Obama Administration to sign U.N. Arms Trade Treaty that will BAN GUNS IN THE U.S

Ahh so the plan is to take the guns away. Guns are the least of our worries while there are bio/chem weapons still out there.

How about we do away with the BIG BOMBS first, or maybe outlaw nuclear weapons. This idea that taking guns away from people is going to make the world a safer place is assinine. It would only serve to strengthen oppressive regimes control over the masses.

Last time I checked... the bulk of the casualties experienced by occupying forces were not the result of gunfire, but IEDs... which can be made from simple household materials. Just sayin'...

If there were some magical button that permanently destroyed all weaponry on Earth, I'd push it without hesitation. However, there is no such magical button. This means that no amount of laws will keep guns out of the wrong hands (military and criminals).

Since that is the case, I will always defend gun ownership in the US. This is not out of some "we need to defend ourselves from the gubmint" type mentality. It's because guns mean a lot more. Guns are tradition in this nation and a symbol of a line in the sand that says we are still free. It's a security blanket that is extremely important to many Americans that gives them confidence in our nation.

Take that away and you remove a significant cultural icon and a large portion of our patriotism.

take the state of Texas where nearly every family has minimal 3- guns, here we repsect our right to own arms and will not give them up. revolution yet anyone?

Posted without having read the text!!!! Shame on you.

AND....so what? The Constitution trumps any treaty!

Originally posted by Cuervo
If there were some magical button that permanently destroyed all weaponry on Earth, I'd push it without hesitation. However, there is no such magical button. This means that no amount of laws will keep guns out of the wrong hands (military and criminals).

Since that is the case, I will always defend gun ownership in the US. This is not out of some "we need to defend ourselves from the gubmint" type mentality. It's because guns mean a lot more. Guns are tradition in this nation and a symbol of a line in the sand that says we are still free. It's a security blanket that is extremely important to many Americans that gives them confidence in our nation.

Take that away and you remove a significant cultural icon and a large portion of our patriotism.

Hope you dont like beef. Ever been in a "beef plant"? They use a gun that shoots a blank to drive a spike into the beef's brain. Otherwise i agree. And im a gun collector.

Australia did not think it could happen there too but it did.
For those of you who voted for Obama I hope think twice next time before voting, if there is a next time that is.

Over my dead body will they take my guns.

They won't take your guns, just persuade a lot of people to turn in their guns, then tell on who owns guns, gold, anything else of value or deemed illegal in exchange for rations of food fuel or rent. They may even release a terrrible plague to get pople scared enough to get a vaccine. Part of getting the vaccine may be you turn in your guns and getting an implantible chip. They record the Names, SSN's and addresses of all those who buy guns in the US. Every quiry to the NCIC database is recorded and archived. They don't want your guns, they want YOU!

Make people scared enough to be unsecure, but not so much as to be desperate, and give said people an illusion of safety and security, and you can get them to serve you like a living god. Hitler did it, it worked quite well. Obama is following his methods like a script.

First of all, I think the title of this thread is somewhat misleading, as the final text of the treaty has not been released yet (so we have no idea if it would actually ban guns in the us). Also, I noticed some comments about people who are worried about being in a database with your guns registered... but it seems to me, that if you purchased your guns legally, then you already ARE in a database. At least, in my state that's how it works. You have to get a purchase permit or something like that (even for rifles). I'm sure they don't just throw those away. Now. With that said..

At first, I was going to make a post pointing out that this treaty deals with the buying/selling of weapons across borders (be it states, or other countries, whatever). BUT... then I did some more research. And the more I read, the more I can see where this treaty COULD leave room for abuse of 2nd amendment. Ultimately, it will depend on the exact wording of the document, in my opinion.

Then, I found this statement to the "preparatory committee' on the arms treaty from July of last year (2011). I was still not concerned too much about the treaty affecting us law abiding citizens very much... until I got to the last paragraph of this statement. In short, it says the most effective way to implement the treaty is to apply it domestically.

For it to be effective it should be simple, short and easy to implement. Domestic
implementation in accordance with national legislation and regulations in line with the
obligations that would arise from any possible ATT would be the most practical way to
address implementation.

That pretty much swayed me to the side of the fence that fears this treaty could be very dangerous indeed.

Source

There is one thing and aspect that many people tend to forget. A sitting president can not just push the USA into a treaty. It takes an act of congress, from both houses of congress. That means if it does not fly past either house, it does not become law nor have any affect on the country. So the President can sign anything he wants, but until it passes Congressional approval, it is just merely nothing more than a piece of paper with some ideas. Now if the congress were to approve this, then there would be grounds to be a bit worried.

I'll give the op my house if the banning of guns in the US ever takes place. Seriously......talk about total bull snip. I'm tired of this coming up every year, and nothing happens...

I think every law maker in the US knows that the majority of Americans will not give up the guns. Maybe Obama can dream about it but it won't happen. A civil war might though if it is attempted.

Originally posted by amongus
I'll give the op my house if the banning of guns in the US ever takes place. Seriously......talk about total bull snip. I'm tired of this coming up every year, and nothing happens...

More than once a year and for over a hundred years. People in the US do not have any real problems so they need to make them up.

Originally posted by phroziac

Originally posted by Cuervo
If there were some magical button that permanently destroyed all weaponry on Earth, I'd push it without hesitation. However, there is no such magical button. This means that no amount of laws will keep guns out of the wrong hands (military and criminals).

Since that is the case, I will always defend gun ownership in the US. This is not out of some "we need to defend ourselves from the gubmint" type mentality. It's because guns mean a lot more. Guns are tradition in this nation and a symbol of a line in the sand that says we are still free. It's a security blanket that is extremely important to many Americans that gives them confidence in our nation.

Take that away and you remove a significant cultural icon and a large portion of our patriotism.

Hope you dont like beef. Ever been in a "beef plant"? They use a gun that shoots a blank to drive a spike into the beef's brain. Otherwise i agree. And im a gun collector.

I'm one of those vegitarians (that's right, a gun-toting pinko liberal). Besides, there are much more humane ways to kill a cow.

Posted this story here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

With more information included the real goal that treaties like this one are really for.

They can sign the treaty and pass whatever legislation they want......I see absolutely no way they could get the guns out of the hands of Americans.


I wouldn't worry about it.

Right and if someone told the founding fathers they would have to wait 7 days before purchasing a handgun they would have laughed.

Complacency is why Americans end up having to wait before getting something they are constitutional have a right to, and why the current government tells you what kind of gun you can own,how many rounds it can hold, what it can look like to how many rounds it can fire.

So they already have the average john and jane doe citizen is caught between a rock and hard place the criminal is better armed, the cops are better armed, and there is the masses having to dial 9-11 to come save the day.

I can't stand the UN they need kicked out of this country, and the only goal of the ATT is to make dictators a shoe in because there is no one to fight,and if there is all the have is sticks and stones compared to that full auto equalizer.

Samuel colt said God create man the gun made them equal, and hw was right up until Governments and the UN, and man try to take that equality away from them so they can become God.

Originally posted by marg6043

Do not worry, only an amendment to the Constitution can take away the rights to arm and own weapons in the US.

No bills can do it.

No politic rat will even dare to bring the Constitution into the table for that.

Marg, there are already several U.S. states that either heavily restrict, or completely ban firearms such as New York and Illinois.

There are, and have been laws implemented which restrict firearms in the U.S.

Right now fully automatic weapons are banned except for some cases.

Originally posted by fixer1967
Australia did not think it could happen there too but it did.
For those of you who voted for Obama I hope think twice next time before voting, if there is a next time that is.

POOR, POOR Australia, I hear that Airsoft and BB guns were banned also!

Next they will ban pens, pencils, forks, shoes, and then eventually cut everyone hands off in Australia so that they wont "injure" themselves any more. DAMNED FOOLS they are to have allowed it!!!

And since their firearm ban, statistics show a WORST SITUATION over there as far as crime. Thats always the case every time, everywhere that a firearm ban occurs...

When will folks LEARN that gun-control only hurts the GOOD and decent people while giving ALL of the advantage to the THUGS and CRIMINALS of society whom will ALWAYS HAVE FIREARMS regardless of the law because they are CRIMINALS whom do not CARE ABOUT LAWS!!!!

Australia banning Airsoft and BB guns! DAMN FOOLS!!!!!

Here in TN I only have to wait maybe 5 minutes to buy a handgun. ^_^