Breaking: Intense Fighting in Damascus

Originally posted by OpinionatedB


so... who are you going to believe, people who are there and know the situation? Or MSM and al qaeda/muslim brotherhood propaganda?

Again, those are not the only options, but I see you are one of those who engages in the 'if you disagree with me then you must support the other guy' approach, despite what I have actually stated.

All 'sides' in this conflict spread propaganda. When you openly admit to accepting one sides propaganda as fact, you are limiting your ability to understand a nuanced and complicated situation.

Syria has been destabilized, Assad needs to go, but so do the rebels. The way things are going I see one of two things will happen. Either, Syria will be divided into different militias and sects just as Libya has been or, an Islamic government will be put in power.
I don't see Assad staying in power however, at least I don't think he should.

I feel so sorry for the average citizens of Syria, I hope the best for them but it doesn't look good.
People need to realize that both sides are in the wrong and they both need to lay down their arms. It needs to happen soon as well.

Originally posted by zroth
reply to stanguilles & Juggernog


OK, a little history.

Damascus is a city name, of the land that was partitioned in the land grabs knows as WW1 & 2.

Modern day nations were named during the western imperialism and colonization periods of recent history.

Same is true of Israel, Iraq, etc;

The goal of the west was to separate the Arab nations and to install governments aligned to the western thinking.

Divided you fall and what not.

Sure. But the fact remains, the reason the 'MSM' is referring to "Damascus" is that is where the fighting is occurring. In Damascus.

Originally posted by ThedeadeyesofCharlieSheen
Syria has been destabilized, Assad needs to go, but so do the rebels. The way things are going I see one of two things will happen. Either, Syria will be divided into different militias and sects just as Libya has been or, an Islamic government will be put in power.
I don't see Assad staying in power however, at least I don't think he should.

I feel so sorry for the average citizens of Syria, I hope the best for them but it doesn't look good.
People need to realize that both sides are in the wrong and they both need to lay down their arms. It needs to happen soon as well.

Well said. Here's a very well written and sourced article speculating that the UN and Russia are colluding for co-control of Syria.

www.aljazeera.com...

reply to post by stanguilles7


What I am listening to are people who want to keep such things as freedom of religion among other freedoms in their home country....

so sorry if you think this is listening to propaganda!

Even the Syrian Christians have been Begging the west to stop supporting these extremist wahabbis and no one is listening to them!

Not one of you people are listening to just average people in Syria!

reply to post by stanguilles7


We'll have to agree to disagree.

For months the MSM has reported violence in "Syria" as a nation. They have not been region or city specific.

As the agenda moves towards pushing the WW3 act, on the world stage of the global theatre the MSM starts to use specific terminology from biblical prophecy.

This has been going on since Israel stole their land, since the arab nations were formed in the 20s-60s and continues in mass NLP bombardment since 9/11.

For you it may be a simple statement that seems legit at the moment and that is ok.

For me this is just another abusive misuse of a controlled media that psychologically abuses the ignorant.

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

What I am listening to are people who want to keep such things as freedom of religion among other freedoms in their home country....

so sorry if you think this is listening to propaganda!

Even the Syrian Christians have been Begging the west to stop supporting these extremist wahabbis and no one is listening to them!

Not one of you people are listening to just average people in Syria!

Right. You blindly believe your 'sources' but equally reject others.

I tend to be skeptical of all sides

An inquiry to contemplate,

if Syria's few allies believe the Government is being overtaken, shall they aid with Military strikes of their own?

reply to post by ThedeadeyesofCharlieSheen


Couldn't have said it better myself. Both sides indeed are acting terribly, shame that our governments are willing to turn a blind eye to murder and torture unless it's done by someone who they want rid off. This reminds me of Libya so much, I hope the Syrian people have peace, but it looks terrible for them atm. This whole thing is becoming depressingly common, De ja vu or what?!

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by ThedeadeyesofCharlieSheen
Syria has been destabilized, Assad needs to go, but so do the rebels. The way things are going I see one of two things will happen. Either, Syria will be divided into different militias and sects just as Libya has been or, an Islamic government will be put in power.
I don't see Assad staying in power however, at least I don't think he should.

I feel so sorry for the average citizens of Syria, I hope the best for them but it doesn't look good.
People need to realize that both sides are in the wrong and they both need to lay down their arms. It needs to happen soon as well.

Well said. Here's a very well written and sourced article speculating that the UN and Russia are colluding for co-control of Syria.

www.aljazeera.com...

Thanks for the link.

How should I word this..
I don't think Russia will want to give up the control it has over Syria anytime soon, I find it funny that when people want to go on about propaganda and then quote RT news and fail to realize that the Kremlin is doing everything it can to keep Assad or at least a puppet government in power. He is a murderous scumbag who was using lethal force on his people before the people turned violent back at them, he needs to go.
That being said I don't think anyone wants violent sects and militias in charge of their nation, or a US backed dictator. It is a very complex situation.

I honestly have not seen viable option of peace yet. Maybe if all the key players could over see a balanced transition of power, with one watching the other. It might just turn out fair.

Originally posted by clintdelicious
reply to post by ThedeadeyesofCharlieSheen

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. Both sides indeed are acting terribly, shame that our governments are willing to turn a blind eye to murder and torture unless it's done by someone who they want rid off. This reminds me of Libya so much, I hope the Syrian people have peace, but it looks terrible for them atm. This whole thing is becoming depressingly common, De ja vu or what?!

You should check out a documentary called; Bahrain: Shouting in the dark. The Bahraini power structure invaded peaceful protests, killed civilans, tortured, kidnapped political leaders and doctors that were caught on tape helping injured protesters. There was not a peep from the west about those attrocities, I am horribly disgusted by the picking and choosing that goes on by the west and others in the Middle East.

I honestly don't know what to make of the Middle east and outside forces that try to control it, I know why the west would want Assad gone, because he is Russias puppet. I know why he should go, but if a west backed leader gets in and an uprising were to happen, we will not hear about it just as what happened in Bahrain.

My head is going numb just thinking about all the variables that come into play in these situations. I just hope the people can overcome all of this.

Originally posted by zroth
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

We'll have to agree to disagree.

For months the MSM has reported violence in "Syria" as a nation. They have not been region or city specific.

That's not true at all. The city of Homs has been mentioned many times as well as Taramseh and more I can't recall off the top of my head.

Nothing to do with biblical prophecies I'm afraid.

Originally posted by zroth
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

We'll have to agree to disagree.

For months the MSM has reported violence in "Syria" as a nation. They have not been region or city specific.

As the agenda moves towards pushing the WW3 act, on the world stage of the global theatre the MSM starts to use specific terminology from biblical prophecy.

Not true. Sure, the western media tends to generalize because their audience knows little about specific cities in Syria, but there have been many reports discussing activities in specific cities.

Just a few examples, from the past 6 months.

www.bbc.co.uk...

www.aljazeera.com...

ETA: looks like someone above me made the same point at the same time.

reply to post by stanguilles7


ok

reply to post by stanguilles7


Wow, someone who actually sees both sides of the coin. Excellent rebuttal!

This video shows men making use of wood, along with there feet, to beat and humiliate a man curled upon the floor.
Just a warning.ETA: i couldn't stomach the whole video so there could be worse in it
Can any translate this video?

So many people in the (western)population have such a romantic view of these rebels(if infact that is who this group was) that there fighting the good fight and trying to win there freedom and stop the arbitrary violence used to oppress the Syrian people(if those claims are true) So i wonder what they would think when they see this video? Would they change there mind a stop eating up everything being told to them by the MSN.

And how can the 'rebels' justify this type of treatment? How can they see this as being ok. All they are doing is
continuing the cycle. If this is the example to be set then all there doing will be in vein.

Originally posted by ezekielken
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

Wow, someone who actually sees both sides of the coin. Excellent rebuttal!

is that what it was?

all i saw was one poster chipping away and belittling another one
pretending to be above it all

remember, propaganda takes many forms

on topic:
i see a few here posting on this and related subjects
not learning the lessons of RECENT history

what happened after tito died?
fighting broke out on ethnic and religious lines
and yugoslavia broke apart

what happened after saddam was deposed and executed?
fighting broke out on ethnic and religious lines

qaddafi?

what do you think will happen when Assad is deposed and killed?
oh yes, killed, just you watch
if us/nato gets its way

all these "evil dictators" seem to have in common the
ability of keeping many diverse peoples united as nations

for all we know, assad might actually be a saint

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


It is not pretending to be 'above it all' to acknowled that we in the west must be equally discerning regarding info from either side' in this civil war.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

Sorry , wrong word. I'll try and do better next time. Thought it might have been the wrong word. My bad. Now I am not going to sleep well tonight. Damn, I hate reading my thesaaurus until I fall asleep.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

And point taken. I guess i should add something of relevance rather than being a cheerleader. Thanks.