Spain Revolts?

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by KaiserSoze

 

What does the pigs acronym stand for? Initially

Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain

Originally posted by petrus4
Until banking CEOs start literally getting thrown through the windows of their offices, people can march up and down the streets as much as they want, and nothing will change.

Psychopaths have no capacity for empathy or compassion. They don't care about you having the moral high ground by engaging in hunger strikes, or whatever else happens to be your favourite form of non-violent resistance. The only way to cause them to change their behaviour, is to cause them to fear for their own lives; because there is absolutely nothing that you can say or do, which will make them give a damn about yours.

edit on 13-7-2012 by petrus4 because: (no reason given)

Well said. The CEOs and bankers pulling the strings are savages who haven't the capacity for compassion. Unless they're forced to examine their actions and act like human beings, they'll keep on doing whatever they have to to keep their power. Although peaceful demonstration has its place, when dealing with savages one must communicate in a language that they understand.

I much prefer pacifism, however I am still a human being and must admit a certain fascination with the phyisical aspects of confrontation. Being a pacifist doesn't mean I've forgotten how to fight for my rights. I can speak their language. Like I said; they're savages. The only language they will understand and respond to is pure action. And I'd certainly support doing whatever is necessary in the spirit of "meaningful communication".

I see this so often on this forum, where people get so enraged over the problems going on in society but yet the majority of us do nothing about like a dog sitting on a nail.

One day a man was walking down the street on his way to work. As he walked down the street, there were dogs on just about every front porch and they all would bark as the man walk passed them. However, there was one dog that he remembered, because this dog was just sitting there and he was whimpering and whining and moaning, you know the little whimpering sounds dogs make when they are wounded or in some sort of pain. Well, this particular dog was just sitting there on the front porch making those sounds. The man was curious as to why this dog wasn’t barking like the other dogs and why he was whimpering. He couldn’t figure it out, so he just kept walking to work. The next day he was in the same situation where he was walking down the street and saw the dogs barking once again and this same dog that was moaning and groaning the other day was doing the same thing today and he just couldn’t figure it out. Well, he walked passed for an entire week and everyday the dog would be there moaning and groaning. So, finally the guy got fed up, he said, “let me find out what’s going on.” So he went and knocked on the door and a guy came out and said, “Yes, how may I help you?” He said, “Sir, is this your dog?” “Yes, that’s my dog.” “Well, what’s wrong with him?” The owner of the dog said, “What do you mean?” “Well, he’s been sitting here moaning and groaning, whimpering and whining for an entire week. The rest of the dogs are barking, your dog should be barking too, why is he moaning and groaning?” The owner said, “Well, he’s actually sitting on a nail.” And the guy said, ‘What! Your dog is sitting on a nail. Why doesn’t he get off?” “Well, it just doesn’t hurt him enough.”

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


People still don't get it. This is all going along EXACTLY as the the elites planed it to go. You think Rato is going to be in prison at all, or for long?... He is going to be whisked away once he plays his part, and will be living in some paradise place with billions of dollars to spend...

What will come from this is MORE REGULATION, and eventually an unification of most European countries into one nation. You will see some figures in government propose exactly what I mentioned and other thigs to consolidate more power "so that this never happens again", and the "Occupy" people are so stupid that they are falling for it.

You actually think that the world elites will give up their power at all?... No, instead to ask for LESS government control and MORE individual responsibility, what you people are demanding is MORE government controls...

It was this kind of control that has put the world in the crisis it is in, and what this people will accomplish is for the One World Government to become a reality...

For crying out loud, these people even had a marching band playing along, as well as other "entertainment"...

This didn't happen spontaneously, it was clearly organized... Note how they also blame the current popular movement government, when these problems were occurring when the socialist party was in power in Spain...

Oh and btw, let's see who this guy with glasses who is one of the main organizers is.

Olmo Gálvez

Anterior Participant Manager en EU-China Managers Exchange and Training Program
Trade Officer en Spanish Embassy -Economic and Commercial Office (Beijing)
Consultant en CapGemini


ver todo
Educación University of International Business and Economics
ICEX (Instituto de Comercio Exterior)
McGill University


Universidad Pontificia Comillas


CBS (Copenhagen Business School)


EU-China METP (Beijing). Master's in International Commerce (ICEX). Bachelor's Degree in International Business Administration by ICADE (Madrid), CBS (Copenhagen) and McGill (Montreal).

es.linkedin.com...

He is a business executive, oh and works for the Chinese in the Spanish Embassy... But of course he doesn't make a ton of money right?...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

You actually think that the world elites will give up their power at all?... No, instead to ask for LESS government control and MORE individual responsibility, what you people are demanding is MORE government controls...

This is just conservative mind control talking, I'm sorry.

There's no point in asking for more freedom from the government, if people are not going to engage in self-responsibility. I can assure you that they will not, even if governmental authority were to be removed entirely. Look at history. Human beings are sheep, for the most part. If they are not ruled by someone, they die. It might be a tragic reality, but it's the reality nonetheless.

When humanity demonstrates that it is truly ready to begin to self-manage, then I will be all for allowing it to do so; but not a second before.

It was this kind of control that has put the world in the crisis it is in

No, it isn't. You forget that economic deregulation hasn't happened overnight. It was begun under Reagan.

What has put the world in the current crisis, is the fact that the non-psychopathic 95% refuse to exercise their own sovereignty, so it ends up in the hands of the psychopathic 5% by default.

Before you demand universal freedom, spend some time studying human nature, and think about what you are asking for. The majority of human beings are absolutely desperate to be ruled by someone else. They would literally prefer to die than have to exercise their own initiative, intelligence, or self-responsibility. Just look at the threads we get here, on a daily basis; with all the government apologists making excuses for the TSA, and saying it's not that bad, or making apologies for the cops when they bash people, and that there's always "more to the story."

Your opinion of human nature is far too high.

reply to post by petrus4


Wow...so you would agree and would submit to a One World Government regulating every aspect of your life... Nice going...

I know the history of the world very well, and I know that people should be able to be free and choose to do what they want... Instead of being MANDATED by governments or anyone no matter how much they claim "is for the good of all"...

You don't stop government over spending, and injustices done by governments by giving them more power...

Originally posted by petrus4

No, it isn't. You forget that economic deregulation hasn't happened overnight. It was begun under Reagan.
...

Wrong, it started when PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS gave power over the economy of the U.S. to the rich banker elites known as the Feds in 1913... It was through the Feds that they implemented the U.S. Dollar and made it the world reserve currency, and this slowly allowed for the banker elites to take control over every nation...

They funded the IMF, the World Bank, and other world government groups to slowly but surely get close to their goal for a One World Government.

BTW, in case you didn't know Reagan was a lifelong liberal democrat... He changed parties in his 50s, so he was the first, or one of the first "neo-cons".

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by petrus4

 

Wow...so you would agree and would submit to a One World Government regulating every aspect of your life... Nice going...

I would not, no. I, however, also think for myself. Freedom carries with it responsibility; and it is that responsibility which most people are unwilling to exercise.

I know the history of the world very well, and I know that people should be able to be free and choose to do what they want... Instead of being MANDATED by governments or anyone no matter how much they claim "is for the good of all"...

Wonderful. When you've figured out solutions to the twin problems of the existence of the psychopaths, and virtually the entire rest of the human race being pathologically unwilling to self-manage, get back to me.

reply to post by petrus4


You have no idea how right you are... then again maybe you do.. Anyway Humans are cowardly pathetic sheep. we are easy to control with fear or desire. we are stupid and gullible. We may be compassionate and loving and all the gooie goodness but at the end of the day we are used and abused by corporations and banks like a jizz rag and left to die like all the left over junk food in our landfills. The people here dont seem to understand that a corporation is not a living breathing entity. It is comprised of living breathing entities but it itself is only an idea that is agreed upon why the majority. Its sole purpose is to exist and thrive. It feeds the little parasites that feed off its body and so the parasites do whatever it takes to make sure the corporation grows and thrives. Because a growing thriving corporation feeds the parasites like shareholders, CEO's, Execs and all the other ancillary organism that attach itself to the body of the corporation. The parasites know that as they themselves and their own little sub parasites like kids and grand kids grow the original parasites will need more resources in the form of money from the corporation. So they direct the corporation towards 3rd world countries where they can pray on the weak and feeble minded or the kind and forgiving using their weakness against them. The corporation doesnt care. Its primary goal is to devour consume and grow, that is its only DNA program. The parasites dont care because as long as their families are looked after their DNA is preserved and the competitors DNA is destroyed leaving them as a majority on the planet.

All you bleeding hearts need to wake and pull your heads out of your collective arses. You are less than feces to the elite, they despise and loathe you. They see you as a waste of resources and too stupid to realize you are being used. They see you as a farmer see's livestock, a means to an end. If there ever comes a time when your services are no longer needed you WILL be eradicated off the face of this planet faster than you can say "what the hell do you know". Believe me when I say with the advancement of cloning cybernetics robotics and AI our days are numbered. Short of a natural disaster resetting the advancement of technology given this rate of advancement we have 20 if we are lucky 30 years before we cease to be of use to them. You can stomp your feet and cry and deny this all you want but the bullet that blows your brain out wont care.Then again maybe they wont waste that many bullets they might just nuke us or release some viral agent while they wait it out in their underground bunkers. Whatever the case, time is ticking and i dont mean how long you have to vote for who you want to win dancing with the F$#@&^% stars.

EDIT: In case you didnt pick up on it this wasnt directed at you petrus4 but at the rest of the people who dont seem to grasp the severity of the situation.

reply to post by Dreamer99


This is true, but our protests don't hurt or even touch them. They don't care. They'll watch our protests on the flat screens of their private jets all day and not care one bit.
Maybe not violence, but they need SOME kind of fire under their butt, SOME kind of personal discomfort or inconvenience.
It is the services surrounding them that need to join these protests or whatever--refuse to cook, drive, fly, clean, guard deliver, report, or generally accept their money. They need utter and complete alienation. It needs to get personal.

That's because TPTB have given you the NFL, NHL, MLB, NBA, Nascar, PGA, Las Vegas, DisneyWorld and Land, Atlantic City, porno on every corner in major cities, etc. to keep you "occupied".

reply to post by TiM3LoRd


And this poster forgot a major one: the internet and more specifically forums such as this one where most of us feel that maybe we can somehow be armchair protesters. Or that reading and fuming about it is ON PAR with actually being out on the streets doing it. Or that OTHER people can afford to sacrifice their time, money, family and jobs to be out there, but we personally cannot possibly afford to do so.
My previous post in this forum is a prime example! Here I sit, saying that the drivers and cooks of these elites are the ones that have the power to send a message regardless of how high these drivers and cooks mortgages are or how many mouths they have to feed, but I personally have a young child, I personally am busy on a job hunt, need rent money...blahblahblah.
They have us so focused on surviving and entertaining ourselves that even if we wanted to do something we're not sure what it would be or how it would be feasible. Quite the trap they've set huh.

NWO is pushing it too hard...Spain will be where this stops.

I live in Romania, a country who had 3 major protests lead by miners.You do NOT mess up with them.While first 2 protests are know as being manipulated by those in power to have the miners beating the students, the third one was against the government for EXACTLY came issues as spain miners now : deep cuts in gov subventions.

In 1999, about 500 miners started a march toward the capital (about 300 km away).After 50 km, they were 30,000.The riot police tried to stop them first time at about 250 km away from the capital...they had their ass kicked.The second attempt was 220 km away from the capital...they got their ass kicked.The third attempt was in a small canyon area, where the police managed somehow to stop them.

It was clear that the miners will broke the third stoping attempt, and once they will reach the plains, they will be unstoppable.The president that time declares State of Emergency (just under State of war), all trains were stopped (in all the country, because metal workers wanted to go to the capital also), every road was blocked with TANKS and many army units were at the ready.

The whole mess was stoped after the government caved into miners requests.

To answer if the miners have acces to dynamite...yep, they do.



The thing is...Greece have 10 mil people and there is no way you can gather more than 1,000,000 to protest.Spain on the other hand, is a country of close to 50 million people, and lots of big cities, not like Greece, with 2 big cities.

Many do not know, but ONLY 400 miners are in Madrid, and they have NO dynamite or weapons.They told the gov to stop the cuts (which the gov won't ofc) otherwise they ALL will come to Madrid.I have no official data, but there are over 30,000 miners ready to got to Madrid.

The miners (my dad was a miner) are harshed people.They work UNDERGROUND, where DEATH is on every corner.The police THINK that they can stop any miners who are fighting for their RIGHT TO LIVE?
Those people are not afraid of DEATH, they are surely not affraid of some beating.


I beleive that Spain is the next Greece.However, Spain will be the starting point of the Global Revolution.Unless the TPTB won't start WW3...

Originally posted by AlienAgendah
Many tweets right now about the riots in Spain. Apparently miners and police clashed earlier in the day as well. People are revolting due to their govt debt crisis.

Of course you don't hear about it in the MSM.....we can't be having people getting ideas of revolution.

I found it on CNN.com. I'll see if I can find it again.

www.cnn.com...#/video/business/2012/07/11/goodman-spain-miners-protest.cnn

reply to post by eNaR


Yeah, sorry, was hammered when I read that

Originally posted by petrus4

I would not, no. I, however, also think for myself. Freedom carries with it responsibility; and it is that responsibility which most people are unwilling to exercise.

Freedom will ALWAYS carry responsibilities with it.

Originally posted by petrus4
Wonderful. When you've figured out solutions to the twin problems of the existence of the psychopaths, and virtually the entire rest of the human race being pathologically unwilling to self-manage, get back to me.

Where there is a large group of people living together there will ALWAYS be leaders to exercise laws, maintain some order, as well for the society to function as smoothly as possible, and for some form of harmony to exist between the people living in that society.

IMO the best way in a society where people can live without having the government trample any individual right, as long as people don't trample other people's rights, and for governments to work for the people is to get back to having SMALL government. Just like the founding fathers set up the Republic of the U.S. originally.

Giving the power to state governments, instead of the Federal government, and having the state governments not get involved in every aspect of people's lives will ensure liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of the people. Getting back to the gold and silver standard, getting rid of the Federal Reserve and not having a central bank at all. Erasing the laws that make corporations equal to people, plus getting rid of most progressive taxes and just having a flat tax, plus giving more incentives to corporations that keep jobs in the U.S., and penalizing those corporations taking jobs over seas will be a good start to having a government that more closely represents the people instead of corporations and monopolies.

We also have to stop giving away billions of dollars annually to other governments in aid, at a time when we have lost millions of jobs, and Americans are having a tough time.

But of course, I don't have all the answers either.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by petrus4
IMO the best way in a society where people can live without having the government trample any individual right, as long as people don't trample other people's rights, and for governments to work for the people is to get back to having SMALL government. Just like the founding fathers set up the Republic of the U.S. originally.

To an extent I agree with this; but I also support the Sherman Act, and I would also truthfully like to see the corporation as a very concept, removed from human memory.

So you could say I'm a little conflicted.

reply to post by Wide-Eyes


Hi there, I live in Spain and yes it is true...but most is happening in Madrid. Here is a link:

exiledonline.com...

There is a media black out taking place and most of us are trying to get photos into mainstream through facebook.