Blasphemy... more then you think it is...

This is a theory i've been tinkering with involving the laws of Karma or Cause and effect.

Wikipedia defines Blasphemy the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for a religious deity or the irreverence towards religious or holy persons or things.

IF we are more then just flesh... and each of us has a part of the divine within us. Then blasphemy is more then what is thought of in the traditional sence.

Many people believe saying "God damn" is blasphemy... when that is more of a vain request.

Blasphemy can be defined as an assult on something divine or holy... so logically words and actions that cause harm to another person is blasphemy...

Words are felt not just heard... they can inflict great harm to a person depending on the relationship.

Physical violence is also blasphemy... it is inflicted harm to another vessel of the spirit...

This is why Blasphemy is the "unforgiveable sin"... It is an assult against "the spirit"

Karma dictates that any harm caused to another will be returned to you... And even Jesus said "all manner of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven... BUT... an assult against "the spirit" is not forgiven...

And i will urge the reader to notice something about this passage....

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Some sins can not be resolved within one lifetime...

An assult on the spirit which destroys the body is not forgiven in this life...

I believe said person will recieve exactly what he/she gave in the next incarnation.

Please feel free to offer your thoughts on the matter

As you are speaking about a sin specifically to Christianity.

I will answer for what I have been taught.

Blasphemy is a lack of reverence for God, and in this case it is the holy spirit which is the active force of conviction according to some.

That which causes man to come to repentance in the first place is the holy spirit, So blasphemy of that spirit is lack of Reverence and failure to heed the call to repentance.

You can not be forgive for that which you didn't ask for.

So that is way it is unforgivable, because with out Reverence for that call youll never answer it and be forgiven.

and as your quoting Jesus, he very clearly separates the sins.

Mathew 5:22
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. "

You can pick and choose his words to interpret, but to get the whole picture you need to take all his words into account, not just the ones that match your theory.

I can look at someone in anger, it is as bad to Jesus as murder, but I can heed the call to repentance and still be forgiven, even of murder.

It is the not heeding the call of the spirit that is the blasphemy.

Again, this is if your talking Christianity.

reply to post by benrl


Actually i wasn't being specific to any religion... Have you ever heard of Karma in Christianity?

Im speaking to anyone who will listen... their religion doesn't matter when it comes to the laws that govern man kind

Christianity does not teach Karma, it teaches forgiveness, not universal punishment based on merit.

In Christianity forgiveness is given to all, not on THEIR merit, but on Gods Forgiveness.

You can't pull from the Bible to prop up your theory, if your going to use Jesus words for support you have to consider all of them.

reply to post by benrl

You can't pull from the Bible to prop up your theory, if your going to use Jesus words for support you have to consider all of them.

Oh but i can!

Apparently you don't know me...

Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Luke 6:38
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

I know his words my friend... all of them

Considering the world is such a #hole with more then what 80% starving and living close to no roof... id say blasphemy are a manmade thing... We are what we are... I agree we should play nice....
But when # keeps hitting you, you gotta hit back sometimes.
So that means im damned to hell?...
This is the human experience... Were here to invent and discover, explore and wonder.
Needless to say that would be way easyer if TPTB didnt control the currency of wich we make life.

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But when # keeps hitting you, you gotta hit back sometimes.

I struggle with this myself bro...

but ask yourself... does revenge make you feel better or worse afterwords?

The pleasure that comes from revenge is temporary... but in the end it leaves hate within the heart...

reply to post by Johnkie

Considering the world is such a #hole with more then what 80% starving and living close to no roof... id say blasphemy are a manmade thing... We are what we are... I agree we should play nice.... But when # keeps hitting you, you gotta hit back sometimes.

Father has given all the resources for man to be able to be successful. You see some make it, some don't. It is lack of will from many, in which why many don't become successful.

So that means im damned to hell?...

Not at all.

reply to post by Akragon


Exactly, all of the laws of Christianity and Judiasim come down to one thing and one thing only.

Treat people how you would be treated.

Thats all people need to do to follow Christianity

Simple as that, no complexity, no twisting of words thats it.

You imply that even harming a person leads to a cycle of repentance that is doled out by the universe over generations.

Thats contradictory to the source material you are trying to sight, it implies that your "good" works can undo your sin, that HUMAN effort can lead to forgiveness.

And the source material you are trying to twist doesn't say that, it says accept forgiveness as the free gift it is, and its yours.

Christianity says that from the best of us to the worst, we are all equal in our fallen state, no effort of our own can change that.

We must be humble and accept the help freely offered by our creator.

reply to post by benrl

Thats contradictory to the source material you are trying to sight, it implies that your "good" works can undo your sin, that HUMAN effort can lead to forgiveness.

Could this be the way Jesus judges at the end? What about the ones that haven't made that choice to accept him? Could they not be judged by their good works and bad, and if they good outweighs the bad, they are forgiven? There is no one answer to all questions. It is still a different answer for say a believer against one who has not made that choice as of yet.

See this is the problem as I see it in general with the world and society today.

We are all so freely given the knowledge because of the internet, that we Disdain people who actually have gone and done the study.

People that have spent their lives studying and going over scripture, or Science, I am sure there are members here who can agree the sheer number of amature scientist hear on ATS could not figure out half the stuff they claim to know here.

We all have such high opinions of our understanding of the world we scorn what has come before, people go to theology schools, and Seminaries for a reason.

Just as Astronomers do, amateur astronomers are great, but their is a reason their are professionals.

Feel free to interpret all the holy scriptures you want any way you feel, that is fine with me.

Just remember people have studied these things far longer than any of us here on ATS have, and Christianity does not advocate Karma.

Just as the fact there is theories of an existence of Planet X by no means means Nibiru is out there.

And so I humbly give my opinion from what I have been taught about scripture and my own studied, which is what you asked for in the first place.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by benrl

 

Actually i wasn't being specific to any religion... Have you ever heard of Karma in Christianity?

Im speaking to anyone who will listen... their religion doesn't matter when it comes to the laws that govern man kind

When someone hurts someone, the offender could very well get it back because someone that is hurtful doesn't usually stop at one. They hurt many, and in-so-doing, let's say when a job opportunity arises, one of this person's victims may just be the person in charge of hiring. I think if we live long enough, we get back what we gave.

reply to post by benrl

Exactly, all of the laws of Christianity and Judiasim come down to one thing and one thing only.

Treat people how you would be treated.

Thats all people need to do to follow Christianity

Simple as that, no complexity, no twisting of words thats it..

This isn't about Christianity... but it does involve their book. I only use it because most can relate in some way...

Would you prefer i use another source? Gnostic writing, or hindu perhaps?

You imply that even harming a person leads to a cycle of repentance that is doled out by the universe over generations.

Not necessarily... most Karma is resolved within this life...

Thats contradictory to the source material you are trying to sight, it implies that your "good" works can undo your sin, that HUMAN effort can lead to forgiveness.

I said nothing of the sort... you get what you give...

And the source material you are trying to twist doesn't say that, it says accept forgiveness as the free gift it is, and its yours.

Actually it says forgive and you will be forgiven... but if you do not forgive... you will not be forgiven

Don't you know the prayer? Im not even Christian and i know this...

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Christianity says that from the best of us to the worst, we are all equal in our fallen state, no effort of our own can change that.

Did he say to keep sinning or to turn from it?

reply to post by jhill76

Could this be the way Jesus judges at the end? What about the ones that haven't made that choice to accept him? Could they not be judged by their good works and bad, and if they good outweighs the bad, they are forgiven? There is no one answer to all questions. It is still a different answer for say a believer against one who has not made that choice as of yet.

I can only tell you my understanding of Christianities take on this.

Any work you have done, anything for any purpose that is not altruistic is complete filth in Gods eyes. Karma imply you are doing good work so that you will not be punished, and that is not how it works in Christianity.

In Christianity the works OR fruit are supposed to come from an abundance of gratefulness for the gift you where given freely, NOT to earn the gift in the first place.

In Christianity it is supposed to be God trying to help us, WE chose to forsake that help, that is what leads to the state of the world as it is and what ever punishment that is to come.

Even a Christian who works are for any other purpose will be ashamed on judgement day, as it says, There works will be destroyed, but they will be saved but ashamed of their actions.

reply to post by benrl

Any work you have done, anything for any purpose that is not altruistic is complete filth in Gods eyes.

That is Paulianity my friend... Not Christianity...

reply to post by Akragon

This isn't about Christianity

Fine, than remove the words of Christ from your thread.

I wouldn't start a thread about what the Koran speaks, and than tell Muslims to GTFO of my thread... I would welcome the input of someone that takes the Koran seriously, and who lives by it and welcome their view point of the scripture I tried to use to prove my own point...

Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by Akragon

 

This isn't about Christianity

Fine, than remove the words of Christ from your thread.

I wouldn't start a thread about what the Koran speaks, and than tell Muslims to GTFO of my thread... I would welcome the input of someone that takes the Koran seriously, and who lives by it and welcome their view point of the scripture I tried to use to prove my own point...

Whaat?!?!

Who did i eject from this thread?

And since when does Christianity hold all the rights to his words...

Me thinks you best check yourself



I don't see any scripture posted either bro... just your own words...

Redacted. Nevermind.

reply to post by Klassified


Speak your mind my friend...

Star for the bump

reply to post by Akragon

That is Paulianity my friend... Not Christianity...

I think he was the original Christian in the modern sense of the word.
I think the Gospels were made to give some back-story to Paul's gospel.
That's just my opinion.
That does not mean the Gospel writers used Paul as the main source, but used current writings and excerpted parts that fit with Paul's theology and Christology.