NEW: ISS UFO Video (July)

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
reply to post by charlyv

 

You are wrong re the ISS...it's from STS 80 & these are not ice crystals!

The ice theory gets shot down by science. No small body of ice, let alone water can exist alone in space. If small bits of ice were floating about space, they should dissolve very quickly under intense, not mild, radiation & energy from the sun.

So what are these supposed "ice crystals" doing existing in space, & why are they not dissolving from our view in a matter of seconds as they should?

Science shows that the 'black body' steady state temperature of objects at Earth's distance from the Sun is somewhere below -5 degrees C, below the freezing point of H2O. It's why, for example, when power failed on the Salyut-7 space station in early 1985 [look it up to check my claim], the station's on-board water supply FROZE and had to be carefully thawed when a repair crew got on board a few months later [Soyuz T-13, June 6, 1985].

Free water ice in space will slowly sublime [evaporate directly] because of the absence of any air pressure, but even small particles can and do survive for hours, and larger pieces, longer. It's real science, not 'imaginary science'. It was seen all the time in space.

For somebody posing as a credible 'space observer' whose opinions and interpretations of what he sees on TV are supposed to deserve credence, this is just sad.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by JimOberg

 

...based on my own experience in Mission Control and in long discussions with folks who are understandably confused by these bizarre videos.

Thank you for that explanation. I have seen a lot of footage of this type of phenomenon and I agree with you about lighting, shadows, focus, tumbling objects (like ice from thruster cones and droplets of fuel) etc., etc. Mostly these objects have a steady track as well, only changing direction like when thrusters fire.

Having said that what does your valued experience tell you about the object that appears to stop and hover in one place? If you watch this YouTube of the same event, it goes on to say that even the astronaut zooms in on it as it gets further away. I believe and I debunk and I cannot explain this one... (at 4:00)

Over to you , over.

You & NASA can not explain this..but since I was the one (full disclosure Buzz..AKA Martyn Stubbs) who pulled it out of space via satellite originally, I will give it a try!

First, I am of the opinion that this sequence you posted during this thread, the STS-80 UFO circle formation over Africa, is of paramount significance, because it reveals to us intelligence, communication, timing, architecture & design. It is also important because it gives us, a clear distinction between markings (in the near-field focus) on the camera lens... when the camera moves from time to time, &... the real UFOs outside the shuttle & in the far distance. These glowing & pulsating UFOs are free of movements of the camera.

The UFOs, appearing as balls of light, gather in a circle steadily illuminating & appearing as glowing objects, gathering in the distance, in an apparent circle pattern. With precision & timing...the circle is completed. The UFOs light up as they reach their position. Then we see a transparent UFO...a 'dull glower', as it moves from it's foreground position to the distant circle & the UFO takes up a position in the center of the circle & then glows very brightly.

I agree with you..."floating debris" could not form this, nor could it stop, hold it's position & then illuminate!

Even stranger is NASA's lack of any commentary as they & the world watch it happen, live.

Your posted clip also included the materialization of a UFO in the 2nd half! Same STS-80 mission. Again the shuttle is over Africa. There is a thunder & lightning storm in progress. UFOs appear to gather above the storm, & they all travel at different speeds & some speed by in a streak of light.

They are clearly leaving Earth's atmosphere & escaping Earth's Gravity.This rules out meteors & rules in the fact that they must be using internal energy. Some UFOs shoot downward & into the clouds below! Meteors do not do this as they glide in on an angle relative to gravity.

Then suddenly a huge UFO manifests instantly. Amazingly, the NASA camera zooms out & pans to follow this new object! The sudden appearance of this disc shaped UFO suggests to me inter-dimensionality. We witness an inter-dimensional shift of a constructed spacecraft or a living entity. This is an amazing event to capture on video. & it also has never been explained by NASA.

Martyn, I've suggested that dots 'materializing' are nearby objects emerging from the shuttle's shadow. What is your response to that? What illumination conditions do you propose we are seeing in these scenes?

reply to post by buzzEmiller

You & NASA can not explain this..but since I was the one (full disclosure Buzz..AKA Martyn Stubbs) who pulled it out of space via satellite originally, I will give it a try!

Thank you for that reply. There is a lot going on in the video that I can and cannot determine. Like Jim Oberg said in an earlier reply, there is no concurrent record of the astronauts activities or the crafts position at the time. I wish there was. Would make certain things clearer. We are left with the purely visual interpretation. I have as good an imagination as the next person. Thanks again for the interpretation. I see some of that too (i think).

Originally posted by JimOberg
Martyn, I've suggested that dots 'materializing' are nearby objects emerging from the shuttle's shadow. What is your response to that? What illumination conditions do you propose we are seeing in these scenes?

I'm not Martyn but I thought I would answer part of that. Surely objects "light up" when they transit from shadow to direct sunlight. We can see them because the sun is behind us and light reflects back from the object into the view finder. If the object was between us and the sun, it would remain dark. Objects that "blink or pulsate" are simply bits of stuff tumbling in the vacuum of space. Some times the viewfinder is filled with these. Firing the thrusters can dislodge bits of ice from the craft. They appear to spread or drift in groups either together or in different directions.

This often gives the illusion that these unfocused, tumbling bits of jetsam are far away and of huge proportion when in fact they can be just a few inches or feet from the viewing port, drifting along with the shuttle and slowly changing perspective. Our perception can alter our understanding of this illusion.

I would also like to point out that none of the objects change direction abruptly either. They all drift along, some pulsing (tumbling). As the group of objects gets further away, it gets harder to detect movement which makes them appear to "hover". I can tell you from personal experience that when an unknown changes direction abruptly at speed, you know it. I don't see that here. Even the streaks that flash by are straight line. If they were to zig-zag or reverse direction suddenly that would be anomalous behavior.

This is a change of thinking from my earlier post on here, but time has elapsed and upon reviewing the footage again I saw it differently.

Originally posted by buzzEmiller

First, I am of the opinion that this sequence you posted during this thread, the STS-80 UFO circle formation over Africa, is of paramount significance, because it reveals to us intelligence, communication, timing, architecture & design. ... I agree with you..."floating debris" could not form this, nor could it stop, hold it's position & then illuminate! Even stranger is NASA's lack of any commentary as they & the world watch it happen, live.

Please explain, Martyn, your lack of commentary on the opinions expressed by two STS-80 crewmen, Story Musgrave and Tom Jones, that these scenes show ordinary behavior of common shuttle-generated stuff under unearthly lighting and dynamic conditions.

Why should anyone disregard the opinions of the witnesses [and experts], and accept your very different interpretation?

I see the proof that Aliens are visiting Earth are as convincing as ever.