In the days of Jared, the legacy of the atlanteans and their origin.

reply to post by michaelbrux


So, saying this, I take you are suggesting Cain found a wife in Nod, who was his sister?

I don't get it frankly. There is nothing "Biblically Speaking" that supports such an assertion.

Cain could have had any woman he wished. What need is there to dally in Incestuousness , when it is a mute point to begin with.

Ciao

Shane

reply to post by Shane


it seem you are trying to understand a book that is speaking spiritually by physical terms.

Cains wife was Luluwa, from what I read....I think she was from far east Asia. She was intended for Abel, as was the Inheritance...Cain coveted these things, murdered his brother and moved away with the loot and the girl.

Seth took Aklia, who was intended for Cain but whom he rejected...

Sure, there were plenty of people on earth...but that doesn't mean the vast majority of them are suitable for rulership.

from some points of view, marrying and having sex with someone that is from your own country is incestuous...don't be so judgmental. Luluwa and Aklia were Caina and Abel's spiritual sisters..not physical.

reply to post by Shane


My understanding is that Lucifer (Samael) is one of the Elohim (gods) whilst Azazel is one of the Bĕnĕ hā' ĕlōhim (sons of God) otherwise translated as angels.

reply to post by michaelbrux



The descendents of Cain were not wiped out by the flood, Tubal-Cain was a descendent of Cain and he had two sons Japhet and Ham. Nimrod who built the tower was Hams grandson!

"The Masonic Quiz Book", the question is asked, "Who was Nimrod", the answer is, "He was the son of Cush. In the old Constitutions referred to as one of the Founders of Freemasonry, and in the Scriptures as the architect of many cities." - William Adrian Brown, Facts, Fables and Fantasies of Freemasonry, Page 169

As for the hybrids some of those may have survived also:

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Gen 6:4

reply to post by michaelbrux


Ah, Clarity.

I still have difficulty with this, but I am happy to see that you where not going down the Incest Path, that many opt to suggest.

As for the manner in which Cain "obtained" a wife, I think that is not a concern which needs to be augmentative.

I do believe She was of another peoples, which resided East of Adam and Eve, who lived East of Edin, I mean Eden.

I make this choice, based on the aspect that Adam alone, was unique, and unlike the Races, which only denotes he was yet another race of Man. It is not an indication he was superior outside of the skill set He and his Bloodline brought to Mankind in General. That namely being Farming.

That was after all why Eve was created. There was no one like Adam.

Have a Good Day

Ciao

Shane

reply to post by LUXUS


SO, I understand your position a bit better.

Much like with our other friend, I am not in agreement in respects to your view, but you are entitled to believe as you wish.

I believe there is ONLY one GOD. The Mythic Tales of most "Cultures" do have "gods and goddesses", but ultimately within the story line of we find a rift that has occured, between these "gods and goddesses", and their Father.

The same events, which is spoken of within Scripture.

With that said, I understood, that we, as human's, opted to choose, (if we really had a choice at the Time) and label those who came to earth, and took the daughters of man, as gods. They where not, of course, but they acted as gods, and who would stand at the time to clarify this to anyone, when faced with an "alien" entity with abilities that surpass Mankind's abilities.

But to me, ALL of these gods and goddesses, are from the area of being "Sons of God".

As for Lucifer, The Light Bringer at best, is a Son of God, and some could argue the point that it only has application as an adjective apposed to a title. (In humble My opinion!) This maybe why I tend to stay away from the use of "Lucifer" in commenting in topics. He/it tends to be a distraction.

Anyways, Much like our friend we have spoken with, these queries between ourselves have nothing within them to distract from the Topic of the Thread. I completely agree with you in respects to this, and I have some 15 or 20 Threads that could be presented should conversation "wander" into those areas, but I'll leave that for a time when those points should be considered.

Have a good day LUXUS

Ciao

Shane

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Personally I don't know for sure what these "elohim" were. They are one of three possibility. 1 they evolved here on Earth but were always superior to humans. 2 they are inter-dimensional beings and come from another dimension/realm, 3 They come from our dimension but from another planet somewhere out there.

Sanskrit text I have read suggests that option 2 is the correct answer.

As to the creator of the universe there is only one (notice I use the word creator and not GOD) These entity's however fathered the race the ancient Greeks called the Titans but the bible calls the sons of god.

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by michaelbrux

 

The descendents of Cain were not wiped out by the flood, Tubal-Cain was a descendent of Cain and he had two sons Japhet and Ham. Nimrod who built the tower was Hams grandson!

"The Masonic Quiz Book", the question is asked, "Who was Nimrod", the answer is, "He was the son of Cush. In the old Constitutions referred to as one of the Founders of Freemasonry, and in the Scriptures as the architect of many cities." - William Adrian Brown, Facts, Fables and Fantasies of Freemasonry, Page 169

As for the hybrids some of those may have survived also:

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Gen 6:4

edit on 12-7-2012 by LUXUS because: (no reason given)

Cain is a woman with a mans body. thus, only his daughters, his feminine aspect, survived the flood and went on to become the wives and concubines of Noah's Sons...who are the direct male line to Adam.

another way you can identify the Cain type people is that their men trace lineage to Adam through their mothers.

according to the version of the story i read, Japeth, Ham and Shem are Noah's Sons...their wives were from Cain so any offspring tracing themselves to Cain does so through his mom's side of the family. in either case, whether i am correct of you; Japeth and Ham are girls; thus Tubal-Cain is a girl, one light skinned, one dark...and only Shem is a dude...that's why he got the inheritance of Noah...and it's Hams sons that started tripping and coveting peoples things all day and all night.

sort of like Jesus tracing himself to David through Mary...

someone tried to toy with the genealogy, but they didn't fool me...i see what's going on...

that's why some also tell the lie that Jesus and Michael are the same person because they attempt to cover up the line of true and natural born kings which are direct males all the way back to oblivion.

reply to post by michaelbrux


Lets put it this way, there are gods, there are humans and there are demigods (god/human hybrids). All that royalty is or ever was is a group of people who trace their genealogy back to a demigod. That is what it means to have "royal blood". The ancient Greeks and other cultures did not hide this fact but today it is not common knowledge to most.

In Greek mythology, the Heracleidae (Ancient Greek: Ἡρακλεῖδαι) or Heraclids were the numerous descendants of Heracles (Hercules), especially applied in a narrower sense to the descendants of Hyllus, the eldest of his four sons by Deianira (Hyllus was also sometimes thought of as Heracles' son by Melite (naiad).) Other Heracleidae included Macaria, Lamos, Manto, Bianor, Tlepolemus, and Telephus. These Heraclids were a group of Dorian kings who conquered the Peloponnesian kingdoms of Mycenae, Sparta and Argos; according to the literary tradition in Greek mythology, they claimed a right to rule through their ancestor.

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Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by michaelbrux

 

Lets put it this way, there are gods, there are humans and there are demigods (god/human hybrids). All that royalty is or ever was is a group of people who trace their genealogy back to a demigod. That is what it means to have "royal blood". The ancient Greeks and other cultures did not hide this fact but today it is not common knowledge to most.

In Greek mythology, the Heracleidae (Ancient Greek: Ἡρακλεῖδαι) or Heraclids were the numerous descendants of Heracles (Hercules), especially applied in a narrower sense to the descendants of Hyllus, the eldest of his four sons by Deianira (Hyllus was also sometimes thought of as Heracles' son by Melite (naiad).) Other Heracleidae included Macaria, Lamos, Manto, Bianor, Tlepolemus, and Telephus. These Heraclids were a group of Dorian kings who conquered the Peloponnesian kingdoms of Mycenae, Sparta and Argos; according to the literary tradition in Greek mythology, they claimed a right to rule through their ancestor.

en.wikipedia.org...

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By Hercules do you mean like the guy in the photo above wearing a Lion's Skin upon his head in a manner similar to how Judah is wearing a Lion's Skin upon his head in the photo selection below?

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I like it how Hercules is carrying his ONLY son, who will probably sport a Lion's Skin when he grows up.

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Solon was an Athenian and the goddess that was their patron was Athena, so according to Plato the goddess Athena was responsible for founding both the Egyptian and Athenian civilization...hmmm interesting. I wonder if Athena has any connection with the goddess Danu in other cultures?

Semiremis used the story of Naamah (Naamah lived through the flood as Ham's wife) as the means of maintaining control over the young civilization at Babel after the death of Cush (Ham's son; therefore Naamah was in fact Semiremis' mother in law). Semiremis fashoined herslf as Naamah (Easter/Isis/Athena/Freya) and Nimrod fashoined himself after Tubalcain (Tammutz/Osiris/Apollo/Thor). The names of the gods in different mythologies is simpoly the new names given on the newly created languages at the destruction of the Tower of Babel (each language called these figures by a new name), then over the years the mythos altered slightly into the stories we know today.

Although I do not agree with your understanding of Eden (not important to this OP), I 100% agree with your understanding that the biblical account of the flood is the same story of the destruction of Atlantis in mythology. Your research supports it and it is in agreement with my research as well.

God Bless,

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by michaelbrux

 

The descendents of Cain were not wiped out by the flood, Tubal-Cain was a descendent of Cain and he had two sons Japhet and Ham. Nimrod who built the tower was Hams grandson!

"The Masonic Quiz Book", the question is asked, "Who was Nimrod", the answer is, "He was the son of Cush. In the old Constitutions referred to as one of the Founders of Freemasonry, and in the Scriptures as the architect of many cities." - William Adrian Brown, Facts, Fables and Fantasies of Freemasonry, Page 169

As for the hybrids some of those may have survived also:

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Gen 6:4

edit on 12-7-2012 by LUXUS because: (no reason given)

2 different Ham's but you are still correct.

Ham, son of Tubalcain; was killed in the flood.

But Naamah (Tublecain's sister) was married to Ham, son of Noah (the one who was Nimrod's grandfather). The line did survive the flood through Naamah.

God Bless,

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by Shane

 

Personally I don't know for sure what these "elohim" were. They are one of three possibility. 1 they evolved here on Earth but were always superior to humans. 2 they are inter-dimensional beings and come from another dimension/realm, 3 They come from our dimension but from another planet somewhere out there.

Sanskrit text I have read suggests that option 2 is the correct answer.

As to the creator of the universe there is only one (notice I use the word creator and not GOD) These entity's however fathered the race the ancient Greeks called the Titans but the bible calls the sons of god.

Elohim is the name of the God family (God + His children). In Genesis the term is used as a plural progressive tense word. It is akin to the name "Smith". Mr. Smith is a Smith, so is Mrs. Smith, and Jr. Smith. They are all Smith.

Same holds true for Elohim. God Almighty is Yahwey Elohim, Jesus Christ as the first of the firstfruits of salvation is now also called Jesus Christ Elohim as a spiritually born child of God. All mankind was created for the purpose of beoming Elohim in God's timing.

The phrase was used to explain a spiritual understanding of the purpose of creation and the plan of God.

"Let Elohim (all Smith's) create mankind into the image (way of thinking) of Elohim (the Smith's)."

God Bless,

Not to be too harsh but basically your idea is that an imaginary flood destroyed a fictional empire?

May I suggest you throw Meropis into the stew also

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you think Cyrus the Great is fictional?

please expand on this thought.

thank you in advance.

reply to post by michaelbrux


"Atlantis", the thread

reply to post by Hanslune


oh...i thought we were talking about ancient Turkey for some reason.

all these different names are so confusing...people calling Hercules Judah, and Judah Cyrus and Tyrrhenia Atlantis and Rome, Carthage...its just nuts.

Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by Hanslune

 

oh...i thought we were talking about ancient Turkey for some reason.

all these different names are so confusing...people calling Hercules Judah, and Judah Cyrus and Tyrrhenia Atlantis and Rome, Carthage...its just nuts.

Sorry I was making a general comment and it wasn't directed at your specific comments.

Well yeah, lots of names, if you truly want to go mad over names, try reading early Chinese history.....

Originally posted by michaelbrux

upload.wikimedia.org...

By Hercules do you mean like the guy in the photo above wearing a Lion's Skin upon his head in a manner similar to how Judah is wearing a Lion's Skin upon his head in the photo selection below?

upload.wikimedia.org...

I like it how Hercules is carrying his ONLY son, who will probably sport a Lion's Skin when he grows up.

edit on 12-7-2012 by michaelbrux because: (no reason given)

Sorry do not understand at what your getting at here, ie with the lion skin etc....my point is just to show you that is what the true meaning of royal blood is...a descendent of a demigod!

Originally posted by ElohimJD

2 different Ham's but you are still correct.

Ham, son of Tubalcain; was killed in the flood.

But Naamah (Tublecain's sister) was married to Ham, son of Noah (the one who was Nimrod's grandfather). The line did survive the flood through Naamah.

God Bless,

I dont think Ham was married to tublecains sister

"Then the two angels decided to select brides for themselves from among the daughters of men. Azazel desired Na'amah, the sister of Tubal-Cain, the most beautiful woman on earth."