The Bright and Morning Star "Mary" Queen of Heaven and husband Allah

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
I thought I might throw this in here.

Sinai looks like nothing so much as the surface of the moon. So the theory says that the name Sinai derived from the lunar deity Sin. Early inhabitants, worshipping the Trinity: Sin (Moon), Shamash (Sun) and Ishtar (Venus) named the peninsular after the moon-god Sin.

www.sinai4you.com...

You need to understand that satan counterfeits the real, or perverts the real. He has no capacity to create anything himself.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


yes, but consider this.

Baptism in the early Church, as discussed by Paul in his letters, was done only in the name of Jesus; and
The "Great Commission" found in the first gospel written, that of Mark, bears no mention of Father, Son and/or Holy Ghost.

ps.

I agree with you that all evil is a perversion of good.

EDIT:ADD

The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle of I John 5:7, Biblical scholars of today, however, have admitted that the phrase "...there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" is definitely a "later addition" to Biblical test, and it is not found in any of today's versions of the Bible.

www.islamicweb.com...

Alberto Rivera was a fraud and he never was a priest.
www.e-n.org.uk...

In 1967 he returned to Spain where he was employed in a Christian school and again dismissed. He then secured work with children in a Catholic parish. It was in this era that he had his photograph taken in priest's clothes on an identity card, and also obtained a certificate from the Archbishop of Madrid 'confirming' his status as a Catholic priest, which he was not.

Rivera was exposed a fraud in Christianity Today (March 13 1981) and in the Journal of Pastoral Practice the same year. He was exposed again in Forward (the magazine of the Christian Research Institute, USA) in 1983. Other exposures followed in Australia and South Africa - but some Canadian Protestants still believed in him. Roy Livesey, the British publisher of New Age Bulletin (to whom I am indebted for information) wrote a book, as yet unpublished, documenting the fraud.

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

then how come the word trinity does not appear in scripture? In fact the concept is entirely pagan. Jesus never said anything about it,.....he said God is ONE and true God.

I missed the first part if your sentence. Because "trinity" is an English theological term to describe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit carried over from the Latin. The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The similar term derived from the Greek would be "Godhead" and from the Hebrew would be "Elohim". Elohim is a plural noun. You make things plural in Hebrew by adding an "im" or "yim" ending to the noun. Examples would be like cerub/cherubim or seraph/seraphim. In Aramaic and Hebrew "El" is a generic title meaning "god". Elohim is rouhly "Gods". When used in the OT it's technically a grammatical error. It's a plural noun always used is a singular context. A comparable usage to give an example would be this in English:

"Today i want to the Ford dealer and bought me one brand new red trucks."

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Great thread, Yeshua. S&F! I am glad I could see the pics (on my other computer I couldn't). I think you successfully proved there is a BIG link at the core of religions.

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Whoops! I didn't know you were on the the thread too. Hi there. What do you think about the OP?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by anonomorphic
Mr. Lone Wolf, What religion do you subscribe to? What is your label?

What i am is not relevant, this thread is about Mystery Babylon and me unveiling the "Mystery" of the sungoddess and moongod.

Its relevance couldn't be more important, Your arguing this to be truth, so why not be open and truthful?

Originally posted by InhaleExhale

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by anonomorphic
Mr. Lone Wolf, What religion do you subscribe to? What is your label?

What i am is not relevant, this thread is about Mystery Babylon and me unveiling the "Mystery" of the sungoddess and moongod.

Its relevance couldn't be more important, Your arguing this to be truth, so why not be open and truthful?

Why are you so eager to see one's personal beliefs? If Lone Wolf doesn't want to discuss that part, why do you insist? Geez, do you want to know his security number, while you are at it?

Originally posted by InhaleExhale

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by anonomorphic
Mr. Lone Wolf, What religion do you subscribe to? What is your label?

What i am is not relevant, this thread is about Mystery Babylon and me unveiling the "Mystery" of the sungoddess and moongod.

Its relevance couldn't be more important, Your arguing this to be truth, so why not be open and truthful?

With all due respect, the only folks worrying about what his particular religion is are folks preparing to make a circumstantial ad hom argument.

Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by queenofangels_17

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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You see what you want to see, lonewolf and I pity you because you chose to hold on to lies instead of truth, if you have researched for the Truth you would have found it, if the Truth is truly what you seek.

I see the truth and I understand it and i have found it. It is you who refuses to see the truth and in your blindness you accuse me of being blind. You should save your pity for yourself because Mystery Babylon has you in her fist and you can't even see the monster holding onto you.

Mystery Babylon is not and will never be Islam.

Islam is the community of enlightened people. We believe in the One God and have passed from darkness to light.

Jesus answered: `It is just that he who will not believe in the truth to his salvation should believe in a lie to his damnation. Wherefore I say unto you, that the world hath ever despise the true prophets and loved the false, as can be seen in the time of Michaiah and Jeremiah. For every like loveth his like.'

If they are enlightened, why scream allah ackbar and blow up innocent people? I know not all muslims do this, but why isn't it condemned?
I think jihad has been misinterpreted by alot of islams followers

The killing of innocence is always condemned, It goes against the teaching of Islam.

A more correct statement would be that Jihad has been misinterpreted by a lot of people in general.

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Thank you for the clarification. I do not agree with you though in that the loss of the trinity is one of translation from Greek. The fact is not even the Greek word was used. This controversy was what caused the Nicean council to be formed. Even early scholars saw the inclusion as an addition rather than a definition of God.

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Thank you for the clarification. I do not agree with you though in that the loss of the trinity is one of translation from Greek. The fact is not even the Greek word was used. This controversy was what caused the Nicean council to be formed. Even early scholars saw the inclusion as an addition rather than a definition of God.

Be more specific.. "liberal scholars". Not conservative ones. People at the Jesus Seminar or like Bart Ehrman. Not to get too far of track here but do you realize there are two "veins" of manuscripts? The Antioch/Byzantine text and the Alexandrian texts? A nugget.. look at the works of Irenaeus in the 2nd century about the Gnostics mutilating the scriptures at Alexandria. Marcion and his followers specifically. And then ask yourself this question. Why do 4th century manuscripts have verses and entire half chapters missing from their manuscripts that men have quoted in their 2nd century commentaries? No, those verses were never added later by a well intentioned scribe.. they were expurgated from the text by Gnostic Christians at Alexandria because they didn't align with their dogmas. These liberal scholars, Jesus Seminar folk specifically are huge fans of the Gnostics.

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Thank you for the clarification. I do not agree with you though in that the loss of the trinity is one of translation from Greek. The fact is not even the Greek word was used. This controversy was what caused the Nicean council to be formed. Even early scholars saw the inclusion as an addition rather than a definition of God.

Re-read what I said friend. It's not a loss from the Greek. I said "Trinity" is a Latin term and the Bible wasn't penned in Latin.

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Great thread, Yeshua. S&F! I am glad I could see the pics (on my other computer I couldn't). I think you successfully proved there is a BIG link at the core of religions.

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Whoops! I didn't know you were on the the thread too. Hi there. What do you think about the OP?

edit on 16-7-2012 by swan001 because: (no reason given)

Hey bro! I have weighed in. I believe about page 2 or 3 somewhere. How are things up north?

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Using the quran to prove the quran is not a valid argument, sorry.

You say that god created man only for man to worship him? That seems a bit selfish don't you think? Why would an omnipotent, benevolent, and infallible god even require our worship? If he doesn't require it and forces it on us with penalty being us suffering for eternity, that seems to me like a cruel dictator, not a loving god. God would have no need for our worship if he indeed does exist.

edit on 14-7-2012 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)

That is the Truth even if you hate it. God created man to Glorify Him, worship Him and Praise Him. You think that God is selfish because out of all the good things He has given man, He requires that man should worship Him in return? Rather, is it not you who is being selfish, taking God's gifts every second of your existence and returning nothing and even blaspheming Him?

Suffering for eternity or being condemned to Hell because you didn't worship your God as He should be worshipped does not mean that God is cruel and a dictator, rather it does show that God is just. Goodness is rewarded by God with goodness and evil is rewarded the same, but God being Merciful has given the evildoers time to repent until the Day of Judgment, and to do good and be saved.

Isn't it human nature to give thanks when receiving something from someone for free? If you count the blessings of God in your life you will never be able to repay it. The air you breath, your health, the food you eat, your family and everything that gives you comfort is a gift from God and He can take it anytime. Think about it.

14:8 And Moses said: Though ye and all who are in the earth prove thankless, lo! Allah verily is Absolute, Owner of Praise.

28:58 And how many a community have We destroyed that was thankless for its means of livelihood! And yonder are their dwellings, which have not been inhabited after them save a little. And We, even We, were the inheritors

To make the context clearer ...

51:56 I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me.

51:57 I seek no livelihood from them, nor do I ask that they should feed Me

51:58 Lo! Allah! He it is that giveth livelihood, the Lord of unbreakable might.

51:59 And lo! for those who (now) do wrong there is an evil day like unto the evil day which came for their likes of old; so let them not ask Me to hasten on (that day).

51:60 And woe unto those who disbelieve, from (that) their day which they are promised.


God would have no need for our worship if he indeed does exist. -- your word

So tell me then, why do you think God created you?

As for me and those with me..

6:162 Say: Lo! my worship and, my sacrifice and my living and my dying are for Allah, Lord of the Worlds.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Again thank you for your clarification. I do not know if they are liberal or not, I do know that of the 300 bishops invited to Nicea, only a handful thought the addition to be questionable.

I also cannot get past the fact that the Scriptures tell us that there is but ONE God. Not a God of three parts, not three Gods, not two Gods. NOWHERE does it state there is a Trinity.

In fact I only found references to trinities of pagan religions like that of Egypt and Samaria and Babylon.
Even if the two roots of scripture were revised following their dogma.....why the missing link?
There is no trio god except in the newborn church....Not even a word from Jesus on it.....WHY?

IF I have missed the portion of scripture where Jesus spoke about the trinity please provide it if you may...I am really curious...I am currently reforming my thoughts on my faith to match the things I have learned in recent years and would like further clarification if you or anyone else can provide it.

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North was stormy, didn't sleep alot.
Gonna check page 2-3 now. See ya.

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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Not saying that at all... research who is in her family tree.

Ah crap now i remember, i read something on her a few days ago, she's a decendant of Muhammad.

Is that so? That surprises me. Alot! Any sources so I can add it to my database?

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Look at my profile at the comments section, take out a Bible and look at the text and answer the questions. Also look at my sig at the link about Jesus being God in the flesh. Dont Google a website, look at the text itself. And use the Byzantine text, (Kjv/NKJV), do NOT use a modern translation from the Westcott and Hort Greek.

Originally posted by swan001
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Not saying that at all... research who is in her family tree.

Ah crap now i remember, i read something on her a few days ago, she's a decendant of Muhammad.

Is that so? That surprises me. Alot! Any sources so I can add it to my database?

Fatimah on Wiki. She was his daughter.

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

North was stormy, didn't sleep alot.
Gonna check page 2-3 now. See ya.

Hopefully you're getting rain, big drought here. All the grass is dead.