will find out the real truth.

Now comes the part where people call me a hater.

I have nothing more to say.

reply to post by Annee


No it is not how God made them. Why would he call them abominations if he made them? People are not sexual beings at all until puberty. The weirdos that swear they had actual sexual attractions as a young child are full of it. Puberty is when the sexual hormones kick in and sexual attraction starts. I'm not talking about finding a boy or girl cute either, I'm talking full blown sexual attraction. Given this, there are quite a few years for the person to develop their attractions.

reply to post by Annee


You were the one who pulled it.

If one is for equality they are against people being special people. Because special people people always think they are above the same rules as anybody else.

Go ahead and argue such idiocy if you want.

But true equality states that everybody has an equal right and no one has any special privileges or double standards.

If it's okay for homosexuals to force themselves onto others because they are such special people because they've been treated poorly, then Christians have the same right to force themselves onto you. To argue otherwise to argue for special privileges and double standards.

This is my last post in this thread.

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by Annee

 

No it is not how God made them.

YES - it is.

Same gender attraction is part of how the "soup was stirred". It is how they are born - - as God made them.

There is no excuse for ignorance. Not even ideologies.