Homeland Security Report Lists ‘Liberty Lovers’ As Terrorists

reply to post by grimreaper797

Action is different than violence

not always as the Civil Rights era firmly confirms.

i'm not getting into that discussion in this thread as it doesn't belong. however, we would disagree.
he did not advocate violence but he certainly participated.

The south was most certainly a "nation".

and when would that be exactly, under the Confederation, the Constitution or in the days of the conquistadors?

While it was never formally recognized as such, it had a federal government, president, capitol, and the only reason it never got officially recognized and supported was politics

really ??? got any links for that malarkey ??

They put down an uprising as far as they were all concerned

yes, 8 of 13 states seceding from this "union" of bankers utopia, sure, that'd be an "uprising".
as for a separate government ?? state by state perhaps but no different than today.

my version of history is clearly wider than yours.
thing is, i was taught northern aggression, i absorbed southern culture and began reading the words of those who participated, not of those who wrote the storybook tales taught in public school.
perhaps you should consider similar?

psssst here's a tip: the Articles of Confederation were not just a southern thing and they existed long before the Civil War.

According to this, I am a threat to national security. And my teachers said I would never amount to anything. Look who's laughing now!

reply to post by Screwed


Oh my word! You made me lose my coffee, that is priceless

I knew it was only a matter of time before they actually stripped liberty from the land of the free.

Heil Obama.

Its good to know that the government i pay taxes to thinks Im a threat to national security. That makes me feel very secure.

I had my doubts about FEMA camps.... But now I am seriously starting to reconsider.

Originally posted by grimreaper797
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

 

Yes, when you take a combination of those idea, those groups are at increased likelyhood for radicalization and extremism, that makes them "suspect". This report was about warning signs and things to look out for as an agent. They are not saying "if you believe in this, your ARE a terrorist". They are saying though, that these groups should be watched carefully, and I don't necessarily disagree that such groups do pose a higher risk of danger, as all radical groups do.

Next, what you're talking about, while you may see it as "what the founders intended" and "our rights as citizens" it is still without a doubt terrorism. Anytime you're going to use violence to force your political beliefs on the country, that is terrorism. Those government officials, those who work for them, and those who protect them from physical danger, would all be the victims of terrorism. You can see it however you like, but violence against people to effect political change is essentially the very definition of terrorism.

Thank you for your answer/opinion. So, terrorism is legal it seems according to the US Constitution. Sure we can still call it terrorism and happily be the terrorists if we are following the Constitution to overthrow the Government.- whats funny is they will still seek to jail us for doing whats right and just and true.

Originally posted by ScatterBrain

According to this, I am a threat to national security. And my teachers said I would never amount to anything. Look who's laughing now!

reply to post by Screwed

 

Oh my word! You made me lose my coffee, that is priceless

It's not funny. The people who hold extreme right wing ideologies are dangerous to the rest of the public. If I had my way you all would be living on a reservation somewhere out in the middle of the Nevada desert eating MREs and living in trailer homes with 24 hour severance wearing electronic monitoring devices.

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
I knew it was only a matter of time before they actually stripped liberty from the land of the free.

Heil Obama.

Its good to know that the government i pay taxes to thinks Im a threat to national security. That makes me feel very secure.

I had my doubts about FEMA camps.... But now I am seriously starting to reconsider.

FEMA camps would be for legitimate displaced people. Your ilk would be detained on reservations and sterilized for the public good.

The US Patriot Act dissolved government by the people for the people! The people are now suspect! The people are purported terrorist! There are drones actually flying over us here just like in Iraq Pakistan and Africa! Forty one percent of the activity you see today is social welfare, yes forty one percent of everything you are seeing, freeway traffic, consumers in the mall, stores, shopping centers, grocery stores so forth and so on! The government bureaucrats responded to the movement of succession by twenty two states by making the population reliant on them. Total fabrication of truths to compel the helpless into submission! Don't be surprised if the succeeding states are nuked by this carpet bagger of government we have! The TV series "Jericho" may actually come into being a reality show!

So it seems I am once again on a list with the goverment. Its sad to think that just because you use cash your on a list, if you want to fly in a plane across your own country you have to submit to a grope down or risk your health in a scan. Just the other day I saw on the news that they were going to make it easier for people in other countries to come here to increase our tourism but everyday they make it harder for us here in our own country to travel in it. You know what other list they can put me on? The list of Americans trying to find a new country to call home.

Originally posted by mee30
Wait but liberty means freedom, right? So if you love freedom you are a terrorist? But I thought terrorists hated us because we are free? So how does that work?

My head is spinning just thinking about that!

edit on 4-7-2012 by mee30 because: just noticed i put freeman when i menat freedom lol

Thats the idea, its called 'double speak'.

reply to post by v1rtu0s0
This crap started when the first Gulf War kicked off and the GOP started selling the fact that anyone who disagreed with Bush Sr. was "unpatriotic" .. Bush Jr. the said "You are either with me or against me.." Sean Hannity and his band of GOP HOMERS did a benefit concert every weekend for the "troops" when Bush was in power, but stopped when the dems got the white house. The GOP has used the wars in the middle east to justify running up HUGE budget deficits and then they say that they are for "spending cuts.." like haliburton fuel ad food price gouging on our troops.. On a "no-bid" contract too for goodness sake..! The tea party has used the "patriotism" monacre to call our president every name in the book, and dis our troops. Read Drudge and then read Al Jazeera... the difference is Al Jazeera is more respectful of the US than the GOP is BY FAR!!!!! We vets (I was in the first Gulf War) are FINISHED with being used like a political football by the GOP... Dems won the White House.. I am gonna be as respectful to President Obama ...BTW not just "obama".. as I was to Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr. The KKK used the same tactics to rise to power in the 1800's .. "patriotism.."

Originally posted by jenlovesturtles
So it seems I am once again on a list with the goverment. Its sad to think that just because you use cash your on a list, if you want to fly in a plane across your own country you have to submit to a grope down or risk your health in a scan. Just the other day I saw on the news that they were going to make it easier for people in other countries to come here to increase our tourism but everyday they make it harder for us here in our own country to travel in it. You know what other list they can put me on? The list of Americans trying to find a new country to call home.

Just this week I read an article that said that the KKK is holding a "whites-only patritic citizens cross burning rally" myfox8.com/.../kkk-cross-burning-promoted-on-fliers-in-reidsville

Not exactly helping your "just lay off we're only a bunch of innocent patriots " message

reply to post by grimreaper797


What acts of terrorism?

Killing entire villages with drone attacks or waging offensive wars for no reason at all.

So if we all say we are scared of Homeland Security they must investigate themselves.

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
It's not funny. The people who hold extreme right wing ideologies are dangerous to the rest of the public. If I had my way you all would be living on a reservation somewhere out in the middle of the Nevada desert eating MREs and living in trailer homes with 24 hour severance wearing electronic monitoring devices.

I see that you speak thusly because you have already been punished enough and are already ensconced in your left wing run utopia of Detroit.

Please let us know how the lefts ideology has positively impacted life in the motor city. I hear its quite the utopia for the unemployed, the education system is top notch as well although no one actually uses it, the gangs run the streets and the government services are the pinnacle of entitlement.

Businesses all left because of all the regulatory nonsense and high taxes then there was no more....I think they finally ran out of other people's money as all left wing organizations do.

It has been run into the ground by a series of PC, leftie governments for more than 50 years - now it looks like Afghanistan and some parts are less safe and just a broke.

Originally posted by CarpeLibertas
One man's terrorist is another man's Freedom Fighter.

Not always... There have been plenty of murderers who were not freedom fighters, yet ignorance of the ACTIONS of such murderers have led many to BELIEVE they were freedom fighters.

See, you are falling in the same trap as the people who made the research on terrorism... These researchers are trying to imply that certain thoughts/ideologies makes people possible terrorists, and you think that certain thoughts make some people freedom fighters, yet it is ACTION which defines a person... Not his/her thoughts...

For example.

Some people have fallen in love with SOME of the writtings of Che Guevara believing him to be a hero and to be for the people, yet he murdered innocent people not only for ideology, but for wanting freedom from socialist idology, and even murdered people because he thought that person was a threat to "the revolution"...

There are also many writtings Che Guevara left in his diaries which should show everyone how dark his soul was, and that he was nothing but another despotic murderer, working for yet another despotic murderer...

Yet, even for some people, after finding out the truth about "Che Guevara", they would still claim he was a freedom fighter...

Even in the face of facts some people just want to "believe" they are right...

These researchers believe they are right, and even though they have published counter-arguments claiming they are not targeting anyone for their ideology, in fact their research does imply that ideology can make people into terrorists...

This would go very well with Obama's "indefinite detention"...



The fact that Obama has made public that he wanted/wants to make it legal to detain and incarcerate people just for what could be their intentions, and even if they haven't committed any crimes, and even if there is no proof of wanting to commit a crime... Such people will have no rights, they won't have a right to a lawyer, they won't be able to make a call, or have the miranda rights or any other right, and they will be incarcerated for as long as Obama, or whoever is in charge wants...

This clearly is to incarcerate people for their ideology, for the CHANGES that Obama and those working for him, and with him have been bringing to the Republic of the United States... So that if people rise against the SOCIALIST/FASCIST state/government that is being implemented, those people can be incarcerated as an example to others...

Where has the "Occupy" movement been protesting about this?...

Why aren't there millions of Americans in each city out in the streets protesting all of this?...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


You are correct. The contras come to mind. Terrorists guised as freedom fighters.

reply to post by v1rtu0s0


This would be laughable if it weren't so criminal.

And here I was wondering what lengths they'd go to next to defend their crimes against humanity, their raping of 'freedom, liberty and justice for all'.

Guess I have my answer.

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
You are correct. The contras come to mind. Terrorists guised as freedom fighters.

edit on 18-7-2012 by BIHOTZ because: (no reason given)

Yep, exactly.

Who is up for suing these people for "implying" these things?

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool

Originally posted by ScatterBrain

According to this, I am a threat to national security. And my teachers said I would never amount to anything. Look who's laughing now!

reply to post by Screwed

 

Oh my word! You made me lose my coffee, that is priceless

It's not funny. The people who hold extreme right wing ideologies are dangerous to the rest of the public. If I had my way you all would be living on a reservation somewhere out in the middle of the Nevada desert eating MREs and living in trailer homes with 24 hour severance wearing electronic monitoring devices.

You're right it's not FUNNY!!!! People like you thinking that people should be segregated and constantly monitored because they don't agree with you is not funny at all....

Jaden