NEW: ISS UFO Video (July)

To me it seems the footage with the thunders (wasn't it on a Space Shuttle mission in the early 90's??) is cut in into the footage of the ISS.

Originally posted by mainidh
Debris has no way to stop it's motion. Or appear out of no where and have speed and direction.

Well, actually it can. Now, you're right, when proponents of the UFO interpretation present their cases on youtube, they won't tell you how stuff in space really behaves, because probably they don't know -- and want to NOT know -- either.

'Appearing out of nowhere' is a common and explainable effect of lighting conditions in space.

It has to do with the way the shuttle and its camera are oriented, looking backwards in flight to observe lightning activity along the horizon. After sunrise, for a few minutes the Earth below is still in shadow, but the shuttle is bathed in sunlight. Any small stuff floating randomly nearby -- and there sometimes is LOTS of it -- that drifts away and emerges from the shuttle's shadow will become illuminated and seem to 'pop up' right in the middle of the camera's field of view. But since these scenes occur precisely during the brief post-sunrise shadowing period [as they do in this STS-80 clip], IF you can find out the lighting conditions, the sudden-appearances turn out to be a cause-and-effect of those conditions, not an extraordinary event.

That's why it's important to determine such illumination contexts of videos such as this. And why, perhaps, those who want people to see them as 'UFOs' refuse to provide that basic information.

It's just a matter of folks using earthbound visual processing algorithms that have evolved under one set of conditions for millions of years, and try to apply them to the absolutely unearthly new conditions encountered in spaceflight. They can be misleading.

It's why I've written up my "99 FAQs About 'Space UFOs'" [google it] on my home page, based on my own experience in Mission Control and in long discussions with folks who are understandably confused by these bizarre videos.

Originally posted by free_spirit
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

Astronaut Story Musgrave declared in several interviews he still doesn't know what this
white object was. There are hundreds of copies of this STS-80 UFO sequence in YouTube
check this one at min 1:59

There's got to be a better way to use search engines to locate updates and corrections to earlier comments, to prevent folks from being misled by obsolete information such as this, still out there on the internet -- but I can't figure out a way and am really open to helpful suggestions.

Musgrave, who was ambushed by one interview which withheld contextual data about the sequence from one of his own flights, did remark the video was striking but as I recall also said the dots looked like typical space scenes... and has been explicit in stating that of all the exotic unearthly stuff he's seen, or heard about other astronauts seeing, nothing looked to him like an indicator of ETI or other unknown phenomena. so far [he always was hoping].

Spaceshipmate Tom Jones from STS-80 also discussed this exact video on his own website.

Without reading what therse two on-site witnesses said when they had a chance to consider prosaic explanations, any conclusions can't be considered justified. And what they really said is rarely if ever disclosed by the UFO websites.

So we need to develop a better search strategy to make sure a balanced collection of testimony and research can be located -- and I still haven't been able to figure out such a method.

reply to post by CALGARIAN


That could be anything from an ice particle to out of focus reflective space junk.
When will somebody post a nice clear crisp image?

Then I'll be impressed

Mr StreetcRap and his bogus videos show their ugly face yet again.
Does this guy even know what he is looking at? The LASCO images prove the guy is a idiot without the first clue what he is looking at.

Cool video, shame its uploaded by such a hoaxer

Originally posted by CALGARIAN

Thought I'd share. IF not CGI, it's wild to say what it may be.

Sharing is fine, and always appreciated.

Your misrepresetnation of an OLD shuttle video as a NEW ISS video, however, is not appreciated.

It makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution.

What were you THINKING, if anything?

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by mainidh
Debris has no way to stop it's motion. Or appear out of no where and have speed and direction.

Well, actually it can. Now, you're right, when proponents of the UFO interpretation present their cases on youtube, they won't tell you how stuff in space really behaves, because probably they don't know -- and want to NOT know -- either.

'Appearing out of nowhere' is a common and explainable effect of lighting conditions in space.

It has to do with the way the shuttle and its camera are oriented, looking backwards in flight to observe lightning activity along the horizon. After sunrise, for a few minutes the Earth below is still in shadow, but the shuttle is bathed in sunlight. Any small stuff floating randomly nearby -- and there sometimes is LOTS of it -- that drifts away and emerges from the shuttle's shadow will become illuminated and seem to 'pop up' right in the middle of the camera's field of view. But since these scenes occur precisely during the brief post-sunrise shadowing period [as they do in this STS-80 clip], IF you can find out the lighting conditions, the sudden-appearances turn out to be a cause-and-effect of those conditions, not an extraordinary event.

That's why it's important to determine such illumination contexts of videos such as this. And why, perhaps, those who want people to see them as 'UFOs' refuse to provide that basic information.

It's just a matter of folks using earthbound visual processing algorithms that have evolved under one set of conditions for millions of years, and try to apply them to the absolutely unearthly new conditions encountered in spaceflight. They can be misleading.

It's why I've written up my "99 FAQs About 'Space UFOs'" [google it] on my home page, based on my own experience in Mission Control and in long discussions with folks who are understandably confused by these bizarre videos.

edit on 6-7-2012 by JimOberg because: mistyping...

Interesting how you ignored the first part. Space garbage can not stop moving and then start back up moving.

Samson1:

That could be anything from an ice particle to out of focus reflective space junk.
When will somebody post a nice clear crisp image?

Then I'll be impressed

Since when does Ice particles stop moving and then start back up moving?

If you refuse to acknowledge, for whatever reason, that those are crafts then don't even bother wasting yours and our time by saying its space garbage or ice particles.

Those crafts, whether they be piloted by humans or aliens, stop for some time and then continue moving again. The biggest disk looking crafts stops and then all these smaller crafts come to check it out, stop at some point (some stay stopped) and then continue on. When the biggest disk looking craft continues on it left something in its spot.

Originally posted by UdonNiedtuno

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by CALGARIAN

Thought I'd share. IF not CGI, it's wild to say what it may be.

Sharing is fine, and always appreciated.

Your misrepresetnation of an OLD shuttle video as a NEW ISS video, however, is not appreciated.

It makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution.

What were you THINKING, if anything?

if only we could all be 'Space Consultants' like you, then we would probably all THINK the right things all the time, right? a*hole

I agree, that is completely unnecessary to cut down someone because they made a mistake.
You are more part of the problem then the Original Poster because your comments might start a fight over the internet. Just because your life isn't great doesn't mean you need to make others feel bad in order to feel better about yourself.

I'm glad that this got posted, new or not, it shows crafts, piloted by human or alien.

If you're interested in understanding reality, you should have verifiable facts about events -- and if you don't want to be bothered by verifiable facts, you're free to believe anything you want, and feel smarter-than-everybody doing so. You're just living in a world of your own imagination.

The real world is much more wondrous, but it takes effort. Please consider it worth trying.

Make-believe isn't just pointless besides self-satisfaction, it often leads to useless, even harmful choices.

The OP's description of the video was untrue, it seems we all agree. Some people seem to find that entirely acceptable. OK.

Stuff in space behaves in unearthly ways. Why shouldn't it? Our recognition and interpretation reflexes are fine tuned to the environment we evolved in, and learned in. Just how far they can be trusted when basic principles change, as for the first time in three hundred million years of earth life we enter a new range of habitation, is a conceptual challenge that must be met, if we are to deal with the realities and promises of outer space.

But if our minds aren't up to it, and we stay stuck-in-the-mud mentally and physically, we'll never really 'see' what is being shown us. We won't even know what we're not seeing.

So it strikes me that people so trapped by the past, who claim to be open-minded and forward-looking, are behaving foolishly. And unproductively. And wasting the greatest conceptual advance any of us will ever be offered.

Just my opinion.

reply to post by JimOberg


if space junk is able to stop moving, sit perfectly still, lets say for 4minutes, and then start moving again, can you please provide articles that say this is so. I've been trying to find information on how space garbage moves and am not finding anything other then it's speed.

Wow, very nice video. Who knows what is going on up there, any ones guess. But the stopping and changing of direction / speed that these objects display, not only in this video, but others, lead me away from random space junk. How amazing it would be to be up there getting first hand experience of it all. I'd bet those guys/gals have some amazing stories.

Originally posted by knoledgeispower
reply to post by JimOberg

 

if space junk is able to stop moving, sit perfectly still, lets say for 4minutes, and then start moving again, can you please provide articles that say this is so. I've been trying to find information on how space garbage moves and am not finding anything other then it's speed.

This is the sort of stuff you 'learn by doing', and the 'flight procedures handbooks' for the NASA team at Mission Control explained a lot of it -- and I wrote them in the 1980s when I worked at the Rendezvous Guidance and Procedures Officer console. In the US Space Command book on 'Space Power Theory' [which was published in 1999 -- after I left NASA in 1997, I wrote that too] there is a special chapter on 'Orbitology'.

But because it became clear to me that there really WASN'T any documentation of these bizarre unearthly features of spaceflight for the general public, based on several years of heart-to-heart and head-to-head and toe-to-toe discussions hereabouts, I compiled my "99 FAQs About 'Space UFOs'" and posted it on my home page, which I'm advised not to advertise -- but you can track it down.

It's not an easy read and some explanations need clarifying and additional FAQs need drafting [suggestions solicited], but it's my first effort. Please check it out to see if it's helpful.

One surprirse: I'm convinced watching for strange stuff IS important. And also, I don't think ANY of it is 'space junk' in the common usage of that term.

Here's a lot of the technical 'space rendezvous' stuff.

www.jamesoberg.com...

Originally posted by knoledgeispower

Wow!! Any one who says that is space garbage or satellites is obviously refusing to admit that those are crafts.

Even if there is not a mundame explanation that doesn't justify jumping to the ET hypothesis. They are more likely to be souls or spirits or something mystical like that than craft from another planet.

Here is another video of an 'alien' from the International Space Station. I originally uploaded the full video to show the capsule landing as recorded by Russia Today, but a comment pointed out this weird figure, so I edited it (not the figure), and re-uploaded the video.
There are a lot of strange things going on around the ISS, it will be interesting to see weather space tourism takes off and we can see for ourselves. Or will it be forever delayed?

Originally posted by TheMoonCheese
Here is another video of an 'alien' from the International Space Station. I originally uploaded the full video to show the capsule landing as recorded by Russia Today, but a comment pointed out this weird figure, so I edited it (not the figure), and re-uploaded the video.
There are a lot of strange things going on around the ISS, it will be interesting to see weather space tourism takes off and we can see for ourselves. Or will it be forever delayed?

Bob Bigelow has already orbited two prototype hotel modules and he insisted they have external TV cameras. They watched the space around the 'Genesis' satellites for years. Do you think HE would ever withhold any evidence of alien visitors?

Interesting video. Why can't it be a shadow of a recovery aircraft? And isn't it apparently moving in the wind direction -- could it be a puff of smoke from a truck or chopper just off camera left?

reply to post by JimOberg


Logically you have to lean to the more mundane for answers, but I think it is an interesting clip. The original video cut off abruptly which was a shame, but it does seem to show a humanoid figure.
I have the full original footage, and a helicopter does land, so maybe you are right.

Originally posted by BlueMule

Originally posted by knoledgeispower

Wow!! Any one who says that is space garbage or satellites is obviously refusing to admit that those are crafts.

Even if there is not a mundame explanation that doesn't justify jumping to the ET hypothesis. They are more likely to be souls or spirits or something mystical like that than craft from another planet.

Let me explain a part of what I believe about ET's.
I believe that ET's are spirits/energy/souls. I believe that in order to reach the highest form of purity/nirvana each soul/energy has to go through learning stages. Each learning stage takes place on either planets, stars or in space and you can be in any vessel ranging from a dog on Earth to "alien" on Mars, it's all dependent on what you need to learn

reply to post by JimOberg

...based on my own experience in Mission Control and in long discussions with folks who are understandably confused by these bizarre videos.

Thank you for that explanation. I have seen a lot of footage of this type of phenomenon and I agree with you about lighting, shadows, focus, tumbling objects (like ice from thruster cones and droplets of fuel) etc., etc. Mostly these objects have a steady track as well, only changing direction like when thrusters fire.

Having said that what does your valued experience tell you about the object that appears to stop and hover in one place? If you watch this YouTube of the same event, it goes on to say that even the astronaut zooms in on it as it gets further away. I believe and I debunk and I cannot explain this one... (at 4:00)

Over to you , over.