Zimmerman Accused of Molesting his Cousin.

Originally posted by TraitorKiller

The problem was that people were condemning the girl as a liar right of the bat, just because they love Zimmerman and his actions.

And I'll agree with you 100% on that! I even said as much in one of my other posts in this thread. Nobody should be claiming to know for a fact that Zimmerman is guilty or innocent in respect to molesting his cousin. I think that's something we can both agree on.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by TraitorKiller

 

I don't get why Zimmerman has so many fans. He didn't do anything of admiration. He enticed a confrontation knowing full well he had a gun and would come out the winner. He left a teenager dead, what is there to like?

Not to mention he is a woman beater and anger management issues.

I don't know if, judging by my posts, you consider me to be a "fan" of Zimmerman or not. If not, feel free to ignore my post.

If you do consider me to be a "fan" of Zimmerman, then:

I'm not a fan of Zimmerman. I don't have to be a fan of someone to defend them in specific circumstances. As I have stated many times already, I judged the whole Zimmerman/Martin situation on who committed the first illegal act. Zimmerman did not commit any crime by following someone in his neighborhood who he felt was suspicious. He did not commit any crime by carrying a gun. He did not commit any crime by confronting Martin and inquiring what his business in the area was.

Martin, on the other hand, DID commit a crime by physically attacking Zimmerman. The first criminal act of the entire scenario. Zimmerman's life was under thread. As I said before, if you get in a fight, knock someone down, and kick them in the head you can be charged with attempted murder. Martin smashing Zimmerman's head on the concrete was attempted murder, he was using deadly force against Zimmerman. Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense. Case closed.

Do I think Zimmerman was being stupid? Absolutely. He should have just watched Martin from a distance and make sure he didn't hurt anybody or damage/steal any property. But he didn't make that choice. He didn't have to make that choice. He wasn't ordered by any police officer to stand down. Only a dispatcher suggested he wait for the police. So while Zimmerman's choice to confront Martin was stupid, it wasn't illegal. Martin physically attacking Zimmerman, however, was highly illegal. And it cost him his life.

That's why I defend Zimmerman. Because I think he deserves being defended. I'm not his friend, his buddy, his pal, I'm certainly not a "fan" of him. But everyone wants to vilify him for defending his life. And that I cannot stand for. Nobody wants to put any responsibility onto Martin, who people portray as some meek little child. He wasn't a meek little child, he was basically a full grown man who viciously attacked martin, and martin defended himself.

When a 16 year old kid, that actually looks like a kid, kills someone or assaults someone, they often get charged as an adult, treated like an adult, and given the responsibility of an adult. But people refuse to do that with Martin. Even though he was large, looked very mature, and physically assaulted another person, people try to make him seem like some little geeky kid that gets picked on at the playground.

The media shows pictures of him from years ago to manipulate public opinion against Zimmerman. Well I won't be manipulated like that. I'll look into the facts myself and make my own choices. I won't simply hate who they tell me to hate, feel bad for who they tell me to, and like who they tell me to.

The media continued their manipulation campaign by making this whole situation into a race thing. Big old mean angry white man in a blood lust on the prowl to slay a poor little black kid. That's what they want everyone to think. They want to divide people and make people angry. Too many fell into that trap.

So in closing, no, I'm not a fan of Zimmerman. But I'll sure as hell defend him to the best of my ability when I see that people aren't acting rationally or thinking logically with regards to the Zimmerman case.

Originally posted by TraitorKiller
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

You know people just love the fact he killed a black guy, just the kinda black guy they fear and hate in their own surroundings.

It's just pure racism, is what it is, and I'm white.

Racism mixed with a little gun ownership pride(I support gun ownership).

I'll be the first to admit that unfortunately there are some members here on ATS that support Zimmerman for that reason.

But there are also plenty of people, like me, who don't support Zimmerman, but defend him because they see a man who simply defended his own life. He made a few stupid choices, but those choices weren't illegal and at the point where he took Martin's life, he was fighting for his own. I can't fault someone for that.

It does upset me though, that you would lump everyone who defends Zimmerman together. And not only just lump them all together, but together as racists that defend him simply because he killed a black person and they are happy about it.

I think that's pretty disingenuous and you know it, but are simply using it as a way to attack those that disagree with you.

When I first heard about this story from a friend over the phone, I assumed they were both white. He was telling me what happened and said "Zimmerman" and "Martin" They both just sounded like white names to me, and I assumed they were both white.

And guess what? I felt the exact same way about it then as I do now. The ironic part, is that when my friend told me how the media was trying to make a race issue about it, I literally said "Huh? What, because the shooter was Jewish?" My friend laughed at me and said the one he killed was black, and that Zimmerman was Hispanic (we know now that he's part Hispanic part white)

So when I got off the phone with my friend, I thought the media was trying to promote Hispanic vs Black tensions. It wasn't even until I came here to ATS where I learned everyone was calling Zimmerman white, and it had turned into a "White vs Black" thing.

So whatever, if you want to accuse people of being racists who are happy a black guy is dead simply because they disagree with you, and attacks are the only method to refute people, go right ahead. I can't stop you, but I think you know it's wrong.

reply to post by James1982


If you aren't a fan of Zimmerman, like many appear to be, the comment wasn't aimed at you.

reply to post by James1982


Zimmerman did what was valid in the situation.Now the obamatrons are trying to lynch him in the name of racism.

Originally posted by TraitorKiller
reply to post by James1982

 

If you aren't a fan of Zimmerman, like many appear to be, the comment wasn't aimed at you.

Fair enough, I wasn't clear on your criteria used to determine Zimmerman fan status. Some people would consider anyone that doesn't openly show their extreme hatred for Zimmerman a fan.

reply to post by James1982

Martin physically attacking Zimmerman, however, was highly illegal. And it cost him his life.

I haven't been following the case lately, but is there proof that Martin attacked him first? I thought this was an anonymous witness that said this.

Reply to post by ludwigvonmises003

It says a lot about you and how small minded you are that anyone who is against Zimmerman is an 'obamatron' so what shall I call you a 'romneybot?'


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I wonder if the prosecution realizes that their case is weak and now they just want to try to get him in a perjury trap?

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What does perjury have to do with the accusations made by his cousin?

How would that trap work?

reply to post by acmpnsfal


I am a Ron Paul supporter.Romney is a Rothschild puppet and closet liberal/neoconservative.

Reply to post by ludwigvonmises003

So, let me get this straight...you are a Ron Paul supporter attempting to polarize this Zimmerman issue in two camps and make all types of unfounded assumptions? Geeze I thought you guys were better than the rest of us regular folk. Welp its a good thing Ron Paul will NEVER win and you crackpots can waste your votes on him.....I mean if your votes actually mattered.....the damage....smh.


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reply to post by acmpnsfal


Martin was a thug who attacked Zimmerman.Zimmerman shot him in self defense.

Case closed.

reply to post by boncho


It's not incest because he never had sex with her. I don't see any claims of rape? Am I wrong about that? So as she said "he would try stuff under the blankets" and he did that from 8 until 18?

Attention and shame , victim and star.
Put it in a pot and you get predictable results and I am not saying nothing happened.

Actually she is likely telling the truth about what happened when she was 6 and he was 8, but it CERTAINLY doesn't make him a molester. They were practically the same age and he was as ignorant of what he was doing as she was.

If this is what the prosecution is trying to stoop to they REALLY don't have a case against Zimmerman.
LOL.

Reply to post by ludwigvonmises003

Riiiight, Martin is a thug case closed, but we can just ignore Zimmerman's lengthy rap sheet of violence and trouble with authority as a grown man. Whereas the minor infractions that popped up on Trayvon's history as a teenager automatically condemn him. Lol. Please.


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reply to post by Domo1


He didn't rape her at least she hasn't said he did. Things happened when they were both little kids and I guess they continued to happen (for ten years and then she waits ANOTHER TEN YEARS and coincidentally when he is in the spotlight to report it). All it really means is the prosecution has no case whatsoever and they have to assassinate his character as much as possible, and EVERYONE hates a molester.. now if they can just convince the jury the girl is still 6 and Zimmerman wasn't 8 when it happened they might have a chance. Actually.. now that I think of it.. they did pass him off as a white racist for a while so who knows.

Just to give everyone a running count on this bologne.

This woman, Zimmerman's cousin (1st, 2nd, 3rd?) is only 2 years younger than Zimmerman.

So when she was 6 and "molested" by Zimmerman, Zimmerman was 8.

Alledgedly it continued for 10 years (but never turned into sex). So until she was 16.

Then 10 or 11 more years go by and now she is telling the story?! And it happens to be while prosecution is digging up dirt on an overblown case they have no chance of winning.

Could it be possible that these two CHILDREN played "doctor" or whatever, both ignorant of what they were doing, and then maybe 5 years later there is another awkward moment of sexual tension/touching, and then say 5 more years after that? Or maybe even less. The prosecutors and witness could stretch anything. Something happened when she was six and then something else at sixteen the prosecutor can say "it went on for ten years."

Not saying that is what happened but EVERYONE should stay suspicious on cases like this. Why on Earth did this woman bring up something 10 years old and unrelated in any way to the charges?

As I said before, this case is getting stupid, I hope the prosecutors lose their licenses.

What does this have to do with politics?

reply to post by RealSpoke


We aren't fans we just refuse to carry pitchforks and condemn a man for something he is likely innocent of. If everyone thought like the people that are wanting to hang him out to dry (unsurprisingly but ironicly most of them are liberal who foresake their cliche stances for the chic racial ones) then MANY innocent people would go to jail.

We defend him to keep media propogated ignorance from corrupting the corrupt justice system any further. If we don't defend this guy no one will. If no one cares why should his lawyers? Winning for him would be a victory to no one but themselves and wouldn't help them in the least so they may very well give up. Mostly though, it's the arrogant satisfaction of knowing we're right at the end of the day.

reply to post by TraitorKiller


Get real.

That is b.s. and you can't believe your own words.

It was TEN years after it stopped happening when she called the police. Why would she wait until now? They would have taken him into custody any time she told them. I mean he is going to be a free man after his trial so she must not be too afraid.

It started when Zimmerman was 8. 8! Is that not getting through to you? They were the same age. He wasn't a molester. I highly doubt it went on for 10 years, but if it did it was consensual or negligable (considering they never had sex, that's a long time to go with no progression, kinda sounds like - you know - the exact opposite of a sexual deviant or molester).