Firefighters Ordered to Remove American Flags From Their Trucks

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I digress. I thought that we did provide Australia with aid.

My apologies.

But, for the record, if I ever moved from the USA, Australia or New Zealand would be my pick.

Originally posted by phantomjack
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I digress. I thought that we did provide Australia with aid.

My apologies.

But, for the record, if I ever moved from the USA, Australia or New Zealand would be my pick.

I am not anti-American contrary to popular belief, I am just against the corporatist war-machine that hides underneath the American flag.
No need to apologise.

CK.

The next thing they will say is that no US military can display the flag as well. Might as well go to the UN and tell them that they cannot display any flag from any nation that they have on their polls. The US government buildings as well cannot display or when the President of the US speaks on tv they cannot show the flag that is behind him always. This is going tooooo far if you ask me. Someone must put a stop to this. I am sensitive about not having the US flag displayed in any place. Will they take that up and see if they can do something about it???.

This. . . is absolutely ridiculous. What right do Anti-Americans have in America?? We don't need to be sympathetic to those sort of people, we need to say: 'This is America, yes, we have the American flag, if you don't like it or don't like America, feel free to leave.'

These people are almost saying 'Yes!' to hate groups, is what it is.

Earthdude is silly. This type of guy will one day wear a "UN" patch proudly. He is, after all, a global "earth" kind of guy. Forget what Americans forefathers fought for. Traitor.

Originally posted by WIKDHOTSNOMAN
Earthdude is silly. This type of guy will one day wear a "UN" patch proudly. He is, after all, a global "earth" kind of guy. Forget what Americans forefathers fought for. Traitor.

Reflexive accusations of treason are not useful. If you have concrete reasons for feeling passionate about keeping the American flag, then that is fair enough; but you would likely benefit both the rest of us, and yourself, more if you were able to explain what said reasons are in a clear manner, rather than simply attacking another poster.

The 'Anti-Americans' are the 'State', Not the Muslims, Christian's, Jews, or anyone else. The State is global, & it is at war with the people, but haven't declared it yet... Obama has declared the State to be God, & our creator. What an ego!! Govt is more anti-American than the other 6.9 billion other people on the planet.

Making way for the flag of the UN....

I am a naturalized US Citizen, I feel offended that the US flag is insulting to anti-americans. I dislike the treasonous tyrannical gov. But I love this country and what the stars and stripes represent. Only idiocy can allow such moronic behaviour of "being sensitive to anti-americans" (living in the US) which I find to be a bit ironic.

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Oh god, you have to be kidding me.
Complaining about the flag of the nation you're in being flown by people that risk their lives everyday to save people?

That's not even the sad part. The sad part is that their superiors told them to take it down, instead of telling the complainers to bugger off.

If any of you would spend a few seconds on google, you can completely debunk OP's idiotic post:

www.theledger.com...

"The flags' staffs were not "fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender" like the Flag Code prescribes.

The resident complained about the improper display, Shanabrook said. So city administrators ordered the makeshift flags removed, and invited employees to come up with a plan that complied with Flag Code.

No one did, Shanabrook said.

A few weeks ago, an employee put a flag on a fire engine again. A resident complained again.

"While we do not believe the act of one of our employees to display a flag was meant to be disrespectful, the flag was removed," Shanabrook said in a statement."

Originally posted by phantomjack

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke

Originally posted by phantomjack

Flags have been fought for since the beginning of civilizations.

That's simply not true. National flags, like nationalism itself, are a recent invention.

From the wiki:

Historically, flags originate as military standards, used as field signs. The practice of flying flags indicating the country of origin outside of the context of warfare emerges with the maritime flag, introduced during the age of sail, in the early 17th century. It was only with the emergence of nationalist sentiment from the late 18th century that the desire was felt to display national flags also in civilian contexts,[1] notably the US flag, in origin adopted as a naval ensign in 1777, which after the American Revolution[year needed] began to be displayed as a generic symbol of the United States, and the French Tricolore which became a symbol of the Republic in the 1790s. The British Union Flag was designed as a naval ensign in the 17th century, but it was not identified as "national flag" of the United Kingdom prior to 1908.[2]

Most countries of Europe adopted a national flag in the course of the 19th and early 20th centuries

That is absolutely not true. Whoever wrote that wiki is completely wrong.

Armies going back to the greeks and romans, and even as far back as Ancient Egypt and the Vikings flew their country's colors in ALL battles.

Nonsense - national flags, like the nation state, are a recent invention. I'll humour you though - which country's flag did the Vikings take into battle? What did it look like?

I suggest you look up who the Vikings were, and you might see how silly your claim is.

Same questions for the Ancient Greek, Roman and Ancient Egyptian flags - which "country" did they represent, and what national flag did they fly.

As I said, the nation state is a recent invention, again from the wiki:

Most theories see the nation state as a 19th-century European phenomenon, facilitated by developments such as mass literacy and the early mass media. However, historians also note the early emergence of a relatively unified state, and a sense of common identity, in Portugal and the Dutch Republic.
In France, Eric Hobsbawm argues the French state preceded the formation of the French people. Hobsbawm considers that the state made the French nation, not French nationalism, which emerged at the end of the 19th century, the time of the Dreyfus Affair. At the time of the 1789 French Revolution, only half of the French people spoke some French, and 12-13% spoke it "fairly", according to Hobsbawm.

etc

Do you think this wiki is also completely wrong?

Just thought I would add, that the very same thing is also going on in Sweden.
In a growing number of circumstances, the Swedish Flag is not allowed to be displayed, as it is considered "a Political symbol" that might be considered as "Nationalsocialistic" and insulting to certain groups.
Many schools(not all, mind you though) have also forbidden the singing of the Swedish National anthem for the same reasons, as it is considered "Nationalistic", and some schools do neither want to even display the flag at all for the same reasons.

This is only a few examples, but nonetheless worth mentioning in regards of this topic.

Actually, the more I think about it, this probably is part of the push to move us towards world government.

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I am not a big fan of US in general (way of thinking, working conditions, etc.), but there is something about US for which I have a huge respect, is your love for your country and your flag. And following, the respect which you guys have for the people who represent this flag and would give their life for it (e.g. firefighters, soliders, etc.).

Here in Europe, if you are seen with your country flag you are just a national fascist, but then it is OK to have another country flag with you, as it is your origin. I especially think of France.
Situation has been improving with the last two football/soccer world cups, but I would never ever see myself walking around with my country flag, or have it on my car, on my house, etc. except maybe during world cup football games.

When soldiers have died for USA, even in Irak (i.e. a war which is not fully supported by US people), you US people show a lot of respect for these fallen soldiers.
I know it is the same in Canada. I remember seeing some photos of fallen soldiers coffins being transported from the airbase (where they arrived from Afghanistan) to another military base, and you could see so many people, on the way, with Canadian flags, paying homage to these fallen soldiers.

Here in Europe some people are almost happy that our soldiers are killed somewhere (e.g. check out what Mohammed Merah, the child killer from Toulouse, said before he was killed).
There is no respect for one's country or flag.
I remember a few years ago that some people replaced the French flag by an Algerian flag in a town, politicians were just a bit annoyed.

Once again, I wish Europe was not following that much US, in economy, etc. but we should DEFINITELY follow US regarding your love for your country & flag.

That said, you can guess my position regarding these flags removal.
I can understand that some people may find the use of a big flag on a fire truck a bit innapropriate, but hey, the small flags on the side of the truck, inappropriate???

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Again, comprehend HOW the "government/corporation" works. If you have the 'American flag" on your auto, it is governed by a different law than the corporate "U.S." There is a distinct difference between the USA and the "U.S." and having that flag on the trucks removes jurisdiction FROM the city to the people. Cops can do nothing with these vehicles if they have the flag on them that is the American Flag. It is all the Law of the Sea, Admirality law. Put an American flag on your auto and the next time you are stopped tell the cop he has committed federal felonies by using emergency lights to fraudulently stop you for nothing, if there is no injured party or no damaged proeprty, there is no emergency and no crime. We do not fall under the corporate statutes of the state or city!!!

Removal of the flags means the city can take them over and use them to enforce the governments BS and to violate the people!! THAT should worry you.

Originally posted by stanats
If any of you would spend a few seconds on google, you can completely debunk OP's idiotic post:

www.theledger.com...

"The flags' staffs were not "fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender" like the Flag Code prescribes.

The resident complained about the improper display, Shanabrook said. So city administrators ordered the makeshift flags removed, and invited employees to come up with a plan that complied with Flag Code.

No one did, Shanabrook said.

A few weeks ago, an employee put a flag on a fire engine again. A resident complained again.

"While we do not believe the act of one of our employees to display a flag was meant to be disrespectful, the flag was removed," Shanabrook said in a statement."

More BS, learn the truth here...www.barefootsworld.net...

First the appearance of our flag is defined in Title 4 sec. 1. U.S.C..


"The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be forty-eight stars, white in a blue field." (Note - of course when new states are admitted new stars are added.)


A foot note was added on page 1113 of the same section which says:


"Placing of fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag, and arrangement of the stars are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but within the discretion of the President as Commander-In-Chief of the Army and Navy." - 1925, 34 Op.Atty.Gen. 483.


The president as military commander can add a yellow fringe to our flag. When would this be done? During a time of war. Why? A flag with a fringe is an ensign, a military flag. Read the following.


"Pursuant to U.S.C. Chapter 1, 2, and 3; Executive Order No. 10834, August 21, 1959, 24 F.R. 6865, a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE, bordered on three sides. The President of the United states designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the Armed forces."


From the National Encyclopedia, Volume 4:


"Flag, an emblem of a nation; usually made of cloth and flown from a staff. From a military standpoint flags are of two general classes, those flown from stationary masts over army posts, and those carried by troops in formation. The former are referred to by the general name flags. The latter are called colors when carried by dismounted troops. Colors and Standards are more nearly square than flags and are made of silk with a knotted Fringe of Yellow on three sides...........use of the flag. The most general and appropriate use of the flag is as a symbol of authority and power."


The reason I started with the Flag issue is because it is so easy to grasp. The main problem I have with the yellow fringe is that by its use our Constitutional Republic is no more. Our system of law was changed without the public's knowledge. It was kept secret. This is fraud. The American people were allowed to believe this was just a decoration. Because the law changed from Common Law (God's Law) to Admiralty Law (the kings law) your status also changed from sovereign to subject. From being able to own property (allodial title) to not owning property (tenet on the land). If you think you own your property, stop paying taxes, it will be taken under the prize law.

i wonder if this is just something to make everyone run around with a flag and be patriotic like after 9/11

So, we aren't in America anymore?

I believe the removal of the large flags from the backs of the trucks was justified. Proper flag etiquette does not allow for such a display...(irreverent positioning) and when a government entity disrespects the flag it's that much worse.

Additionally, it could have been a safety hazard if the large flag fell off and covered a motorists window driving behind the fire truck... or even if it touched the ground which is also a form of disrespect.

I am a veteran and well versed in flag etiquette, wearing a flag lapel pin is disrespectful under the code... draping the flag over you as you hold the Olympic gold medal (1980 hockey team) is disrespectful as well... wearing clothing with a flag is disrespecting it as well. I know many will say hogwash but you can look it up here :

Flag Code

I don't know all the facts around this story and if the concerned citizens were patriots like me or anti-Americans like you all think.. .but having proper respect for the flag might offend some people if they don't know the rules!